WWE shouldn't listen to non-paying fans

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

Collecting sports autographs, wrestling, reading, rock n roll and girls.  Not in that order though!!!

 

Very interesting life. I envy you. I hope I can do cool stuff like collect autographs and read and hit on younger women at bars when I'm 33. Yay!

[Guest chirs3]

If anything, Vince should care more about the non-paying fans, because they're just that - NON paying. He should find out what it would take to get them to pay, then do it.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

Well, until you're 18 you're pretty much stuck flipping burgers and pushing carts. Then when you're in college, like I am, you can move up to *highly* lucrative careers (sarcasm) like being a waiter or a bar-tender or a menial office worker. Then when you get your degree, you can finally get a real job and some real money.

 

So, there is pretty much no hope of getting the 15-year-old smarks out there to crack open their wallets unless they have rich parents.

 

I still say $35 is nothing, but whatever.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

A majority of people here have paid for a ton of events.

 

BUT THE FUCKING PRODUCT IS NOT WORTH PAYING FOR.

 

Christ this thread is dumb.

[Guest chirs3]

Even on a minimum wage job, you can afford the PPV's. Speaking of which, I need to get a job.

 

But parents are known to fork over money from time to time, and I saved allowance like crazy for the Raw in Baton Rouge.

 

The WWE shouldn't worry about the already paying customers too much, because the ratings have tanked - they've got the diehards, who won't leave no matter how crappy it gets, still shelling out. They need to concentrate on why people aren't paying, and how to get the ones who aren't to start.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

I think the pay-per-views are always worth it. You get good match length and quality for the most part, and you get to see the culmination of everything that has been building for the past month. Plus, they can be fun social events if you have a bunch of friends over. Pay-per-views rock.

[Guest massivHEDtrauma]

Smarkzone, you will die a thankless, penniless, beat-down, broken, jobbing wannabe "wrestler" because of your complete and utter lack of comprehension of intelligence. You will also suck on Triple H's balls. Twice.

 

Oh waitaminute, you're a RICH boy. You will die a mama's boy, daddy's toy, cake-eating, naive, jobbing "wrestler" who quit after three weeks, deciding instead to let his stock in WWE go up. Unfortunately, it will plummet, and all the cash you have blindly invested into said "PLAY THE GAME" PPV will go down with it leaving you a penniless, beat-down, broken FORMER rich boy. You will also suck on Triple H's balls. Thrice.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

because of your complete and udder lack of comprehension of intelligence

 

You can't even spell "utter" and you are lecturing *me* on intelligence?

[Guest chirs3]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and defend one of Smarkzone's claims: Provided you've got friends who are into wrestling, Pay Per Views are almost always worth it. If they're craptacular, you can rant over pizza and beer. If they rule, you can mark out over pizza and beer.

 

That is all.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

Provided you've got friends who are into wrestling, Pay Per Views are almost always worth it. If they're craptacular, you can rant over pizza and beer. If they rule, you can mark out over pizza and beer.

 

Exactly.

 

And I guess I am a bad guy because I have a respectable income.

[Guest Downhome]

...and you get to see the culmination of everything that has been building for the past month.

If that really happend, I might order more PPV's now-a-days. Too bad it CAN'T as there are onl 3-4 shows between PPV's.

[Guest Downhome]

And I guess I am a bad guy because I have a respectable income.

No, you are an ass because you are trying to make yourself out to look more important than those who do NOT have such an income.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

The matches are still fun. And you are missing out on a potential MOTY candidate every time that you skip on ordering a pay-per-view. And guess what? There's nothing like seeing it live. It dulls the impact when you get a shitty pay-per-view recording from a friend or buy the DVD 3 months later.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

I think the pay-per-views are always worth it. You get good match length and quality for the most part, and you get to see the culmination of everything that has been building for the past month. Plus, they can be fun social events if you have a bunch of friends over. Pay-per-views rock.

All of which can be done at a sports bar.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

Hey, I could care less whether you see it at a friend's house, a sports bar, or on a black box. At least you will know what you are talking about when you critique the product. Believe it or not, there are some Internet fans out there who only go by what Scott Keith gave a match, having never seeing it for themselves, and they preach it like their second-hand info constitutes a valid opinion.

 

How about this? Since some of my more controversial/off-the-wall ideas are obviously pissing off 99.9% of the board, I'll just keep them to myself. I wasn't trying to start a flame war, it just popped into my head so I threw it out there. Some people came back with an intelligent answer for my question, i.e. "The real question is, what should Vince do to get these non-paying fans to shell out their money?"

 

That's a good response. But for the most part I got, "I'm 15/33 years old and broke so fuck you!" Hey, whatever.

 

I'll make sure to only throw out softball topics from now on.

[Guest chirs3]

But there's a severe lack of couches in sports bars.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

That's true. And it's loud, so you can't make smart-ass smark comments amongst yourselves.

[Guest massivHEDtrauma]

Okay, I'll stop trying to just piss you off and say what I want to say, which is this: it isn't the fact that you have cash, it's the fact that you seem to think you're more important than everyone else because of it. People like you are the ones who probably spit on bums on the street when they ask you for a quarter. The truth of the matter is that what you are saying is pretty much completely anti-American and anti-Constitution. Everyone is equal, whether they have money or not, buddy. And if you're in the demographic, it applies to business as I have already said, because everyone is potential profit. How can you argue with that?

 

And thank you for pointing out my grievous error. My post has been rectified. I will now withdraw the comment regarding your lack of comprehension of intelligence and simply replace it with "and you smell like ass." And you'll still also suck on Triple H's balls three times.

[Guest Downhome]

Hey, I could care less whether you see it at a friend's house, a sports bar, or on a black box. At least you will know what you are talking about when you critique the product. Believe it or not, there are some Internet fans out there who only go by what Scott Keith gave a match, having never seeing it for themselves, and they preach it like their second-hand info constitutes a valid opinion.

 

How about this? Since some of my more controversial/off-the-wall ideas are obviously pissing off 99.9% of the board, I'll just keep them to myself. I wasn't trying to start a flame war, it just popped into my head so I threw it out there.

 

I'll make sure to only throw out softball topics from now on.

No, hardball topics are good. However, this is just the worst topic I've ever read, ever. This wasn't a hardball topic, but rather, more of the "retard" kind. I mean seriously, only guys who are hardcore fans should be listened to?

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

I said paying customers, not hardcore fans...

 

Let's not put words into my mouth.

 

Besides, it was just an *idea*. There's a good chance that it is retarded since I just had a long drive and it's 2:30 a.m. and I am running on Mountain Dew. But I know that I have at least somewhat of a point.

 

I mean, if you don't put money in Vince's pocket, then why should he be concerned with your opinion? Kinda makes sense to me...or am I taking crazy pills?

[Guest alfdogg]

What exactly is the main discussion in this thread?

 

I'm completely fucking lost.

[Guest massivHEDtrauma]

How about this? Since some of my more controversial/off-the-wall ideas are obviously pissing off 99.9% of the board, I'll just keep them to myself. I wasn't trying to start a flame war, it just popped into my head so I threw it out there. Some people came back with an intelligent answer for my question, i.e. "The real question is, what should Vince do to get these non-paying fans to shell out their money?"

 

That's a good response. But for the most part I got, "I'm 15/33 years old and broke so fuck you!" Hey, whatever.

 

I'll make sure to only throw out softball topics from now on.

Dude, the filter in your brain should have stopped this from ever happening. You should have known how stupid this sounded as soon as the synapses in your head started snapping about it. So yes, you keep this total idiocy to yourself from now on and everything will be okay.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

What exactly is the main discussion in this thread?

 

I'm completely fucking lost.

 

I dunno, but I'm pretty sure that we should all buy a bottle of J.R.'s BBQ sauce so that we can be scalded hosses.

[Guest chirs3]

Am I the only guy who sees where Smarkzone is coming from?

 

Yes, I disagree with him - I think non-paying fans should be THE target.

 

But is it that hard to even understand where he's coming from, to understand the logic behind his ideas? The way you guys have reacted, you'd think the topic was about how the main event of Raw should be the Trish/Jackie rematch.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

I can tell that we aren't dealing with a group of business majors here.

[Guest massivHEDtrauma]

Am I the only guy who sees where Smarkzone is coming from?

No, I see what he's getting at, it's just the way he phrased it that pissed me off. He just comes off like an elitist who would have all of the middle income families put to death so he could build a gigantic wrestling ring over their houses, that's all.

[Guest Downhome]

I can tell that we aren't dealing with a group of business majors here.

Actually I was a business major, just fyi. I feel that you must be out of touch with the business world if you truly feel that the only people you should listen to are paying fans...

 

...because in the real world, yes over here where I am, business's aim their marketing towards those who do NOT put money in. Their reason is simple, as they WANT them to put money in. If they wen't by your theory, all marketing would be constant aimed at the same people over and over again.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

I'm middle-class.

 

Which brings me back to what I have said at least 20 times now: even if you are a fucking tobacco picker, you can afford $35 a month.

 

And Downhome, I agree with you 110%, so let me clear this up:

 

I'm not talking about the fans who would pay, but are turned off by the product (Although, once again, how much can you really know about the product without watching the pay-per-views?).

 

I'm talking about the cheap bastards who will not pay Vince McMahon a dime no matter what, because they expect everything in life to be free. You know, the people who trade tapes because they're so cheap that they won't shell out $15 for a DVD.

[Guest massivHEDtrauma]

I can tell that we aren't dealing with a group of business majors here.

In all seriousness, you never really responded to one of my first couple posts dealing with the business side of it. As I stated there, the WWE should in fact care more about those who do NOT pay and fit the demographic because (and this is in business school) if they cannot sell their product to most wrestling fans in the demographic they are going for then it is no one's fault but their own and they should shift the product a bit. They should also care not only about money, but about ratings, because bigger ratings = bigger audience = bigger payoff.

[Guest Downhome]

I'm middle-class.

 

Which brings me back to what I have said at least 20 times now: even if you are a fucking tobacco picker, you can afford $35 a month.

It isn't if you have the money or not, it's if you wish to spend your money on something that one deems lackluster. Right now, I can find plenty of other things to throw my money into. I hope this changes soon, but right now that's the way it is. Hell, if I was a f*cking millionare I wouldn't buy every PPV right now just because none (since WM) have intrigued me to do so.