Vasarian_Brandy

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You're also talking about the bye-gone era where any starter that didn't throw 8+ wasn't worth the cup of coffee the team was paying him. I can understand you point... But yes, I am talking about recent era (AKA within the 28 years I've been alive)

Misconception: The '97 World Series... Game 7... Jose Mesa did blow the save, and starter Charlie Nagy did take the loss in relief, costing the Cleveland Indians their first World Championship since 1948. Fact: 1) Jose Mesa wasn't a big saves guy in 1997. While we could've hoped to get the "Joe Table" of '95, the reality of the situation was that Jose Mesa was (we thought) on a decline. 2) The success of starters coming out of the bullpen in pressure situations is spotty at best. We know that those of the ilk of one future HOFer but the name of Randy Johnson could probably pitch whenever, wherever... The likes of a Charles Nagy, whose last (and only) bullpen appearance in his career (to that point) was in his ROOKIE SEASON, 7 seasons before! Frankly we shouldn't have expected major results from him. Reality: These 2 pitchers didn't pitch bad, considering the situations they were placed in. And given an extra inning or two, the Indians offense (while not as potent as the '95 version) would have brought them back in the extra frames. The real 'goat' of the game was one Tony Fernandez, second baseman for the Cleveland Indians. In the 11th inning, with one out and a none-too-speedy Bobby Bonilla on first, a ball hit by Craig Counsell absolutely ate Fernandez up... And rather than the inning-ending double play, or even the force at first... Counsell wound up on first, Bobby Bo on third. Mike Hargrove was forced to call for the intentional walk to try again for the double play, and Nagy pitched from high pressure from then on. Counsell finally comes around to score and that, as they say, is that. Just my opinion.

The Ravens are actually more of an expansion team than the "Expansion Era" Browns are. Cleveland kept all the history, colors, etc. Basically their history just has a gap.

You and me both, friend... I might be a West-Coaster due to my work, but my heart and soul still bleed that Cleveland Sports "black and blue".

They were playing the same team that found a way to pull this off.

(See also in the WTF Dictionary "The '97 Indians choke in the 9th of Game 7 of the World Series")

Hey... Don't care if it'll take some time... Just glad it's still around.

(Is still in existence...)

(Laugh) Wow... Go me with the strikeouts thing.

Sorry, guys, sorry... Haven't been getting updates. SPRING TRAINING for Christian Fury 20 Points to divide among four categories. For batters: Contact Hitting 7 Power Hitting 6 Strike Zone Judgment 5 Defense 2

I personally have to go with the Oilers era... Edmonton got me into hockey. And Gretzsky's a fucking God.

While I know there's buku amounts of history and 'mystique' around this place... It sounds to me like the place was named when someone was (ahem) "recovering" from a night of partying on campus. "So... What do you think we should call this arena we've built?" (guy hovering over a toilet) "I think... I think we should call it... Uh... RRRRRUUUUUPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!" "Hmm... Rupp Arena... Nice touch... Rolls off the tongue..." Sorry, that was classless, wasn't it? (Shrug) Ah well.

Kenny Mayne is stupidly funny sometimes. The bits with the kid Yankee fans was cute though. the cut of him 'crying' at their stories was a bit much though.

I'm from Cleveland, and I couldn't disagree more... Like another poster said... Well... The nickname a lot of folks have for the place -is- a VD... But that was back when the Cavs sucked. Anyway... For worst names... Whatever they renamed Candlestick / 3Com... What the Hell is it now: Monster Park??? That's fucking lame. Just name it Loser Field. Tropicana Field is bad. SBC Park is kinda blah. The Cleveland Cavs' old home, the Richfield Coliseum, was cool. Very simple and effective... And the place was just awesome. And if you "old-time" Clevelanders are out there, you'll remember this one: Thurman Munson Memorial Stadium. My 1/50th of a dollar.

Well, this is the year that Dolan and Shapiro said the Tribe would be back to playoff strength when they claimed ownership / GM status of the team from Hart / et. al... Considering the run the Tribe made last year and the fact we're getting a few more key pieces like Millwood and Gonzalez... Dolan did tell the people of Cleveland that he would open the purses a bit more when he saw need. We were close last year. And I'm sure Millwood and Juan-Gone didn't call cheap. I'm not calling Dolan a great owner... I'm just reserving my judgement for the end of the season.

no Basically all I was trying to say is that anything can happen to anyone at any given time. So maybe not everyone's a high-risk, but there's always the chance.

I love "The Human Rain Delay", but he was also just called "Grover". A little Cleveland flavor: "The Thomeinator" Jim Thome "Baby Bull" - Manny Ramirez Albert "Don't Call Me Joey" Belle "El Presidente" - Dennis Martinez "The Bulldog" Orel Hersheiser "The Game" Milton Bradley (though that's just false advertising...) And the coolest name that's not a nickname... Coco Crisp! In the catergory of "I'm surprised these haven't been mentioned yet": "The Wizard of Oz" Ozzie Smith "Super Joe" Charbeneau "The Yankee Clipper" Joe DiMaggio (Or "Joltin' Joe") There's several more, but here's a couple cool links I found courtesy of the Baseball Almanac: Best Nicknames in Baseball History by ESPN on Baseball Almanac Hall of Fame Full Names & Nicknames by Baseball Almanac

It was Cleveland. And yes it was a big game. In Cleveland's mind, at least.

I'd love to see someone have an extended hitting streak (30+) batting .250 or below on the year. Could someone like that be defined as a 'clutch hitter' you think?

I don't think the word "worthless" belongs besides Jaret Wright, either. High-risk? Maybe not by a pure performance standpoint. Injury-wise? Isn't everyone a high-risk? As an Indians fan, I can tell you that Wright had -major- upside when he was pitching with us his first year. Yes, he did fall off, but look at his last season: 15-8 and a 3.28 ERA with the Braves in 32 starts. He threw 186 and a third, which was the most he's thrown since his sophomore season with the Indians. He gave up less hits than innings pitched (168), he didn't give up that many taters (11), and his Ks to walks ratio is not that bad (159 K / 70 BB). Jaret Wright will be a high-quality, though not superstar, pitcher that can be servicable for several more years. ...Too bad he's with the Yanks. :|

That picture = teh r0><0rz Go fig... Both guys could also have cases made for them to be signature players for the Tribe. LeBron is a stellar player, and will one day be a 'signature' player. Yes, he's the most recognizable name in Cleveland sports today. But people like Ehlo and Price had that something... I guess imperceivable... That comes with time in the sport. LeBron will find that, and he will be a signature player.

That would surprise me. From what I heard, the Kardiac Kids got a lot of pub in the day, and considering Sipe was the 'ringleader'... But, you could be right. Kosar I think would be the top name in recent Browns history, and quickly catching up to Jim Brown. At least in my eyes.

Eh... I could definitely see that one, but I think his 'credibility' might be declining over the years. My personal Cleveland picks: Browns - Brian Sipe (Kardiac Kids. Nuff said.) Bernie Kosar (Probably the best QB outside of Sipe the Brownies have seen.) John Elway (For all the wrong reasons, of course...) Indians - Herb Score (An up-and-comer whose career was cut short, yet remained a major influence on the team as a broadcaster.) Bob Feller (Best pitcher... Ever.) Len Barker (Probably my earliest childhood memory.) Jose Mesa & Charlie Nagy (1997... World Series... Game 7...) Jim Thome (The most likable hitter one could ever hope to know... Sadly, I don't.) Cavaliers - Brad Daugherty, Larry Nance, & Mark Price (The core of the Cavs in the late 80's & early 90's... A fantastic trio that I think really defined the team game.) Michael Jordan (He could probably be on many teams' lists for "All-time Dubious Player", but...)

Sooooo... What we got, hmm?