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[Guest The Amazing Rando]

okay......

 

I want you to kick me in the face as hard as you can...I want you to beat my ass senseless....and then in a few years when I am 28....I will be a god or something to you and you can BOW DOWN BEFORE ME....For I Will Be In My Prime!

 

(....and some guy used to come into our YahooChat's and say the same thing)

 

I have no real argument...but if you seemingly worship those that are from 28-32.......you have no perception of what prime is...

 

so I will be expecting you to bow down before me on my 28th birthday...

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

I think yomama is confusing physical prime with in ring prime. Still the physical prime argument is pointless, sense their are so many exceptions. Sure physical ability has alot to do with inring ability but it isn't everything. Great Pacing, timing, and storytelling comes with experience.

 

BTW, Jumbo was pushing 50 when he carried a young bulked up junior named Misawa to a ***** match(IMO second greatest mens single match of all time) in 1990.

 

And a flabby young Bret Hart was not having MOTYC in Stampede, nor was he anymore athletic.

[Guest Rabbi_wilson13]

I missed the prime argument the first time around, but it seems pretty dumb to me.

 

Prime in any sport I ever heard of is whenever that athlete peaks. Be that the beginning, right smack dab in the middle or the end of their career. You can't define it by age, because what if you get injured at 31, work you ass off to come back and are in better shape than you were when you left? You can't set a flat-out age and say this is when you are your best.

[Guest yomama]

>other than very young guys who just came in, most of the roster has already peaked.

 

Not true. The roster mostly consists of young and prime wrestlers. About 20% or so of the roster are past their prime.

 

>There's no reason to say that Triple H passed his prime because he turned 33 today, as soon as he tore his quad his days as a great wrestler were over.

 

Read the first post in this topic. I said HHH's prime ended at 32 (instead of 33) because of steroid abuse. 28-32 is prime unless you have major injuries, a major disease, or do drugs (and HHH abused steroids). HHH does not become past his prime today, HHH becomes an old man today.

[Guest SuperTonyJaymz]

Steroid Abuse? Proof please. Sure he got big, but I really doubt he is on steroids. I think he is like Lex Luger: A body builder stuck in a wrestlers body.

 

Give it up, this whole prime thing is stupid. You can't predict when someones hits their prime, if it happens, when it ends, how it ends, why it ends...its an intangible. Einstein would back me up. He'd tell you straight up that your argument is stupid...squared.

[Guest Zero_Cool]

This is a thread straight out of The Twilight Zone. I'm just going to say that the 28-32 arguement is the most asinine thing since the idea of Coke II.

[Guest godthedog]

the theory is crap. this thread has only survived as long as it has because yoyoyomamamama refuses to shut up about it.

[Guest mach7]

This is a thread straight out of The Twilight Zone. I'm just going to say that the 28-32 arguement is the most asinine thing since the idea of Coke II.

Agreed!

[Guest Dark Fusion]

Flair put on a **** match with Austin the Raw before he Austin left. And his WM match with Taker was pretty good.

yea...its a good match and all.....but all he did was just get beaten into a bloody pulp(literally)...and after that......he still got his arse kicked some more.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

"I don't need medical proof. 28-32 prime, 33+ decline is common sense "

 

Actually it's not common sense. You are presenting an argument with absolutely no proof. We just have to take your word for it. Present some medical proof and I might believe you. But as of now you have NO facts to back this up.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

I missed the prime argument the first time around, but it seems pretty dumb to me.

 

Prime in any sport I ever heard of is whenever that athlete peaks. Be that the beginning, right smack dab in the middle or the end of their career. You can't define it by age, because what if you get injured at 31, work you ass off to come back and are in better shape than you were when you left? You can't set a flat-out age and say this is when you are your best.

EXACTLY!

 

Example:

 

Ted Williams. He was in his prime from 1939 to 1960.

 

 

And I think Sam Horn was horrible in his "peak" years, infact he was out of baseball by age 32. Missed all the season when he was 30, and after age 28, played in only 23 games.

 

 

All about age though, isnt it?

[Guest Shaved Bear]

HHH has hit a decline though

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

HHH has hit a decline though

because of an injury, more than a few bad storylines, bad booking in general (that affected EVERYONE, not just HHH), and being over-muscled

 

not because he's 33

[Guest Brian]

Well, most recently Frank Thomas hit his prime early on.

[Guest yomama]

>Some guys never even have a prime, Mark Henry, for example

 

Everyone has a prime. Mark Henry isn't a good pro wrestler, but his prime is 28-32

 

>And 35 isn't old.

 

It's not OLD OLD, but it's old

 

>By that standard, Rock is about to pass his prime, as is Kurt Angle, even though Angle has been in the buisness what? 3 years.

 

Rock is not about to pass his prime. The Rock is 30 years old and doesn't turn 33 until May 2, 2005. It doesn't matter how long you are in the business, DDP was past his prime when he started to wrestle at the age of 35. Kurt Angle first appeared on WWF TV at the age of 29, and he has very little prime left (turns 33 on December 10, 2002).

 

>And don't forget Dean Malenko. His series with Jericho happened after he was 33, and that was his best angle/series of matches ever

 

He had a much better series of matches with Eddie Guerrero in ECW

 

>Prime is all about matches, not age. If Ric Flair starts having the greatest series of matches ever, better tahn any others he has ahd, then his "prime" would be now.

 

That would never happen though, Flair is too far past his prime

[Guest Brian]

yomama, have you even seen any of Ric Flair's work in the late 70's? He hardly shows shades of being that great; let alone in the early eighties where he still had alot of ground to make up on his matches in the later eighties. I would go out as far and say that had Flair not done what he had done going off to Puerto Rico and Japan during that time period, where he was a DECENT to good tag wrestler and a comparable singles man during the time, he would have never had a single five star match in his career

[Guest SuperTonyJaymz]

First off, whether or not the Eddy G. series or the Y2J series was better for dean is debatable. Both series had great matches, but the Y2J had more storyline. Either way, in 1995, dean was still "not in hsi prime" according to your theory. He was 35 in 1995, 38 in in 1998 w/ his series with Y2J and 40 when he had an uber great match with Scotty 2 Hotty. If you ask me, Dean really hit his stride from 1995-2000, way after his "prime".

 

Now can we just close this topic? Yomama doesn't listen to facts, he just believes what his sick, sad little mind thinks.

[Guest yomama]

>Yeah Bret was not remotely in his prime when he was 28-32. He didn't really hit his peak until 1991 or so, and some of the best wrestling of his career came in 1996-97 when he was nearly 40.

 

He wrestled almost always in the tag team, the Hart Foundation in his prime, and that was when he was at his peak (from 1986-1990). Hart couldn't show all of his stuff while tag team wrestling.

 

>Anyway, I know the one guy who will once and for all shatter this retarded debate: DDP. The guy didn't even start wrestling till he was about 35 and I can assure you that early DDP stuff sucks really bad. He was not in real good shape either. DDP never really got any good at all till about 1996 or 97 when he was 40 or so.

 

DDP was at his peak from 28-32, though he didn't wrestle before then unfortunately. For wrestling, you need some experience before you look good. DDP at 35 had no wrestling experience as a wrestler (not manager) and therefore didn't look that good. If DDP started in his early 20s (like most wrestlers do), the time he turns 28, he would peak as a wrestler.

[Guest Nezbyte]

Lock the topic and BAN this fucking retard

[Guest SuperTonyJaymz]

Okay..so...your saying atht why you dont really know, you believe because of your theory that Bret Hart hit is peak in the early 80s, even though you have no proof compared to all the 5* we haves that prove he was a better wrestler in the 90s

 

ugh...your an ignorant dumbass who cant listen to reason...

[Guest Brian]

What about Tommy Dreamer? He hit his prime during this last year of his indy run where he was consistently working good matches, mopreso than any point in his career despite not working with the best of opponents.

 

Hart showed nothing in a tag team format, nothing than gives anyone an idea that he would be that good. In fact, it was almost a detriment to his early development ifhe hadn't run into a lot of good tag teams.

[Guest yomama]

>RVD on the other hand in ECW had awesome physical skills, but his knowledge of what to do and why wasn't that great. If he stays injury free in WWE his peak will likely be the next few years....his physical ability will likely still be good and his understanding of wrestling will increase.

 

RVD's prime will end on December 18, 2003, when he turns 33. His ability will decline but his understanding of wrestling can always get better, but ability and all the other factors of prime matter more.

[Guest SuperTonyJaymz]

Ability isn't 100% connected with age! Look at everyone who had the best matches of their career after their "prime"

-Flair

-Malenko

-Austin

 

And theres alot more. The point is, unless you give us facts, than you come of as an ass. bottom line.

[Guest yomama]

>Have you even watched Flair's work in the late 70's-early eighties? For the most part he was a great worker who was exposed a little for not being the all-around worker he later became after a stint in Japan, and the only reason he wrestled so many tag matches during that period in Japan because they were covering for his weaknesses.

 

You are guessing why he wrestled in mostly tag matches during his prime. I don't know why he did. Flair wasn't exposed at all during the late 70s, early 80s.

[Guest Brian]

"RVD's prime will end on December 18, 2003, when he turns 33. His ability will decline but his understanding of wrestling can always get better, but ability and all the other factors of prime matter more."

 

Are you kidding me? As long as you're still good enough at moving around in the ring, the amount of wrestling knowledge can carry you for a long amount of time. Take my Ric Flair example on the last page, of a guy who got the seasoning during his so called prime, but didn't began to develop it and harness it until years later. Or Tommy Dreamer in my last post. Or angle in a year or two, if he hangs around he will probably develop into being one of the best, well-rounded wrestlers in history. Or Austin who despite being physically unable to perform at levels he once did due to a severe injury he still managed to carry other aspects of really good matches.

[Guest yomama]

>a flabby young Bret Hart was not having MOTYC in Stampede, nor was he anymore athletic.

 

People seem to think I said that Bret Hart was in his prime during his Stampede days. I never said this, somebody else did. Bret Hart was in his prime from 1986-1990.

[Guest Brian]

Have you seen, for example, his AJ singles matches right around that period? Any of his tag matches? His short IWA work? It's nothing compared to later. He looked like the weak link in a lot of his work. It's not secret. Late 70's Flair was still heavily influenced by Ray Steven's and it took him along time to branch away from that. He did have some good matches; Snuka in Mid-Atlantic aroung 1979. All his early eighties matches (MSG in 1984, Mid-Atlantic in 1997 that started the feud, AJ) with Steamboat weren't as good as later. Heck, the closest argument I can come up with where flair was as great as he was in the mid-late eighties is early on in the decade where he really developed what was happening, as alot of his work though great during the time period was moderately bland in similiarity.

[Guest Brian]

I'd would also like to add that Flair was in his working prime in about 1984.

[Guest yomama]

>Prime in any sport I ever heard of is whenever that athlete peaks. Be that the beginning, right smack dab in the middle or the end of their career. You can't define it by age, because what if you get injured at 31, work you ass off to come back and are in better shape than you were when you left? You can't set a flat-out age and say this is when you are your best.

 

An athlete peaks from 28-32. If you fully recover and come back in better shape at 33, you will still be past your physical prime, unless you return in GREATLY better shape.

[Guest SuperTonyJaymz]

wait..so... how did you come up with 28-33? I could say your prime is 30-40 or 22-78, how can you prove me wrong? How can you prove yourself right?