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I didn't know JR and King were calling us in the audience idiots on the ppv show? Come on now! We paid their salary for the bonuses for ppv shows sunday night. Making fun of your audience is not too much of a smart business move. Doing this only makes things get worse for the next time they tour here. Yeah, I think they are laughing all the way to the bank with that sell out crowd which some paid up to $500 for ringside scalper tickets(yes, people forget that there were fans that came worldwide to this event too). I think they have forgotten or don't care about the crowd response today. Vince has booked Canada as heels and a heel country since 1997. Anyways, I don't think it had anything to do with raw's audience, so why is there still be a big deal about this?

I see the points everyone is making here, but I think we should let this play out first. It does seem like a start and it is different to any angle they used in this manner of breaking up a faction. Don't we always complain that they don't try to use new material? The slow build might have been good, but it might have been predictable and not get people talking either. I think too many are basing this angle on the rumour that it will headline Mania 21. Suppose that is NOT the plan and the wwe threw it out there for mis-direction? I also don't think it's too much hotshotting when you look at the details so far. Triple H simply could not beat Benoit in triple threat matches, ironman matches, and straight up matches(where he devised a plan by trying to use a retard to help him win). Orton out of nowhere through a battle royal gets the lucky title shot and goes on to win the title from the man Triple H couldn't beat. When you look at it how else would Orton get a title shot over his leader without taking over the group? I believe the wwe has planned Triple H being heel all along. Triple H's promo about Flair becoming champion at age 31 or something is also a detail on why Flair would turn on Orton. Trips even stated that Batista would die for a title shot. This thing HAS been built up. Just not the way we might have expected. Another thing to consider maybe they have a timeline where Triple H is out making his movie too that we don't know about.

Well, there are some fans who think Orton will grovel to Evolution and be a chickenshit heel champion, but I doubt it as there's little chance Triple H will walk around playing second fiddle without his title.

All Vince has to do is bring back the wwf for one of the brands and use wwe for the other. WWE for smackdown and wwf for raw.

I thought the same thing.

Realistically it does make more sense for Triple H to attack Orton sooner than later. If we want some consistency how would someone like Triple H who is an ass against retards and a championship monger to suddenly play second fiddle to someone he can claim he groomed wearing HIS title?

I don't think Orton/HHH is going to be happening at Mania 21 myself. The latest I see their match is Royal Rumble. Those rumours seemed to be too well placed and the wwe giving us that turn last night makes me think they have done a good job swerving "know it all fans" and shaking things up for the casuals. I think it will headline Survivor Series and then perhaps Royal Rumble. In the meantime there might be some triple threat match this month and then something gimmicky at Taboo Tuesday.

Well, to those who say Toronto doesn't respect the wwe how many cities give the wwe front page news and weekly columns in their mainstream media? How about having wrestling hotlines from the sports department from one of the top newspaper cicrulations in the nation? I still want to refer to this thread(along with others with this content) and its comments for when people complain about certain stuff. Just reverse all the complaints on us smarks every week. I also think this thing is being overblown. I suppose some have never heard about Nights at the Apollo where fans boo and cheer the best acts and the worst acts get the hook. It does happen in other forms of entertainment and it does happen in sports. So, why shouldn't it happen in SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT?

Thats the American way I can't hate on that and I thought HBK had Vince by the balls in the mid 90's. Triple H took it to unprecedented levels. Kudos to him for that for real.

He is a model "player" every playboy should mold themselves after. He gets with the boss' wife. He marries into an empire. He becomes the father's best son. He will take over a multi-million dollar corporation. Everyone be like Haitch

Yeah, I understand how the wwe can think that It's the same brass that thought this week's ratings didn't make sense. It might not be the fans booing the characters they thought sucked or were stale and cheering who they wanted to. BTW, there was a scant benoit sucks chant, yet the internet makes it seem like it was half the arena. The crowd was mixed and I still say if it wasn't Benoit in there Orton would have been the clear face. I would have loved to see the wwe make this logic during Austin's rise to the top. He's a bad guy they are suppose to boo. It's the fans fault. I still think this thing is getting way too much attention than warranted. Let's see how the crowd reacts tonight and when they go back to the States to see if Torono spawned an evil seed upon wrestling fans like the WHAT chant.

I think some are getting that the "You Screwed Bret" chants aren't really about Bret per se. It's just something Canadian to chant like the US fans chanting USA everytime an American faces off against an "evil" foreign wrestler. Seriously, isn't it kind of obvious? It also has to do with letting the wwe not forget and I'm sure if Bret ever returned the chants won't really be around much anymore.

I thought it was interesting to see Cena and Orton cross paths. Maybe they are slow burning these two like they did with Lesnar/Goldberg for something. If there was any merit to Trips/Lesnar champ vs. champ scenario maybe the wwe will pit Cena as wwe champ against Orton World champ. I doubt it very much though.

I think the wwe might acknowledge this as weren't there rumours about the agents trying to get the wrestlers to be more on tap with the crowd reactions at house shows and work with the audience? I admit there needs to be some variety and tonight was not as bad as the smackdown taping I went to where most of the stuff seemed robotic.

I don't know about that. I am sure if the ratings fell shaply to near or below 2.0, or there was barely 500 people in the audience for a major show, then Vince would probably care. The ratings are dipping and there have been cancellations for some house shows. There have been house shows that have attracted people in the hundreds(not thousands, HUNDREDS). Maybe having a crowd like tonight will help send another message.

I say the wwe might want to worry about Los Angeles and WrestleMania which traditionally is a crowd that doesn't give the best of reactions. It's funny as Vince has brought the event to the city about 4 times or in close proximity to the region. How was that crowd for the last ppv there a couple of months back? It wasn't blackballed from future events as some here are saying that should happen to Toronto. I still say a crowd being this vocal towards matches and hissing or cheering is a better guage to know what to change than having no fans come out to give no reaction at all. The deadly sin in pro wrestling is no response of any kind. When that happens you can't feed off what to do and what not to do.

If I recall correctly when Hogan left Canada he was getting cheers in the United States too. I think this might be Vince's master plan to divide the smarks and marks alike into hating each other instead of hating the product

I'm going to have to second bob_barron. I went to the smackdown television taping this year that had Booker/UT as the main event. I will say that crowd was a totally different crowd than tonight. That crowd had the traditional wwe sheep(it was half the arena and I'm sure that some of these fans tonight bought summerslam tickets who did not attend that show based off it being summerslam). That is why I stated that this crowd could be just have been pissy towards what they got for SummerSlam. There's no denying some things they shat on before giving it a chance, but I think it's because they just did not expect to get what was given. Who really thought JBL would be wwe champion defending the title? I don't see how fans should get the blame. I also don't think the crowd was really ever dead silent. That is how it came off on television because the wwe dumbed down the crowd noise(was reported by Meltzer on LAW).

I don't think tonight was worse than the peak of "WHAT" chants. Now that was more disrespectful especially during national anthems. Seriously, if we take all the crap the wwe has thrown at fans over the years I don't see how one night everyone should be against fans who went against the wwe plans. How respectful were they with crap like Katie Vick and Paul Bearer dying to their viewers insulting their intelligence? I think it's about time the wwe got a reality check. I know the ppv wasn't a bad ppv, but having not a bad ppv for the second most expensive ppv show of the year isn't exactly a good thing for business now is it?

Hmmm....I think I have fell into the head office of wwe. I now know how the wwe responds to us internet smarks on the net. This place is bizarro world tonight too

The wwe main shows get their lowest ratings in MONTHS leading into the second biggest show of the year. The crowd shits on the ppv show. Yep, blame Canada The wwe divas lose in a shoot supposedly to non-athletic bimbos. Eugene is a character that tries to get cheap pops by acting like Hulk Hogan, The Rock, and Steve Austin. I'm not condoning the entire shitting on the ppv, but please there were things that deserved it. Maybe we are a test market with what the masses emotions are towrds the current product. Then again, maybe the crowd was just ass-holes. Either way I don't see the big deal unless this behaviour starts to spread to all the shows which I doubt.

Meltzer says the dodgeball stuff was actually a shoot? HA HA! The wwe divas losing to non-athletic bimbos. Great for the image Vince.

Yo, who brought the "Lita is a Dumas" sign? It was just brought up on LAW as one of the funniest signs of the night. There was a Jake the Snake's my dad sign.

I'm not listening to LAW over the net. I'm listening to it on sports radio up in Toronto(you can see how Toronto can be jaded with stuff like this?). Anyways, I just heard that both Jericho and Edge complained to the radio personalities that they HATE to do triple threat matches. Some people were saying Eugene was getting booed because he was acting like a poor man's Hulk Hogan, The Rock, and Steve Austin. Maybe the crowd just doesn't like Eugene's short sighted gig. It's also said the crowd was split with Orton/Benoit and that Orton probably would have got a stronger face reaction if he went against someone other than Benoit. Oh yeah no one mentioned that fan running across the top of the limo and splitting the roof. Anyone who taped watch the Taker spot again and see JBL looking at the roof. You know what's funny. Earlier this week when the lowest rating in MONTHS for raw was reported the wwe alledgedly said that the rating did not make sense. Then when smackdown came in under a 3.0 rating this week(lowest rating ever perhaps for the show) I suppose the fans were shitting on the product too. I think tonight's crowd was really different from the crowd at the smackdown tv taping earlier as that was a buch of sheep(half the arena and nowhere close to capacity for that taping). I think this crowd was perhaps the fans who have been disappointed for the most part with the product. I mean really this thing sold out before any match was billed.

Come on where's the love for my city? The crowd was really brutal tonight, but I think overall the crowd was shitting on the things that have been stupid or stale for the most part for the summer. BTW, the crowd wasn't booing Eddie, but just cheering Angle. This is the same crowd that was into Eddie last year because he was hot. He isn't hot the way the wwe has pushed him. Honestly, I think this crowd is a wake up call for Vince Mcmahon. Toronto doesn't suck as this city historically helped build the wwe during the expansion years. I would think the wwe would take notice that maybe this was a smarter crowd trying to tell them something about their product. I don't think anyone can say that there was actually anything great on this show. If you are getting this kind of response in Toronto something is seriously wrong. Trips/Jericho wasn't dead because of Toronto. It was dead because the booking sucked and so did the match. With all this said, the crowd did kind of go overboard with the rebellion. I'm listening to the LAW right now and I want to see what other fans are going to say about the show on the radio.