The Draft

[Guest Cancer Marney]

You Marney, I wondered that if I posted a dignified reply to what you have said if you could reciprocate said dignity.

Your original post wasn't dignified. It started belligerently, and contained numerous holier-than-thou aspersions on my gender, my character, and the character of the President of the United States, at whose pleasure I serve. If you want a "dignified" reply from me, don't ever insult my President. If you want to refrain from personal attacks, and if you're now requesting a similar courtesy from me, I'll extend it.

 

But don't insult the President again.

 

As for your Vietnam explanation, I would go so far as to say that America's freedoms are in no more danger of being taken away rom us now than they were when we dropped the ball on monitoring and destroying Al Qaede and Bin Laden the first time.

Not sure what you're trying to say here; it's a bit of a non-sequitur.

Re: Al Qaeda, our people may not be living under greater threat now than they were then, in fact I think we're under much less of a threat now, but we're also aware of the threat now. We had a pretty conclusive demonstration last year. And just being aware of the threat endangers our freedoms: witness the so-called Patriot Act. Removing the threat will not only make us safer, it will also make us more free.

As for the Vietnamese, they didn't have the ability to inflict mass civilian casualties on us or our allies. The Iraqis are actively working towards that end, and are documented suppliers of funds and materiel to terrorist groups that have sworn to destroy our ally Israel, as well as "the Great Satan." Do you doubt for one moment that if Saddam Hussein gets his hands on a portable nuclear device, he won't use it against us, or give it to someone who will? He will. He's a threat. He's the worst threat we currently face. He must be removed posthaste.

 

As for the we-should-have-done-it-then-so-we-shouldn't-do-it-now argument, I really don't know what to say. Yes, we made a mistake. We left him alive and in power. I believe we not only have a right but a duty to rectify that mistake. This is wrong how?

 

It's being done for the wrong reasons. The right ones being to bring down a tyrannical asshole who has been starving his people and exploiting this extremist attitude to garner popular support for his administration and disuading any rebellion from trying to overthrow him.

Whatever the motives (and I'm still not sure why you think the President's motives are bad), getting rid of Saddam Hussein would be a good thing. We agree on this, right? The result will be the same. The means will be the same. How does the why make a difference?

[Guest Gamengiri2002]

Once again, I'm not saying that Hussein isn't deserving of action. But Hussein never hurt our civilians nor did his army, it is our assumption under our most skilled informants (who are semi-skilled at best) that he lent support to the group that DID happen to do it. Now we can't seek out revenge on the man responsible so we go for the guy whom we suspect was helping him and, as a plus, we didn't like this guy in the first place.

 

These are not the President's motives per se, they are the popular public opinion's motives and we happen to have a popular public opinion president (same as would have been with Gore-- I'm a radical, can you tell?). And I do not trust nor appreciate the popular opinion of the public. It's like this...

 

The individual=I can appreciate and respect

The people=Can go straight the fuck to hell

 

War of neccessity plays a little more into the circumstances and motives to me. The minute Hussein shows outward hostility towards us, the moment an American is killed by his people or the moment he issues a direct threat to our governing officials, I say we go in and smack him around a bit, put him in a jaccuzi full of napalm(and fuck the bubblejets), strike a match, and have a big ole' "Iraqi dictators with ghey moustaches" bonfire. In fact, I'm for doing this at ANY time. But I don't think it has become particularly neccessary just recently and I don't think any harm nor foul will come of not doing it than will from doing it. This is merely my observation.

 

I do not care for our President's foreign policy nor did I his father's. In fact, foreign policy, for being one of the biggest money spending outlets for the last twenty yeatrs, has been handled rather haphazardly (starting with Reagan). And as so much money is being spent on foreign policy gone awry I can't agree that our biggest threat is Saddam Hussein. Or the Middle East.

 

Our greatest threats are right here at home. Always have been. Domestic issues that can be dealt with kill more people annually than anything the Middle East has done. Hunger, Medical Care, The pointlessly expensive war on fucking drugs. I hate to sound inhumane but we over on this side of the ocean were fortunate enough and smart enough to pick up on heavy industry and as such our people MIGHT have more money, but we've earned it.

 

The Middle East, the Arab world, sure they are starving and oppressed and in most cases primitive; but far be it for us to assume that these countries cant civilize themselves without us guiding them along, after all, this country wasn't built by the morally adept and the socially elite. We came from rebellion. As do all countries. It's how socities evolve. Let The Middle East evolve is what we should have done, it's far too late now, we've done far too much to pull out of the region at this time. We are involved now to where our reputation could suffer. I often wonder what life would be like if we didn't but in with the Middle East back in '48-'49. I'm sure we'll never know.

 

We can't feed their hungry either, I hate to say this, but let nature run it's course, the hungry will starve and weak will die, the individual countries may kill each other off. One by one. Self-destructing. But such is life. And such is what is happening to all of us. To me and you. But at a slower pace. We are all self-destructing. And we can't save everyone. So let's save our own. Let's feed our hungry, treat our wounded, and care for our poor. Let's protect our citizens without assuming for them with drug legalities and such. We give more money to the hungry over there than we do here. More food there than here. While the little boy in Pakistan who hasn't eaten in four months might be very distantly related in the big picture, religious sense; the homeless guy who lives downtown is, logically, sharing some of your same blood, however small.

 

We assume that people have no right to be hungry in this country of opportunity, have no right to be poor with all we provide them. With what our constitution provides them. What we assume they are provided. But in a third world country we are arrogant enough to think that their people can't endure without the help of OUR people. We feed and shelter them while scorning people in similar conditions in our country. Passing them off as unmotivated or some other shit.

 

It'll all boil down to nothing once again. Hell, the Dinosaurs only lasted some millions of years and we are no where NEAR as self-reliant as the dinosaurs. We have to mind our priorities a little better than we have.

 

So no, I don't share the Pentagon's definition of "Necessity" Necessity runs deeper than "what if''s It really all comes down to what you value and what you believe in. Politically Hussein is a very real threat. But politics is an invention of man. I'd rather save the man than adhere to the invention. To me, THAT's a necessity.

 

I hope, whether you agree or not, that you at least see more of where I'm coming from.

 

And I apologize for what were construed as aspersions on your character, and I wish to make clear that I cast no aspersions on the president's character. I find him to be very easily persuaded by flawed public opinion and feel that, at times, he will make a hasty move to maintain public appearance. His personal character is of no importance to me as I judge on the job he's done and not the life he lives.

[Guest EricMM]

FK Teale, You have great talent as a writer and I love your use of metaphor and colorful adjectives to insult. However, for the most part you are as lacking in substance as those you rail against for being non-substantive. I know it can be tough, but I have found in my many years the best way to blow somebody out of the water is not with insults but with irrefutable facts. You could use your substantial talents in a much more useful fashion.

 

Thats kind of what I was thinking as I read my FIRST FLAME EVER!! I really wanted to respond but I could never make something that well crafted, I don't even know how to make links like that.

 

But use your powers for good FK Teale! For GOOD! And you are NOT better than me... (and I've never ever liked, read, seen, enjoyed, um appreciated, sponsored, or PARROTED Rosie O'Donnell. She's loud and annoying)

 

The Romans discovered to their peril that a conscript army is much less effective than a volunteer one. Those you draft normally only have loyalty to themselves and little for their country they are fighting for. The Vietnam war proved this in more recent times. The only real purpose for a conscript army is one of conquest and not for defense. If you don't have enough troops you are doing things that aren't for defense but for the former. It's even more so in the case of the US in which our troops are used as a form of diplomacy and to defend others too lazy and cheap to defend themselves. This is what we need to change and not draft anybody.

 

Yeah and the romans found out that if a bunch of soldiers are sitting around with noone to conquer, they're liable to stage a few coups just for entertainment. Or at least they did in those days. I guess these days they could just fly home or watch TV or something.

 

Marney and GamenGiri's arguments

 

GG2K2 () if there's anything I learned here it's that you'd better know what you mean when you start dropping names with the intent to argue. Because I couldn't tell if you mean war was bad, (except you said otherwise) the draft is bad (which everyone agrees with) or both? Or just some wars? If you're gonna throw down w/ Marney, you need to be as concise as she is IMO. Or um just don't...

 

My theories?

* Vietnam was bad bad bad

 

* Iraq today is undecided. War is bad bad bad too but so is Iraq w/ NBC capabilties. And true they don't have missles to get the payload here but they have people.

 

* Draft = Unnecessary + Bad

 

* Bush as a person/president isn't BAD. It's his republican ADGENDA I dislike

 

*FK Teale needs to turn down the Ad Hominum bullshit just a skitch.

[Guest Gamengiri2002]

Ok, my last post on the subject...

 

This is what I was trying to say (over the course of three posts)

 

I am against the draft

 

I thought Marney was insulting people who fear the possibility of the draft and didn't know why?

 

I am not against all wars, I just don't want to fight in one.

 

I don't think the war on Iraq is particularly necessary and this stems from my opinions on the way we handled the Middle East for a half a century.

 

So, the thread evolved from me wanting to know why Marney was so blatantly hostile to people who feared the draft to my explanation for why Iraq doesn't strike me as a necessary war.

 

Initial intent can easily be lost, but I'm typing with conviction and an honest opinion and sometimes strong convictions can lead you astray, I apologize to any whom I have confused.

 

But not to those whom I have offended. I dont expect everyone to subscribe to my opinions (like Marney's offense at my attacks on Bush's policy and professional demeanor) but I'll be damned if dissenting opinion will change them.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Thanks, GG2002. Much easier for me to respond courteously now.

 

Hunger, Medical Care, The pointlessly expensive war on fucking drugs.

Considering the fact that I regularly see homeless people weighing 300+ lbs, and I know that 200 lb welfare mothers can feed 12 kids while living on the dole, while 300 thousand people die every year as a result of obesity, and a majority of the population is overweight, I remain unconvinced that hunger is a real problem in the United States. Chrissakes, you can get more calories than you need in an entire day for $1.99 at Burger King. Panhandlers can and do make thirty times that no problem.

Medical care - yup, we overdo it - or were you making the opposite point? That we should spend more? I think we should spend less. I don't want my tax dollars to subsidise an 80 year-old's Viagra. It's not only ridiculous, it's ewky. That's one image I do not need in my head.

The "war on drugs" - yup. We should get rid of it tomorrow. No, we should have got rid of it decades ago. It's impracticable, immoral, and, I believe, unconstitutional. The government doesn't need to regulate what anyone chooses to drink, smoke, sniff, inject, or whatever. We should give people information about the risks, and then we should back off. Your body, you choose, and you deal with the consequences. Brain damage 10 years down the road? Lung cancer? Kidney failure? Too fucking bad. Pay the bills yourself.

 

All that aside, domestic problems are a secondary concern for me. Whatever the state of the economy, Medicare, or anything else, it's far more dangerous to allow evil men who want to kill us and destroy our country to possess weapons of mass destruction. Why? Because they've expressly stated that they want to destroy us all. Not one, not two, but 240 million. Allowing them to develop or possess the capability to do that is unacceptable, no matter which way you cut it. And according to our intelligence services (which are the best in the world, no matter what they might have missed) Saddam Hussein could easily have that capability in five short years, perhaps even as soon as 2005. He already has biological and chemical weapons in his arsenal. He might well have smallpox samples. One vial of that in a New York City subway during rush hour, and you'll have a disaster that'll make the AIDS epidemic look like cold and flu season.

 

I'm not willing to wait to be proven right.

[Guest Gamengiri2002]

This is the kind of thread (not topical-but in how it is carried out) that should carry over into the wrestling folders. No one is trying to belittle anyone else. Just talking through their opinions. Seems to be a little more efficient. If this popped up more often my post count might rise.

 

I dunno, I felt this discussion needed closure.

[Guest LooseCannon]

Please. The wrestling folders suck. Who wants to sit around and pretend wrestling isn't a low-brow form of entertainment with a bunch of little kids? I'm only just now realizing that I don't ever really want to have a serious discussion about wrestling. Don't ask me what I'm doing here, because I don't know.

[Guest fk teale]

FK Teale, You have great talent as a writer and I love your use of metaphor and colorful adjectives to insult. However, for the most part you are as lacking in substance as those you rail against for being non-substantive.  I know it can be tough, but I have found in my many years the best way to blow somebody out of the water is not with insults but with irrefutable facts. You could use your substantial talents in a much more useful fashion.

 

 

...

 

 

Dear Sir/Madam,

 

Thank you for your helpful suggestions, to which I shall now endeavor to respond.

 

I have not criticized anyone here for being non-substantive.

 

My recent reply to EricMM was comprised of irrefutable facts. Principal among these were the fact that he is a bossy woman, the fact that he had a bad idea, and the fact that he burst into tears when I told him so. I provided supporting evidence and analysis for these assessments. Were you confused by my post?

 

I am unsure as to whether you enjoy my writing style or believe that it's empty unengaging rhetoric which should be revised into accordance with your own far more enjoyable idiom of a community college business english professor browbeating his balky students.

 

In conclusion: what?

 

Warmest regards,

fk teale

[Guest fk teale]

Thats kind of what I was thinking as I read my FIRST FLAME EVER!!  I really wanted to respond but I could never make something that well crafted, I don't even know how to make links like that.

 

But use your powers for good FK Teale!  For GOOD!  And you are NOT better than me... (and I've never ever liked, read, seen, enjoyed, um appreciated, sponsored, or PARROTED Rosie O'Donnell.  She's loud and annoying)

 

* Draft = Unnecessary + Bad

 

*FK Teale needs to turn down the Ad Hominum bullshit just a skitch.

EricMM: I constantly go on tirades against people whose choice of invective demeans homosexual men!

fk teale: You're a one man fag parade with a pacifier up your queerhole.

EricMM: I GREATLY ADMIRE YOUR VERBAL CRAFTSMANSHIP GOOD SIR

 

Which is about where the entertainment ends and the backpedaling begins and I'm going back to my Water Closet demo because its kaleidoscope of toilets (and the anime wenches who love them) was less ridiculous and full of shit. Compulsory service sounds like a cool idea until I take you to task for it, at which point you suddenly decide you've always been against the draft? Ugh. It's pretty much immaterial at this point whether you own up to borrowing your patronizing IT'S OKAY AND NORMAL TO HAVE TWO MOMMIES garbage from Miss O'Donnell's cupcake-stuffed craw, since apparently you'll bend over for absolutely anything and anyone! Hooray!

 

Also it's "ad hominem" and you have no spine.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Okay, I'll throw in my girlfriend's '65 Thunderbird as part of the dowry.

[Guest DrTom]

Hell, I'd marry you for a '65 T'bird.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I'm sure you would, but why the hell would I marry you?

[Guest J*ingus]

Hey, I'd marry you just for the bragging rights.

 

Other guy: "I was in 'Nam for two tours!"

Me: "So what, I'm married to MARNEY!"

Other guy: "Really?!"

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

Okay, I'll throw in my girlfriend's '65 Thunderbird as part of the dowry.

This explains a lot.

[Guest Vagabond]

I am unsure as to whether you enjoy my writing style or believe that it's empty unengaging rhetoric which should be revised into accordance with your own far more enjoyable idiom of a community college business english professor browbeating his balky students.

 

In conclusion: what?

 

Warmest regards,

fk teale

You have the ability to write well, however you waste the talent being a small minded ass, trying to impress those far too easily impressed. Perhaps someday you will grow up and quit wasting your time.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Hands up, everyone who thinks Vagabond will die a virgin.

[Guest EricMM]

I couldn't care less about Vagabond's sex life, or anyone elses here for that matter.

 

The fact is, Vagabond is 100% right. In his posts to me about the draft fk teale has both ignored what I was saying and avoided making any kind of point in lieu of making a pretty flame to get a pop out of some of the posters.

 

Whoop dee doo.

 

You push bullshit that you have no proof for and I don't know why you do it. Do you enjoy it? Does it make you feel special to know that you've got the asshole seal of approval? Or do you really think your paragraph long namecalling makes you look good? It makes you look irrelevent. You sound like a Jerry Springer guest with longer words. Someone disagrees with you and you spout insults, never defending your own view. People like you trade their dignity for fame. People will watch, but there's no respect.

 

All IMO of course.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Oh, for chrissakes Eric, get a sense of humour and lose this pathetic tone of wounded indignation. You made a dumb suggestion and someone made fun of you. Stuff your pride in your shoe and get over it.

[Guest EricMM]

I was going to ignore it but he opened his mouth again and again.

 

Who is gonna sit by and be FKT's plaything?

 

Not me.

[Guest Insanityman]

I'd like to personally divert the subject back to the draft.

 

 

First off, I doubt it'll come back for now. But God forbid we get into another war and I'm eighteen at that time period, I wouldn't become a Canuck. I'd stay in and gamble my chances. Really, I wouldn't fight for the patriotism or anything like that... but more to protect every single person (even the "anarchists") from becoming hurt. Heh, I know... I like punk and rock (go ahead and chew me out for that already, eh?) so I may have some biased views, from the lyrics or whatever devil worshiping some of you may think come from punk, about the USA government.

 

I can't fathom the thought of dying at 18, and for Christ sake's at war. I doubt I'd make a good solider, but I'd fight. Death doesn't bluntly scare me as it used too, so it's not as much as I'm afraid of becoming an army man/boy (if you will)... but I'm not enrolling when WWIII comes rolling around.

 

Other words, I'd stay and fight, but only because I'm American and I do owe the country (and more the people) something.

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[Guest Chris "the chin"]

Is the draft coming back?

 

No.

 

So don't even worry about it.

[Guest KoR Fungus]

<<<Or do you really think your paragraph long namecalling makes you look good? It makes you look irrelevent.>>>

 

Nah, it makes him look good, because the flames are so damn funny. And you're overreacting. This is just a message board discussion, it has no meaning whatsoever, so you shouldn't take it so seriously.

 

<<< I was going to ignore it but he opened his mouth again and again.>>>

 

Which, of course, is the point. He's trying to get a reaction out of you, and he's succeeding.

 

<<<Who is gonna sit by and be FKT's plaything?>>>

 

Well, apparently you, as you're doing exactly what he wants by replying to each of his posts with an increasingly emotional response. He's probably just sitting back and laughing at you for taking everything so seriously. Just ignore him and move on...

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Who is gonna sit by and be FKT's plaything?

Oooh, oooh. <raises her hand> Play with me, baby!

[Guest Frank Zappa Mask]

<<<The "war on drugs" - yup. We should get rid of it tomorrow. No, we should have got rid of it decades ago. It's impracticable, immoral, and, I believe, unconstitutional. The government doesn't need to regulate what anyone chooses to drink, smoke, sniff, inject, or whatever. We should give people information about the risks, and then we should back off. Your body, you choose, and you deal with the consequences. Brain damage 10 years down the road? Lung cancer? Kidney failure? Too fucking bad. Pay the bills yourself.>>>

 

-One more further sign of the Apocalypse: I agree with Marney on something 120%.

 

and fkteale, I've figured out something about you. Your posts are like a 25-minute keyboard solo by a part-time member of Yes or Asia or ELP. Starts off boring, then it gets even more boring that it transcends the English language itself. If you need help jerking yourself off, cut the Im Smarter Than You Because I Have a Fellowship at Yale act and just ask.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

If you need help jerking yourself off ...just ask.

Pick me! Pick me! Pick me!

[Guest Frank Zappa Mask]

Further words (meaningless in their essence) to describe the art of fkteale, coming from the book Tibet's Great Yoga: Milarepa by W.Y Evans-Wentz. A link for all those interested:

 

http://www.kagyu.org/karmapa/kag/kag05.html

 

"But in modern Tibetan works (or modern pro-wrestling message boards to bring us up-to date), the authors seem to be aiming more at dazzling and also puzzling their reader by their display of skill in framing cryptic, yet at the same time impeccably correct and grammatical sentences, with a view to arousing the reader's awe and admiration at their learning, than in setting down a plain tale in plain words that shall reach the reader's minds in the simplest and most direct manner"

 

In other words, 25-minute keyboard solos suck, teale. Stick to a nice 2-minute Clash song and you might be more people's speed......

[Guest J*ingus]

FZM, you're being like a guy who just lost a boxing match by knockout, and then complains about the guy's fighting style and how you really should've won.

[Guest fk teale]

In his posts to me about the draft fk teale has both ignored what I was saying and avoided making any kind of point in lieu of making a pretty flame to get a pop out of some of the posters.

I totally love how the only reason anyone could possibly make fun of you is because they're looking to IMPRESS PEOPLE with their FORUM KUNG-FU. Lord knows it couldn't have anything to do with you plumbing the unplumbed depths of stupid. What with pats on the back being a human right, there has to something wrong with me for commiting the horrible crime of refusing to validate your idea. I've taken away your award for super keen achievement in the field of self-expression! There's an awful blank spot on your trapper keeper where that gold star sticker should be! You're confused. Your chin starts to tremble. Let's avert this tragedy in the making.

 

It's true that your comical babyheaded fit brings a smile to my face and a clap to my hands, but I'm not posting just to get a reaction. I'm not a troll. When I post, it's to sincerely argue a point that I don't see anyone else making. Do you honestly think anyone would give a fat fuck, myself included, if I were really wandering through the forums with a chinese menu of generic insults, adding adjectives from column A to nouns from column B, and posting the results to random threads I chose by singing MICKEY MOUSE BUILT A HOUSE as I scanned the topic headings? If I manage to be at all entertaining, and whether I do or not is certainly up for debate, it's because I have a valid point and I've presented it well. After which, I'll say again, reactions are gravy. Granted, I'm totally delighted and swooning that I'm getting propositioned by a jetsetting superspy ice maiden who's touched about a metric ton more boobies than you have (Confidential to Marney: CAN YOU COOK??). This is because I'm happy if people whose posts I enjoy happen to enjoy my posts as well. But you don't see me gladhanding around the forum trying to maintain everyone's good impression of me. I do, however, see you throwing a big slobbery tantrum because someone made you look ridiculous. One of us is certainly obsessing over INTERNET CELEBRITY, and here's a hint: it's the one who brought up the concept in a totally serious manner in the first place and didn't even have the good sense to be embarrassed about it.

 

You push bullshit that you have no proof for ... never defending your own view.

 

Proof? Bluh, duh, etc. You folded like a lawn chair, twink. Read my last post. Are the letters resolving into words for you? do you understand those words and how they go together? CHING CHONG WING WONG? is any of this getting through? When you say one thing and then do a complete 180 as soon as anyone calls you on it, that's pretty sound proof that you're a pussy. And your counterargument is to wrap yourself securely around a tampon and bleed? Genius.

 

As for defending my own view, what the fuck do you want? A complete ontological foundation for why indentured servitude is a bad thing, when it's self-evident to begin with? I'm starting to think you and Vagabond won't be happy until you've sucked the entertainment value out of every thread and mummified the corpses in footnotes. Maybe you'd like a dispassionate, philisophical reaction to how you've appointed yourself language police and draft board rolled into one, but you're not going to get one, for much the same reason that you'll never hear a bowlful of diarrhea discussed in polite, tasteful terms. YOU'RE A HORRIBLE CATERWAULING MANCHILD WHO'S UP PAST HIS BEDTIME. I can't put a bowtie on a dog's ass.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

(Confidential to Marney: CAN YOU COOK??)

Um, I poured some milk on my Frosted Flakes this morning. <g> Sorry. I usually subsist on a diet of coffee, Guinness, and cigarettes; my cooking skills extend to giving orders to waiters. (I can pronounce "brioche" really well.)

[Guest EricMM]

You folded like a lawn chair, twink

 

The reason I "folded" was because I didn't REALLY care about the fucking roman draft thing anyways. It was like... a offhand comment spawned from a conversation in Latin class. It was not some grand idea for American government.

 

I couldn't give a flying fuck if you didn't validate my idea.

I totally love how the only reason anyone could possibly make fun of you is because they're looking to IMPRESS PEOPLE with their FORUM KUNG-FU. Lord knows it couldn't have anything to do with you plumbing the unplumbed depths of stupid.

If you thought I was being stupid you'd address my idea and not me.

What with pats on the back being a human right, there has to something wrong with me for commiting the horrible crime of refusing to validate your idea. I've taken away your award for super keen achievement in the field of self-expression! There's an awful blank spot on your trapper keeper where that gold star sticker should be! You're confused. Your chin starts to tremble. Let's avert this tragedy in the making.

I do think that respect is a human right, why don't you? Do you even see how much of this paragraph is meant to be an insult? And you say you're not a troll?

 

If I manage to be at all entertaining, and whether I do or not is certainly up for debate, it's because I have a valid point and I've presented it well.

I don't recall you EVER making a valid point in response to any topic without it containing an insult to someone else. I know what DrTom, Marney, RobEDangerously, KoRFungus, Jingus, and others vague ideologies are because they do. ALL I read from you are insults..

 

here's a hint: it's the one who brought up the concept in a totally serious manner in the first place and didn't even have the good sense to be embarrassed about it.

That was sarcasm/derision for the term. I do care what people do, be it in person or in a message board. Similarly I'm disgusted by people who get by on insulting other people to get over. Do you actually enjoy making people feel bad?

 

Proof? Bluh, duh, etc. You folded like a lawn chair, twink. Read my last post. Are the letters resolving into words for you? do you understand those words and how they go together? CHING CHONG WING WONG? is any of this getting through?

I think its funny you said that, because when I was reading your post at first I was just scanning looking for something worth reading besides uuhh calling me a preschooler, uuh calling me a vagina... It's white noise sometimes.

As for defending my own view, what the fuck do you want? A complete ontological foundation for why indentured servitude is a bad thing, when it's self-evident to begin with?

Finally he says something about something. For the record I actually mostly agree with you. Like I said I'm against the draft, I brought up this topic in the same way I would bring up ideas like having a president for more than 4 years or electing one based on merit. They're not GOOD or LAWFUL or MY ideas, they're just interesting, because they're different.

 

I'm starting to think you and Vagabond won't be happy until you've sucked the entertainment value out of every thread and mummified the corpses in footnotes. Maybe you'd like a dispassionate, philisophical reaction to how you've appointed yourself language police and draft board rolled into one,

Of course not, why would we post here in the first place? The only thing I've ever vehemently spoken against is people who try to make other people feel like idiots or freaks, PERIOD.