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[Guest godthedog]

if it was so much harder to see bret's greatness 86-90, then where's the actual proof that he was at his peak then?

 

he did the single greatest carry job in the history of wrestling with davey boy smith in 1992, when he was 35. don't sit here and tell me he would've had a better match under the same circumstances in 1986.

 

and has anyone else noticed that yoyoyomamamama doesn't participate in any other topics?

[Guest yomama]

>>Austin's matches were much better from 1993-1997 than from 1998-1999

>No, he still peaked in '98/'99

 

In wrestling matches how so?

 

>Maybe they didnt SUCK, but they certainly couldnt hold a candle to their BEST work. They are examples of wrestlers who did far better after their "so called prime" than they ever did in their "prime"

 

As tag team wrestlers, they were limited in their work. You didn't get to see them shine like when they were in singles because of having much less time to work. By the prime rule, they were at their best then

[Guest Downhome]

and has anyone else noticed that yoyoyomamamama doesn't participate in any other topics?

I'm telling you, this guys is OBSESSED with this "prime" crap. In AOL chat he's like...

 

HHH --- Prime

 

DDP --- Not in prime

 

Jericho --- Prime

 

...and so on and so on. He didn't talk about ANYTHING ELSE in the chat, just like he is here.

[Guest Downhome]

By the prime rule, they were at their best then

[Guest Downhome]

Beware of December 10th, just trust me...

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

>WHIP (walks plus hits per inning pitched) is the best pure judge of how well a pitcher would perform

 

No it's not because it isn't how many guys you let on base, it is how many guys you let score

The less guys you let on base, the less score. He had great ERA's as well, but I was trying to remove the influence of a defense (better defenses allow less runs, so ERA isnt a perfect method of judging performance)

 

>>>what about all the one time wonders who did great in their early/mid 20's, then faded away when they approached 30?

>>There aren't any unless they had major injuries, a major disease, or did drugs

>No moron, their one year wonder seasons WERE their peak, regardless of how fucking old they are. If you only have one good season, THATS YOUR FUCKING PEAK

 

They don't have only one good season, they continue to improve until they reach their prime

 

Okay, let me get this straight, you're saying that ONE YEAR WONDERS continue to improve until they reach their prime?

 

Fuck you.

 

I'm right. You're wrong. Fucking period. How can you tell me one year wonders IMPROVE!! They DONT improve, thats WHY they're One Year Wonders, you fucking dense piece of horseshit

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

>Maybe they didnt SUCK, but they certainly couldnt hold a candle to their BEST work. They are examples of wrestlers who did far better after their "so called prime" than they ever did in their "prime"

 

As tag team wrestlers, they were limited in their work. You didn't get to see them shine like when they were in singles because of having much less time to work. By the prime rule, they were at their best then

Yeah DIPSHIT, we're CHALLENGING THE PRIME RULE, and in order for YOU to prove anything, you have to prove your point, without using your point to prove it.

 

Saying they are in their prime from 28-32 is the prime rule, then saying 28-32 is the prime time because the prime rule says so, is circular fucking logic.

 

You cant prove anything when you assume your point is proven. Thats akin to me saying the world is flat because I think the world is flat. And I think the world is flat because it is.

 

Total bullshit.

[Guest yomama]

>I'm telling you, this guys is OBSESSED with this "prime" crap. In AOL chat he's like...

 

HHH --- Prime

 

DDP --- Not in prime

 

Jericho --- Prime

 

HHH is not in his prime anymore

[Guest Downhome]

...December 10th, Kurt Angle turns 33, and you know what THAT means...

 

...yes, after being in the business for such a short time, his career will already start to dwindle down, and do you know WHY???

 

It's because he wont be in his prime anymore silly billy!

[Guest Downhome]

>I'm telling you, this guys is OBSESSED with this "prime" crap. In AOL chat he's like...

 

HHH --- Prime

 

DDP --- Not in prime

 

Jericho --- Prime

 

HHH is not in his prime anymore

That was durring the AOL chat we were in, and at the time in your standards he WAS in his prime.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

>I'm telling you, this guys is OBSESSED with this "prime" crap. In AOL chat he's like...

 

HHH --- Prime

 

DDP --- Not in prime

 

Jericho --- Prime

 

HHH is not in his prime anymore

Boy do you always make sure your milk is between 10 days before and 3 days before the expiration date, because thats when Milk is in its prime?

[Guest Downhome]

>I'm telling you, this guys is OBSESSED with this "prime" crap. In AOL chat he's like...

 

HHH --- Prime

 

DDP --- Not in prime

 

Jericho --- Prime

 

HHH is not in his prime anymore

Boy do you always make sure your milk is between 10 days before and 3 days before the expiration date, because thats when Milk is in its prime?

I thought milk was in its prime in the teet, and after it's out, it dwindles in quality.

[Guest yomama]

>The less guys you let on base, the less score.

 

That isn't always the case, you can be a good pitcher that is able to work your way out of jams without letting runs in

 

>you're saying that ONE YEAR WONDERS continue to improve until they reach their prime?

 

I'm saying that there are no one year wonders unless they have had major injuries, a major disease, or do drugs

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

>The less guys you let on base, the less score.

 

That isn't always the case, you can be a good pitcher that is able to work your way out of jams without letting runs in

 

>you're saying that ONE YEAR WONDERS continue to improve until they reach their prime?

 

I'm saying that there are no one year wonders unless they have had major injuries, a major disease, or do drugs

Then you're a FUCKING moron, because there have been guys who stepped up big for one year, but without injury, or drug abuse, or cancer or some other fucking disease, have came back and not been any good anymore

 

You cant deny the existence of one year wonders, and you STILL havent addressed the fact that you're using circular logic on everything

 

So fuck you, have a good life, and I hope when you reach age 28 and cant run a mile any longer, you'll realize thats your peak, and its all downhill from there

[Guest yomama]

>>As tag team wrestlers, they were limited in their work. You didn't get to see them shine like when they were in singles because of having much less time to work. By the prime rule, they were at their best then

>Yeah DIPSHIT, we're CHALLENGING THE PRIME RULE, and in order for YOU to prove anything, you have to prove your point, without using your point to prove it.

Saying they are in their prime from 28-32 is the prime rule, then saying 28-32 is the prime time because the prime rule says so, is circular fucking logic.

You cant prove anything when you assume your point is proven. Thats akin to me saying the world is flat because I think the world is flat. And I think the world is flat because it is.

 

It's difficult to prove that Bret Hart and Ric Flair were at their best when they were tag team wrestlers (or that they were any worse than when they were in their mid-late 30s). Therefore I just use the prime rule and say they were at their best then.

[Guest yomama]

>>HHH --- Prime

 

DDP --- Not in prime

 

Jericho --- Prime

 

HHH is not in his prime anymore

 

>That was durring the AOL chat we were in, and at the time in your standards he WAS in his prime.

 

I finally realized that HHH was past his physical prime (before he turned 33) recently. I gave HHH a chance to prove himself (like getting rid of ring rust), but it's clear that steroid abuse got to him.

[Guest yomama]

>there have been guys who stepped up big for one year, but without injury, or drug abuse, or cancer or some other fucking disease, have came back and not been any good anymore

 

Not true

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

It's difficult to prove that Bret Hart and Ric Flair were at their best when they were tag team wrestlers (or that they were any worse than when they were in their mid-late 30s). Therefore I just use the prime rule and say they were at their best then.

Okay, I'm going to try to explain this to you as simply as possible

 

You cannot use as justification, any rule that hasnt been proven

 

You have not proven the prime rule to be true, so therefore you cannot use it as evidence/justification for an opinion you hold to be fact

 

Have you ever considered that its difficult to prove BH and RF were at their best as tag wrestlers, because its not true?

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

>there have been guys who stepped up big for one year, but without injury, or drug abuse, or cancer or some other fucking disease, have came back and not been any good anymore

 

Not true

Yes its fucking true.

 

Go study the careers of Brady Anderson, Glenn Beckert, and I'm sure I could come up with a few others.

 

See that they only had one BIG season, which coincidentally WASNT in their 28-32 prime ages, and then faded back to mediocrity afterwards. They didnt get a disease, have drug abuse, or get injured.

[Guest yomama]

>>It's difficult to prove that Bret Hart and Ric Flair were at their best when they were tag team wrestlers (or that they were any worse than when they were in their mid-late 30s). Therefore I just use the prime rule and say they were at their best then.

>Okay, I'm going to try to explain this to you as simply as possible

You cannot use as justification, any rule that hasnt been proven

 

If the rule is based on common sense then you can use it as justification

 

>Go study the careers of Brady Anderson, Glenn Beckert, and I'm sure I could come up with a few others.

 

Brady Anderson was an all-star in 1992 and in 1996 and 1997, he's no one year wonder. Glenn Beckert was an all-star from 1969-1972, he's no one year wonder. There is no such thing as a one year wonder unless of those exceptions I listed before.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

>>It's difficult to prove that Bret Hart and Ric Flair were at their best when they were tag team wrestlers (or that they were any worse than when they were in their mid-late 30s). Therefore I just use the prime rule and say they were at their best then.

>Okay, I'm going to try to explain this to you as simply as possible

You cannot use as justification, any rule that hasnt been proven

 

If the rule is based on common sense then you can use it as justification

 

But the prime rule is not based on common sense. Infact its not based on anything, aside your personal opinion. Besides, even if it WAS common sense, which it isnt, you can explain common sense. So feel free, if you can explain it, I'll accept it, but you cant just say its true.

 

 

>Go study the careers of Brady Anderson, Glenn Beckert, and I'm sure I could come up with a few others.

 

Brady Anderson was an all-star in 1992 and in 1996 and 1997, he's no one year wonder.  Glenn Beckert was an all-star from 1969-1972, he's no one year wonder.  There is no such thing as a one year wonder unless of those exceptions I listed before.

 

Well then Explain Bob Hamelin, one year, he's Rookie of the Year, next year, he's not even in the majors?

 

Cant get any more of a One Year Wonder than that

[Guest Zero_Cool]

Is this thing STILL going on? Just think...what if Kurt Angle believed in the 28-32/33/whatever garbage?

 

*Angle walks into Vince McMahon's office*

 

Vince - Oh, hey Kurt. What can I help you with?

 

Kurt - Vince, I need to win the title from Brock the exact DAY after Summer Slam! I'm dead serious.

 

Vince - What?

 

Kurt - It's simple, Vince. Intelligence is one of the three I's that I've been talking about since day one. And that 'I' is telling me that I need to win the title as soon as possible. Now, I know that we have plans from Summer Slam and whatever....but the thing is, on December 10, I turn 33!

 

Vince - Are you worried about aging too uick? Don't worry, Ric Flair peaked when you were in college..and he's damn near 55 now!

 

Kurt - Vince, it's common knowledge that once a man hits 33, he goes downhill. There's no question!

 

Kurt tries to say something to combat the Flair comment...but trails off.

 

Vince - What about..Bret Hart? He was putting on great matches when he was well into his mid thirties!

 

Kurt - He was at his peak when he was stuck in that tag team with Jim Neidhart!! You didn't capitalize on him when he was at his peak! But don't worry, when he screwed himself over in 97, he was going WAY downhill!

 

Vince scowls at Kurt, but the Olympic Gold Medalist continues...

 

Kurt - I figure that if you give me the title in August, I can give you three months worth of four star matches. However, when and if you job me out to Lesnar and RVD on December 11, it'll probably be a one star match at best..because I'll be 33 at that point! Anyway..what do you say?

 

Vince - You're scaring me, Kurt....

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

Is this thing STILL going on? Just think...what if Kurt Angle believed in the 28-32/33/whatever garbage?

 

*Angle walks into Vince McMahon's office*

 

Vince - Oh, hey Kurt. What can I help you with?

 

Kurt - Vince, I need to win the title from Brock the exact DAY after Summer Slam! I'm dead serious.

 

Vince - What?

 

Kurt - It's simple, Vince. Intelligence is one of the three I's that I've been talking about since day one. And that 'I' is telling me that I need to win the title as soon as possible. Now, I know that we have plans from Summer Slam and whatever....but the thing is, on December 10, I turn 33!

 

Vince - Are you worried about aging too uick? Don't worry, Ric Flair peaked when you were in college..and he's damn near 55 now!

 

Kurt - Vince, it's common knowledge that once a man hits 33, he goes downhill. There's no question!

 

Kurt tries to say something to combat the Flair comment...but trails off.

 

Vince - What about..Bret Hart? He was putting on great matches when he was well into his mid thirties!

 

Kurt - He was at his peak when he was stuck in that tag team with Jim Neidhart!! You didn't capitalize on him when he was at his peak! But don't worry, when he screwed himself over in 97, he was going WAY downhill!

 

Vince scowls at Kurt, but the Olympic Gold Medalist continues...

 

Kurt - I figure that if you give me the title in August, I can give you three months worth of four star matches. However, when and if you job me out to Lesnar and RVD on December 11, it'll probably be a one star match at best..because I'll be 33 at that point! Anyway..what do you say?

 

Vince - You're scaring me, Kurt....

LOL

 

You know I could see that actually happening on WWE programming

 

Read that with Kurts inflections, and how you know Vince would react, its GOLD

[Guest Zero_Cool]

I actually thought of it in my head how Kurt would say it...needless to say, the expression on his face when he would've made the Bret Hart comment would've been classic Angle.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

I actually thought of it in my head how Kurt would say it...needless to say, the expression on his face when he would've made the Bret Hart comment would've been classic Angle.

Oh it would give me a whole new appretiation of Kurt

[Guest yomama]

>>If the rule is based on common sense then you can use it as justification

>But the prime rule is not based on common sense. Infact its not based on anything, aside your personal opinion. Besides, even if it WAS common sense, which it isnt, you can explain common sense.

 

The prime rule is based on common sense. 28-32 is prime (unless you have major injuries, a major disease, or do drugs). That is common sense. This is not my opinion. I do not believe in opinions. Something is either right or wrong, there is no in between with "opinions".

 

>Explain Bob Hamelin, one year, he's Rookie of the Year, next year, he's not even in the majors?

 

Actually after his rookie of the year season in 1994, he played four more seasons. Rookie of the year isn't that big of an award anyway

[Guest XdojimeX]

This guy is pretty fucking hilarious. One of the more original gimmick trolls I've seen on a msg board in awhile. A little scary though...does he really come on here every time a wrestler has a 33rd birthday just to work the same bs post? Least he's dedicated...I love how he stonewalls all the expected flames too. That's how you troll, keep talking out of your ass with a straight face for as long as possible. Drives people nuts.

[Guest yomama]

>One of the more original gimmick trolls I've seen on a msg board in awhile.

 

I'm not a troll. I did this topic to inform people that HHH is now an old man, and it turned into a prime conversation

[Guest XdojimeX]

Fuck you.

[Guest yomama]

I'm only reacting to this to explain that I don't react to things like vulgar insults. I don't even react to greetings because they don't do anything, I want to get right to the point.