The Truthiness

Umaga is better than Joe, He doesn't need a big move set to be better than Joe, the four moves he does is more impressive than Joe's whole offense. We don't even have to compare the characters, because in that department Umaga wins easily.

I more annoyed that the guy wants a Nigel/Claudio tag team.

Well keep my name out of shit. Don't attack me, if you don't want me to defend myself.

Maybe if you pointed out what they did right, bp21 and acted civil. Opposed to just unsuccessfully trying to bait me every time you post you'd get better results. What did I win? Luke-O and Cabbage boy have had discussions with me. It seems that you're angry that they agreed with me, instead of insulting me.

I don't see how I did anything wrong in the TNA folder. I don't think you want a good debate in the folder, you want everybody to praise the company. The problem is, there is nothing to praise. It's laughable that you're bitching like this, when you do the same thing in the WWE folder. The difference is that you clearly nit pick the WWE, you don't give valid points. I'm sure everything I posted in the TNA folder had merit, but from day one I said, you didn't want good conversation in that folder, you just wanted everybody to just wear blinders when it came to TNA. I've brought more conversation in that forum than you have, and I was never an asshole to people, like you try to be with me. Edit: Also, you're the one who started the WWE/TNA comparison not me.

Angle lost his rematch for the title If Kurt isn't in the title scene, I believe whatever storyline Angle will be invloved in, will be a bigger priority than Joe's title reign. The booking has lead me to believe that, you probably think this to, but you'd probably never admit it if you did. Which is cool, to each their own.

But they are having Joe/Angle again, tonight and at the ppv. Steiner is just there to do the job, so Angle or Joe doesn't have to. It's clear that the booking team has no faith in Joe, unless Angle is involved.

Booking and getting over because he was in ROH aside, Joe is still pretty far from generic because he has something new to offer. Maybe it's not new to ROH fans but to the general fan, it is. And if we're talking "main eventers" who are generic, then look no further than the E. Cena is pretty generic, HHH has been pretty much the same character for nearly a decade and Randy Orton is generic heel #101. Now I don't want this to become a TNA vs WWE discussion because it's pointless, the E is techinacally a better company. Consistant PPVs, sell out shows, top rating TV shows etc etc. But to say that Joe is generic just because you're not a fan of the way TNA is booked is pretty lame. What exactly does Joe offer that is new? He kicks hard? His fire pro/Kings Roads offense? His Indy 101 wrestling gear? Does the name, Samoa Joe scream star to you? What exactly does Joe offer? Let's not go overboard with the Joe love. He's good, but he isn't that good. When it comes to superstars Joe is the blandest out of most of them. Yeah, he's been a victim of bad booking, but before he became a victim of bad booking, he was generic and just like every other hot Indy star from the class of 2004. At least Punk, Aries, Danielson, Hero, and Nigel freshened up their characters as the time past. Joe is the same Joe he was in 2004. Joe is like a Caw, hell everybody in TNA is like a Caw. You can throw a lot of insults at Cena and Orton, but there is nothing generic about them. Like them or not they both are different from the typical face and heel WWE has pushed over the last 11 years. Cena is something new, his act is something new. It might be stale to some, but it's not the typical face WWE has had over the years. He is a straight up good guy, that hasn't been in WWE since Bret Hart. Orton is a dominant heel, and a fighting champion, that is something else we haven't seen in WWE since heel HHH. He doesn't run with a clique, and he has carried his own weight as Champion. He is not the typical wrestling heel. If you want to see a generic heel, look no further than the top heels in Orlando. Angle is playing the same character HHH played from 2002-2005. Yeah he added a little MMA act to it, but he's still the same character Triple H was during his heel run in the early 2000's. AJ Style is the idiot comedy character Christian was before he got the Captain Charisma gimmick. Tomko is like early Batista, when he was with Evolution. Robert Roode is like a hybrid of Triple H/JBL, but he somehow makes it work. 3D is, well they are the same guys they were in 2000. I could go on, but I think you get the picture. Nothing is fresh in TNA, but the ring, the idiot announce team, the stupidity of the booking (they seem to get dumber every week, which is pretty impressive and fresh), and a competent women's division, which they are about to fuck up, as expected. Comparing Cena and Orton to anybody in TNA is hilarious for all the wrong reasons

Edit: They do? I swore they just had Angle, Christian and Joe at top.

I don't know HTQ. You're using another vicious piledriver spot to take Flair out, in thbe Dibiase feud. The problem with that is he just basically went through the same gimmick with Funk.

How was Garner supporting the life her and Bateman had? Wasn't Bateman a succesful commercial song writer? I remember him telling Juno that a battery commercial paid for the kitchen.

Since MVP has been spent about 10 yeas in the pen, he was probably use to all kinds of guys throwing it around especially here in Florida. I was a CO for about 6 months, and it was common for white inmates to use the word like I assume Hayes used it. The black inmates didn't care about white guys saying it, it was all about how the word was used.

I don't think it would've been such a big deal, if Hayes hadn't already ran 2 people away with his racism. I applaud Henry for doing something about it.

Maybe I was wrong for saying Joe is the most generic in wrestling. I should’ve said as far as top players in wrestling, he’s the most generic. He is a guy who wears his tights up to his nipple, and the name Samoa Joe sounds like a traveling job guy from the 80’s. As far as why did Joe get over huge in TNA? Well 1st and farmost. Everybody in the impact zone gets over; it’s a fee show on national TV. So why wouldn’t they cheer everything they see? But Joe was over the day he walked in to TNA, because people knew him from ROH. All TNA had to do is be competent with him, and people would buy Joe, which is exactly what TNA did in the beginning. Than the booking teamed started getting their on ideas, which is always a bad idea. All things considered though, Joe is still kind of generic

If this already posted, I apologize.

The fact that Punk had 3 matches in one night and is banged up, than lost to Edge (who is basically fresh) because of outside inerference is perfectly acceptable.

I wasn't really talking about the stitches, I didn't even know about that until after I posted. I was talking about his back, which what he was selling before and after the match with Regal. When you add on he got stitched up along with having a sore back, I think my point was made even more. My point being that it made sense for Punk to lose to Edge, he was too banged up from Monday night. Edge was basically fresh going in to the match on SD, and he still needed help to beat a hurt Punk. This doesn't hurt Punk at all, which is what I've been saying.

Yes, So did Dr. Death Steve Williams after the match, he got stitched up, and still drove 200 miles to wrestle in another show.

Just because it doesn't hurt as bad Friday (before a match) as it did Monday, doesn't mean much. Once the match start the nagging injuries will show back up. That can go for any kind of nagging injuries, which is what makes them nagging injuries.

Yeah I watched it, and maybe if Punk can wrestle Regal 5 minutes a week, the kicks would be as groovy too me as they seem to be to you. I remember watching Richards and Punk have them awesome 5 minute matches on ECW last summer, and thinking that Richards pulled off a kick based offense way better than Punk, so does MVP for that matter. Porter or Stevie don't even look like they're are trying hard to get it right either, Punk (the guy with a Muay Thai gimmick, mind you) seems sloppy a lot of times with his kicks. He's a exceptional seller, and hardly ever messes up that running knee/Bulldog/Clothesline spot. But as far as his kicks and the GTS go, they're sometimes painful to watch.

Because people don't know what the term jobbed out means Scroby. This is Punk's 4th match this week, he went in against a guy who has title match sunday, and has momentum on his side after getting a pin on a monster Monday. He also needed his "clique" to beat Punk. Who in reality is still feeling the effects of having 3 matches earlier in the week. But hey, who am I kidding? It's obvious Punk is getting jobbed out and buried. It's not like he got screwed over in both of his losses this week.

Austin, Jericho, Benoit, Eddie, Dustin, Foley, and Rey Mysterio, weren't setting the world on fire as WCW micard acts. Once WWE got a hold of them they all became legit stars, and spent time (excluding Dustin) in the main event scene at one time. They all were always fine wokers, and just needed a little push from a competent management team. Nobody in TNA is a draw, but maybe, just maybe, IF TNA booking teams wasn't run by retarded monkeys they could, you know, make some draws. Sting has history, he is a legend. The fact that TNA hasn't done anything good with him since the Jarrett feud is disgraceful. Booker T could've easily made an impact, if he was booked properly. Abyss should've been one of the biggest faces in the company, after he retuned from the Coalition beat down. TNA has fumbled with all these guys, and they indeed had a goldmine with them, but they don't know what the fuck they're doing. The fact that you downplay the value of Sting and Booker, and agree with me on Joe is pretty laughable, being as he is the one of the most generic guys in TNA, and wrestling for that matter.

If I had to choose between Punk and Jericho, I pick John Morrison Seriously though, both of them are dreadfully inconsistent and at times completely sloppy. Jericho has shitty punches, Punk has shitty kicks. Jericho has bad timing, Punk has bad timing. Jericho is ok on the mic, Punk isn’t allowed to talk. Both are over with the crowd enough to justify them being on my TV screen, and both at times can be tremendous in the ring, when paired with the right opponents. I liked them both more before they came to WWE, which is just as much their fault as it is the bookers. I see tons of potential in Punk, and I see a guy who never lived up to his potential in Jericho. I guess if I had to choose, I’d go with Punk, his straight edge character is good for the company, they seem to be giving him a big push, and they have built a whole new division and they’re making him the poster boy for it. On a personal note, I really don’t care for either, unless they’re in the ring with somebody who makes me care about them.

This a company who’s World Campion, was walking around an arena for an hour in his underwear looking for his clothes. This is a company where the World Champion staged a vowel renewal ceromony for him and his wife, but his lackey accidentally married his wife, during a renewal ceromony. This is a company where a triple crown Champion, has been the lackey for a guy who was a midcarder in WWE, left that guy and became a lackey for a guy who was an upper midcarder in WWE. This is a company who refuses to push their 2 most over tag teams, because one team didn't want to blade and the other is Mexican. This is a company that dedicated 2 hours of a show, to creat a parody gimmick of Steve Austin. This is a company that took a guy who was on the verge of being their top face in Tomko, and had him turn on Christian and become a lackey for Angle. Tomko is now involved in a feud with 2 guys who were feuding with monsters 2 weeks ago. He (and the aforementioned Triple Crown winner) lost their tag titles to a super hero. The commissioner of the company stripped the Super Hero and his partner of the titles, because the super hero wouldn't unmask. The commissioner spent the whole show saying how stupid this whole situation was, but he stripped the super hero and his partner anyway because of outside interference, when in fact there was no outside inference, and even the commissioner spent 1 hour saying it wasn’t any outside inference. Lethal has beat Kurt Angle (the top guy in TNA) cleanly. Than went on to defeat and save the X Division from "The best Tag team of the decade” in 3D. He beat them, while being outweighed by 100 pounds by both guys, in an anything goes environment, and they had a third guy with them at that. That is enough credential to build on, if you want to make a guy seem like a legit threat to the TNA title. Lethal should be seen as a top player in TNA. It shouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for him to one day be the champ in the company, if it was booked with any common sense. This is TNA though; they screwed up a goldmine in Joe, Abyss, Booker and Sting. So why would I even think they'll give Lethal a shot? Oh, thats right, I don't think they'll give Lethal shot. Like I said from the beginning in a perfect world Lethal is one of 3 guys that I'd like see get pushed as legit title contenders. All 3 have tons of potential and could be huge stars, but the people who book them are imbeciles The company is run by idiots, anything they do remotely right, they make sure they fuck it up a week later

CM Punk didn't lose any heat, so he doesn't have to get any back. Unless you count the crowd booing him in both the Hardy and Jericho match as "losing his heat". Punk beat 2 credible guys, and lost to Regal. Regal was basically fresh, and was very violent the whole night. He ran through a midget and a injured Finlay, and than he defeated a injured Punk in the finals. You said most of this yourself, so I don't see how you didn't get it.