Big Ol' Smitty

Okay my bad! Forgot about New Mexico and Iowa! Red states also have higher divorce rates and more murder. Those moral values in full effect.

Do you want to go into the fucking "Let's secede!" morons who populate YOUR side? How about the "No Blood for Oil" idiots? I can go on and on if you'd like about this, because liberals are an endless source of mockable people. -=Mike I've been trying to calm the crazy liberals on campus down this week. The whole "AMERICA IS DEAD THE SKY IS FALLING LET'S THROW BUSH OUT HE'S EVIL" crowd of raving lunatics. It's getting exhausting. Maybe we should let them secede, and stuff them all into one state where they can walk around being indecisive about important things and chalking it up to "being educated," and then say that Marilyn Manson is the smartest musician of all time. Hell, let them secede. We know which part of the country actually provides the troops and which side doesn't. Whooping that whipped part of the country wouldn't be too hard. -=Mike This conservative columnist says 53% of Iraq casualties have come from red states and 47% from blue states. http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/bowyer/041101 This articles says that red states pay far less in taxes than they receive in government subsidies, blue states pay far more. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/07/opinion/...nt&position=top I thought libs were gung-ho about income redistribution. You know, the rich paying their "fair share" -=Mike Well, you were the one bragging about "whipping" the blue states. God I feel stupid arguing about this but... The blue states would have half the troops. Most of the money. And probably the support of the entire world; except, maybe...POLAND! I FORGOT POLAND!

You mean coveting is not against the law? Shit! I could have been running around coveting things this whole time!

Linguo IS dead.

You knew someone here was going to go down this road, and I'm not really surprised to see it was INXS. Personally, I almost want Arafat to be buried in Jerusalem, just so that every single day a Jewish citizen can come by at their leisure and take a nice, big shit on the fucker's grave. I know I would. Oooh grave defacation...that's a new one around here.

Do you want to go into the fucking "Let's secede!" morons who populate YOUR side? How about the "No Blood for Oil" idiots? I can go on and on if you'd like about this, because liberals are an endless source of mockable people. -=Mike I've been trying to calm the crazy liberals on campus down this week. The whole "AMERICA IS DEAD THE SKY IS FALLING LET'S THROW BUSH OUT HE'S EVIL" crowd of raving lunatics. It's getting exhausting. Maybe we should let them secede, and stuff them all into one state where they can walk around being indecisive about important things and chalking it up to "being educated," and then say that Marilyn Manson is the smartest musician of all time. Hell, let them secede. We know which part of the country actually provides the troops and which side doesn't. Whooping that whipped part of the country wouldn't be too hard. -=Mike This conservative columnist says 53% of Iraq casualties have come from red states and 47% from blue states. http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/bowyer/041101 This articles says that red states pay far less in taxes than they receive in government subsidies, blue states pay far more. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/07/opinion/...nt&position=top

Whoa there, bucko. Arafat has way to many ties to terrorism to be called "a great man."

I'm not regurgitating any anti-war protest. First of all, how can ANYONE be pro-war? Even President Bush has said he doesn't want history to record him as the war president but the peace president. I don't expect (or care) whether anyone "love" it or not. I believe the majority of innocents have left Fallujah. Do you believe every non-violent person has left? I certainly don't take the side of anyone who wishes to kill Americans. I don't take the side of anyone who wants to kill, period. I don't need you to tell me our troops are fighting in Iraq. I'm quite aware. "Whiny hippy tripe?" Really? That's just lovely. I do believe in justice for everyone, not just for America. What about you? I'll be happy when this war is done. The taking of Fallujah may prove to be a step in the right direction in so far as it helps bring the end of the occupation closer to happening. Is it so very wrong for me to wish there was another solution? I wish we could find another way. Iraq isn't the end of the War on Terror. It's the beginning of the beginning of it. So we've eliminated one remote threat. We've created enough hatred and resentment around the world, especially in the Middle East and southeast Asia, that we'll have to keep on eliminating remote and not-so-remote threats for decades to come. I find that most disheartening. Don't you? Well said. But the poem still blows. *runs away*

But Goldwater wasn't. And there were still a lot of Dem Congressman in the South after '64.

My friend got it yesterday, we're gonna play it tonight *nuts himself*. How is it different from 1?

That was 3 elections later and Carter was a unique candidate. A very religious Georgian. I don't think, by the way, that the South is unabashedly racist anymore. I'm a southerner myself and I think we've come a long way. I was just arguing that civil rights was the issue that pushed the South away from the Dems in the 60s. The results of the '64 Presidential election are hard to ignore. And I'm the spinster? This is the 1960 electoral map. The South was already splintering at that point. -=Mike Still pretty solid Dem, with some sprinklings of support for the radical segregationalist Byrd. You're arguing that Goldwater's voting against the Civil Rights Act had nothing to do with his securing of the South in '64?

Hahaha! Surely one of the Bushites here will take the challenge?

My $.02. The first poem sucked nine kinds of ass.

That was 3 elections later and Carter was a unique candidate. A very religious Georgian. I don't think, by the way, that the South is unabashedly racist anymore. I'm a southerner myself and I think we've come a long way. I was just arguing that civil rights was the issue that pushed the South away from the Dems in the 60s. The results of the '64 Presidential election are hard to ignore. And I'm the spinster?

This is after the war was already started.

Did I deny this? What problem? Nobody claimed that the Democratic Party wasn't chock-full-o-bigots during this period. The article argues that the positions of the parties on civil rights shifted post-Civil Rights Act. Explain to me why the South didn't break for a Republican presidential nominee until Goldwater ran against LBJ.

Okay. Lemme break it down for y'all. 1964--Civil Rights Act becomes law. LBJ--signed the Civil Rights Act. vs. Goldwater--voted against it. The South votes overwhelmingly for Goldwater. That's no spin, my man.

That whole never saying there was a connection must be brutal. Seeing you refer to anybody as "less educated" is the apex of comedy. The whole curse of them never saying that Saddam was behind it. Even stranger, since Bush never said he was involved. -=Mike I-m-p-l-i-c-a-t-i-o-n-s. Too bad Bush never made the implication. -=Mike Then why do so many Bush voters think that Saddam was tied to 9/11? I can show you a study on this if you'd like.

That whole never saying there was a connection must be brutal. Seeing you refer to anybody as "less educated" is the apex of comedy. The whole curse of them never saying that Saddam was behind it. Even stranger, since Bush never said he was involved. -=Mike I-m-p-l-i-c-a-t-i-o-n-s.

Heck, you want to be crude --- when the South was governed by bigots and Klansmen, it was fervently Democratic. When that stopped, they became fervently Republican. -=Mike And then when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act they lost the South. And the South went to the side that supported the bill. Odd how that works. -=Mike ...Keep in mind, after LBJ, they had a tendency of running inept boobs from the North (Mondale, McGovern, Dukakis)... "The "Solid South" began to erode when Democratic President Harry S. Truman took steps toward supporting the civil rights movement. His policies, combined with the adoption of a civil rights plank in the 1948 Democratic platform, prompted many Southerners to walk out of the Democratic National Convention and form the Dixiecrat Party. This splinter party was significant only in the 1948 election; the Dixiecrat candidate, Strom Thurmond, carried Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina. In the elections of 1952 and 1956, the popular Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower carried several southern states, although the South was still the bastion for his Democratic opponent, Adlai Stevenson. In the 1960 election, the Democratic nominee, John F. Kennedy, continued his party's tradition of selecting a Southerner as the Vice Presidential candidate (in this case, Lyndon B. Johnson of Texas). Kennedy, however, supported civil rights, partly at the strong urging of his brother Robert. In October 1960, when civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr. was arrested at a peaceful sit-in in Atlanta, Georgia, Kennedy placed a sympathetic phone call to King's wife, Coretta Scott King, and Robert Kennedy telephoned the judge and helped secure King's release. King expressed his appreciation for these calls. Although King himself made no endorsement, his father, who had previously endorsed Republican Richard Nixon, switched his support to Kennedy. The Democrats, however, lost ground with pro-segregation whites. The 1960 election was the first one in which the Republican candidate, although losing nationally, received electoral votes in the South. Nixon carried Virginia, Tennessee and Florida. In addition, conservative Democratic Senator Harry Byrd received some electoral votes from unpledged electors in Mississippi and Alabama (as well as Oklahoma). The reversal of the parties' roles on the civil rights issue was complete by the 1964 election. The Democratic candidate, Johnson, having become President after Kennedy's assassination, had signed into law the Civil Rights Act of 1964. His Republican opponent, Senator Barry Goldwater, had voted against it. Johnson won a landslide victory. Goldwater carried his home state of Arizona, but the rest of his electoral votes all came from the South. In just eight years, from 1956 to 1964, the region that had seen almost the only victories by a Democratic challenger against a popular Republican incumbent had switched to providing almost the only victories for a Republican challenger against a popular Democratic incumbent." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_South

Heck, you want to be crude --- when the South was governed by bigots and Klansmen, it was fervently Democratic. When that stopped, they became fervently Republican. -=Mike And then when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act they lost the South.

Delay's campaign slogan: "I promise to base all of my foreign policy decisions on the book of Revelation and the input of my dispensational premillenialist advisors."

If I was Nader I'd probably tell them to go eff themselves. Well what the democrats fail to realize is that Nader would just as prone and happy to report their fraudulent ways also. Nader is not in this to WIN an election, or try and help Kerry in anyway. Nader is just concerned about voter fraud across the board, and he doesn't care who is causing it. Amen. That's what I've been trying to say. I would have told the Dems to go to hell. Ralph is a bigger man than me.

They're behind Nader doing it. -=Mike ...Nader: Not a puppet to corporations, but a puppet to EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE PLANET... Is that a tinfoil hat you're wearing? Support your claims! Or did the President of the Argentinean Foundation for a Scientific Ecology tell you this, too? Did you miss Air America? Well, judging by their ratings, yes. -=Mike Nah, I don't listen to that crap. I don't need my opinions told to me. So Air America is now representative of the entire Democratic Party? No. I would say the listeners of and the callers to that show represent one extreme of the party. Just like the listeners of and callers to Limbaugh, Savage, Ingraham, Hannity, Liddy, O'Reilly, et. al. represent one extreme of the Republican Party.

I think Nader's made it pretty clear he hates both parties.