Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted August 21, 2002 ...Deion Sanders: While he was a great cover corner, I just couldn't wait for when he'd try and "tackle" a running back and look like the world's biggest pussy." Who cared if Sanders couldn't tackle. He didn't need too. His job was to shutdown the other teams best receiver and take away half the field. More times than not he did that. There is plenty of reasons to hate Deion but his poor tackling skills aren't one of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 21, 2002 How are the Cardinals heels? They have a loyal fanbase, a not too high payroll and are an organisation not run by incompetence- They sound like babyfaces to me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted August 21, 2002 ...Deion Sanders: While he was a great cover corner, I just couldn't wait for when he'd try and "tackle" a running back and look like the world's biggest pussy." Who cared if Sanders couldn't tackle. He didn't need too. His job was to shutdown the other teams best receiver and take away half the field. More times than not he did that. There is plenty of reasons to hate Deion but his poor tackling skills aren't one of them. Yeah, there are more reasons, I just didn't have the time or inclination to say them. I also think he's an egotistical blowhard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Hijo Del Lunatic Report post Posted August 21, 2002 The Lakers - Not really hating the Lakers as much as I hate Shaq. He's fat. Every move to the basket he makes is an offensive foul. I didn't really hate Kobe til the All-Star game, at which point he took about 30 shots. No wonder he got MVP. Pass the ball, junior. I feel like sending him a copy of the old Nike fun police commercial. But yet again, these guys don't whine. Probably because they get all the calls, but I digress. I'll give you that Shaq's fat, but the ol' "every move he makes is an offensive foul" argument is both bullshit and passé. Other people do the things that he does, it's just that when he puts his shoulder into someone, they MOVE. If you're going to call it on Shaq, then you're going to have to call it whenever Karl Malone or Chris Webber does it against smaller power forwards. As for getting all the calls, they do. At home. On the road, they don't. Need proof? Games 5 & 6 of the Western Conference finals. The Lakers got every call down the stretch at Staples in Game 5, but every big call went the Kings' way at Arco the next game. The Yankees - I hate the Yankees because of the whole "buying every player" thing, but I hold a certain amount of respect for the fact they just play baseball. No names on the uniforms, no whining. But Roger Clemens has sold his soul, Andy Pettite looks like and is the devil, and I would cry if I ever met Joe Torre in a back alley. They don't buy EVERY player. I have no problems with the Clemens signing, or the Giambi signing for that matter. It's when the Yankees go and get a guy like Jose Canseco to platoon at DH, or take on millions of dollars' worth of Jeff Weaver's contract to let him be a glorified middle reliever that I personally have problems with that. But why should I even get pissed off about that if MLB is going to let the Yankees get away with it? Hell, if the Red Sox could do that, they would. Trust me. WASHINGTON REDSKINS - Petty I know, but where Spurrier goes, my hatred follows. Pity too, I kinda liked Washington. Like a Tennessee shirt says: "Will Rogers said he never met a man he didn't like. He never met Steve Spurrier!" No problem, you don't have to apologize. I'm a pretty big Redskins fan, but I'm not Steve Spurrier's biggest fan either. The 'Skins just aren't built to throw the ball 50 times a game. Norv Turner figured that out in 1999, Marty Schottenheimer figured that out around Week 6 last year, and I don't know that Spurrier's going to realize that for a while. Or maybe he's just too stubborn. God only knows. The St. Louis Rams - I dont like the way they play the game. They play this hap-hazard style that seems to be predicated on the fact that they are so good that they can get away with it (i.e. buring time outs and replay challenges unnecessarily). You know what, though? You can't argue with their success. Their talent level is above and beyond most teams' in the NFL, and I think that lets them get away with stuff like burning timeouts. You watch them, though, and their challenges are AGGRESSIVE ones. Their coaching staff has a very aggressive mindset, and that fits in well with their personnel. As for their swagger, well ... they've won a Super Bowl and made it to another in three years of "parity", so you'd think they have reason to be a bit cocky about the things they do. NY sports teams in general: Granted, I'm a huge Curtis Martin fan, but dammit, I just can't stand when some of the NY bandwagon riders start spewing about how they are so much better than everyone else, especially the wagon-riding Yankee fans. The REAL Yankee fans don't irritate me at all. Oh, and Allan Houston is an overpaid piece of garbage. Especially since most New York teams are managed by chimpanzees. Outside of the Yankees, there really isn't an amazingly solid front office in the Big Apple. The Jets are borderline retarded and lucky, nobody can seem to figure out what's wrong with the Giants, the Knicks are the most horribly run franchise in all of sports right now, and the Rangers and Isles can't get on track consistently either. Who cared if Sanders couldn't tackle. He didn't need too. His job was to shutdown the other teams best receiver and take away half the field. More times than not he did that. There is plenty of reasons to hate Deion but his poor tackling skills aren't one of them. Sure they are. When a vast majority of people think "best cornerback of all time", they think Deion. But why? He was ridiculously one-dimensional. My friend said that he changed the game of football forever, because teams threw away from him. But people didn't throw at Rod Woodson, either. To me, Rod Woodson did it all - covered well, had great hands, and tackled well enough (and hit hard enough) to get moved to safety to prolong his career. He did everything Deion did, and more, but since he generally kept his mouth shut and played the game, he was overlooked. And there are five or six guys that cover as well as Deion RIGHT NOW. You can't honestly tell me that Charles Woodson can't do everything that Deion could do in his prime, and tackle people to boot. Deion just spit out so much bullshit about how great he was that people bought into it. True story - I went to a bar on Monday night, wearing a Redskins shirt and hat, and had fifteen drunken assholes chanting "Redskins suck!" at me every time I went to refill the pitcher. I finally walked over to them and said, "let me guess, you guys are Eagles fans, right?" One guy responded, "Yeah ... so what?" "Just checking," was my reply. All was right with the world. Fucking goddamned pieces of shit mutants throwing batteries like they were their own feces and cheering career-ending injuries. But when they lose? Not a peep. Jackasses. LUNATIC - Pimpin' ho's and clockin' a grip like my name was Dolemite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 21, 2002 They don't buy EVERY player. I have no problems with the Clemens signing, or the Giambi signing for that matter. It's when the Yankees go and get a guy like Jose Canseco to platoon at DH, or take on millions of dollars' worth of Jeff Weaver's contract to let him be a glorified middle reliever that I personally have problems with that. But why should I even get pissed off about that if MLB is going to let the Yankees get away with it? Hell, if the Red Sox could do that, they would. Trust me. The Canseco thing was a waiver mistake- they claimed Canseco figuring Tampa would pull him back- Tamap didn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rabbi_wilson13 Report post Posted August 21, 2002 The Cardinals are faces, I guess, leaning towards tweener. Not heel, though. Deion may not be heel to me, but when's he on NFL Today going to commercial plugging his next segment, I want to shoot him. Every call went the King's way in Game 6?! Are you freaking kidding me? Did you watch that game? That was screaming "We're getting Game Seven out of this even if you little rascals should be winning in 6". My ass the Lakers didn't get every call. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 21, 2002 The Cardinals are faces, I guess, leaning towards tweener. Not heel, though. Deion may not be heel to me, but when's he on NFL Today going to commercial plugging his next segment, I want to shoot him. Every call went the King's way in Game 6?! Are you freaking kidding me? Did you watch that game? That was screaming "We're getting Game Seven out of this even if you little rascals should be winning in 6". My ass the Lakers didn't get every call. Deion is a heel- as a long suffering Saints fan- I wouldn't mind kicking him in the balls. Yea I know he played for the Braves- but still. I still don't see the heel thing for the Cardinals. They seem like faces to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted August 21, 2002 They don't buy EVERY player. I have no problems with the Clemens signing, or the Giambi signing for that matter. It's when the Yankees go and get a guy like Jose Canseco to platoon at DH, or take on millions of dollars' worth of Jeff Weaver's contract to let him be a glorified middle reliever that I personally have problems with that. But why should I even get pissed off about that if MLB is going to let the Yankees get away with it? Hell, if the Red Sox could do that, they would. Trust me. The Sox have. Witness Jose Offerman, Tony Clark, Troy O'Leary, and Mike Lansing. Most heeldom as it regards teams can be summed up as, "they're trying to beat my team." I don't hate the Yankees for any reason other then they keep winning. Same for the Lakers. And I maintain that if you have a list of 10 or more athletes that you absolutely hate, then the problem is probably on your end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted August 21, 2002 Who cared if Sanders couldn't tackle. He didn't need too. His job was to shutdown the other teams best receiver and take away half the field. More times than not he did that. There is plenty of reasons to hate Deion but his poor tackling skills aren't one of them. Sure they are. When a vast majority of people think "best cornerback of all time", they think Deion. But why? He was ridiculously one-dimensional. My friend said that he changed the game of football forever, because teams threw away from him. But people didn't throw at Rod Woodson, either. To me, Rod Woodson did it all - covered well, had great hands, and tackled well enough (and hit hard enough) to get moved to safety to prolong his career. He did everything Deion did, and more, but since he generally kept his mouth shut and played the game, he was overlooked. And there are five or six guys that cover as well as Deion RIGHT NOW. You can't honestly tell me that Charles Woodson can't do everything that Deion could do in his prime, and tackle people to boot. Deion just spit out so much bullshit about how great he was that people bought into it. Why is he one dimensional. His hands where fine. He was one of the best Punt Returners of all time. His tackling wasn't great but he was decent enough taking into consideration shutting down the other teams top receiver was what he was supposed to do. IMO...Sanders was the best CB of all time. Honestly, no I don't think any CB today has the cover skills Sanders had in his prime. Guys like Woodson (health) and Bailey are excellent and may some day be just has good or better. Oh and by the way Sanders the player never really bothered me, however Deion the broadcaster is terrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gwf0704 Report post Posted August 22, 2002 Barry Bonds - Always been an a--hole in my opinion but his last comment about fans complaining about the upcoming strike with saying "I'ts not my fault you dont play baseball" really cemented it. Roger Clemens - Hides behind the fact that in the AL pitchers dont have to bat thus he can be as intimidating as he wants to be. Lets see him try his crap in Arizona against a real bad ass like Randy Johnson, who at least bats and still scares the hell out of opposing players when he pitches. Shaquille O Neal - Hate the fake image that he loves children when the majority of the time he cant be bothered and the fact that him banging into the paint is a defensive foul when it is clearly an offensive foul! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dangerous A Report post Posted August 22, 2002 I concur with Kobe Bryant. He is such a pissant. No one mentioned my favorite sports heel, Albert Belle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted August 22, 2002 Ok here we go, Dallas Cowboys: this will be a life-long hatred because I am a die-hard Redskins fan. So my hate for the Silver & Blue is obvious Los Angeles Lakers: I hate those guys, they beat my fav team The Kings in the playoffs AGAIN....next year we're taking it though. Yankees & Mariners: I hate the Yankees just because they keep winning and beating my Oakland A's, and I hate how the Mariners just suddenly got all these fans. Bud Selig: He doesn't do anything, he just sits back and lets chaos ensue, easily a worse commisioner than David Stern and Paul Tauglibue. My last selection would have to be fake-injury tweeners, that might have a paper cut on their finger, and play it up like it is a broken spine, in order to make themselves look better when they perform well in a game. I would point to a Kurt Warner "thumb injury" and a Kobe Bryant "food poisoning" instance as some bullshit or total TWEENING Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dangerous A Report post Posted August 22, 2002 Especially Kobe Bryant because the word around town is that it wasn't food poisoning that made him sick in the WCF, but a bad hangover from overpartying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Olympic Slam Report post Posted August 22, 2002 Jason Giambi pulled off one heck of a heel turn. - He left his team of scrappy youngesters that he led into battle to join up with not just any team, the Yankees. The A's arch rival the past two years and posterchild for rich vs. poor in sports. In addition to "selling out" to the rich team, he changed the way he dressed, changed the way he talked, and changed his uniform # to 25 (the number of good friend and former A's player Mark McGwire who also left for a richer baseball town.) It's a heck of a heel turn if you think about it, reminds me of when someone would take the money and side with Ted Dibiase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DerangedHermit Report post Posted August 22, 2002 - Lakers (the Bulls complex) - Braves/Yankees (I'm a Mets fan.) - Jeromy Burnitz (.205? Rey F'N Ordoñez is hitting 50 points higher!) - Flyers, Devils and Islanders (less the Isles, tho) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rabbi_wilson13 Report post Posted August 22, 2002 Oooo yeah, Giambi was a bastard about that. There's a letter in the one SI about how two years ago Giambi was on the cover as the future of baseball, flowing hair, cut-off shirt, wild goatee. A year later, he's prim and proper and leading Steinbrenner's mindless army into October. He might as well had a press conference where he said he was staying with the A's, then nailed the Oakland GM with a baseball bat and tore off his shirt to reveal a Yankee jersey while "New York, New York" blared. God, the Sports Guy rocks all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 22, 2002 - Lakers (the Bulls complex) - Braves/Yankees (I'm a Mets fan.) - Jeromy Burnitz (.205? Rey F'N Ordoñez is hitting 50 points higher!) - Flyers, Devils and Islanders (less the Isles, tho) The Islanders are in no way heels- They remind me of Virgil who took all this shit for so long and now are starting to fight back by becoming more aggressive. But I hate their fucking guts. :-) Giambi turned on WCW and joined the nWo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest meanmaisch Report post Posted August 22, 2002 Sports Heels the Philly edition Bobby Clarke Dallas Green Travis Lee Allen Iverson Derrick Coleman J.D. Drew Scott Rolen Rich Kotite Bill Giles Phillies Management David Montgomery Ed Wade Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 22, 2002 Sports Heels the Philly edition Bobby Clarke Dallas Green Travis Lee Allen Iverson Derrick Coleman J.D. Drew Scott Rolen Rich Kotite Bill Giles Phillies Management David Montgomery Ed Wade Gotta disagree with Rolen- He gave up a shitload of money to go after a ring. I can dig that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DerangedHermit Report post Posted August 22, 2002 Yankees are super-mega-uber-ultra-duper heels, especially Giambi and Clemens. Torre and Don Zimmer are Patterson and Brisco. Steinbrenner is Vinnie Mac. Giambi and Clemens are the 2-Man Power Trip. There's only one Yankee I like: Robin Ventura (who can hate him?) My favorite memory of him (as a Met) was during a rain-delayed Mets-Yankees game where the tarp was covered with a pond of water and Ventura took Piazza's jersey and eye black, made a Piazza goatee and ran the bases just like Piazza. He slid into second, making a huge wave in the process. You can call him the Kurt Angle of the Yankees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 22, 2002 Yankees are super-mega-uber-ultra-duper heels, especially Giambi and Clemens. Torre and Don Zimmer are Patterson and Brisco. Steinbrenner is Vinnie Mac. Giambi and Clemens are the 2-Man Power Trip. There's only one Yankee I like: Robin Ventura (who can hate him?) My favorite memory of him (as a Met) was during a rain-delayed Mets-Yankees game where the tarp was covered with a pond of water and Ventura took Piazza's jersey and eye black, made a Piazza goatee and ran the bases just like Piazza. He slid into second, making a huge wave in the process. You can call him the Kurt Angle of the Yankees. Grand slam single. God I hate Ventura. :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DerangedHermit Report post Posted August 22, 2002 God I hate Ventura. :-) God I hate Kenny Rogers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 22, 2002 The day after Game 6 I spent all day going up to my best friend (Mets fan) and going- Rogers with the pitch...AND HE WALKED HIM! God I'm a fucktard. Game 6 fucking rocked though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted August 22, 2002 Oh Yah, I forgot to mention Jason Giambi. Now when McGwire left my A's I wasn't as hurt because for one, it was a trade, and two, he just wanted to move on to a winning team and a town that loved baseball more than Oakland(worst town easily for baseball fans) The A's were like 90-game losers when he left. Now when Giambi left, he left something special, the A's were the YOUNGEST, most talented team in the league. Look at the A's right now in first place without him, kind of reminds me of the Mariners losing Griffey, and A-rod yet getting better the following years. It just makes me wonder how good we would be had Giambi's punk-ass not left. And I highly doubt the Yankees are winning it all this year. Giambi went to New York to win, but he was already in an organization that was WINNING. yah it may take a couple more years for the A's to go "all the way" but we have the potential to do it this year, barring a strike....... Oh and as far as Kurt Warner goes. I think in his case it is more the media hamming his thumb thing up.....I mean seriously, if your thumb is THAT BAD, you just wouldn't be playing that well. It is like they are making excuses for him ALREADY, just in case he gets knocked back to earth this year..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted August 22, 2002 Sports Heels the Philly edition Bobby Clarke Dallas Green Travis Lee Allen Iverson Derrick Coleman J.D. Drew Scott Rolen Rich Kotite Bill Giles Phillies Management David Montgomery Ed Wade I like Rolen & AI. I'm surprised you didn't put Lindros on that list (whom I still like, also) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted August 22, 2002 I don't think Ed Wade belongs on that list either. He turned John Mabry into JEREMY GIAMBI. And Bobby Abreu was aquired for the low low price of Kevin Stocker. Plus the farm system is the best its been in 20 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nl5xsk1 Report post Posted August 22, 2002 As a Bruins fan, I've got to say Jerry Jacobs. That cheap prick perfected the Evil Owner image back when Vince was still an announcer. Is there a chance that a team that has Bourque and Neely - both in their prime - will make a move to get that one additional player to get them over the top and win the cup? Is there a chance that a team will make an offer to a 41 goal scorer rather than let them leave to Dallas? Is there a chance that I'm getting season tickets again? There's no chance in hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DerangedHermit Report post Posted August 22, 2002 Also....... - Fran Healy. One of the worst announcers besides some of them on FOX. - Bobby Bonilla. In the early '90's, I hated him. In the late '90's, I loathed him. - Alan "I'm not your bud." Selig and Donald Fehr. Too obvious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest starvenger Report post Posted August 22, 2002 Roger Clemens - Hides behind the fact that in the AL pitchers dont have to bat thus he can be as intimidating as he wants to be. Lets see him try his crap in Arizona against a real bad ass like Randy Johnson, who at least bats and still scares the hell out of opposing players when he pitches. I think Johnson scares the fans sitting behind the fenching behind home plate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest meanmaisch Report post Posted August 22, 2002 Rolen will always be considered a heel by most Phillies fans because he just didn't want to be in Philly. I personally think he's great and I can totally understand why he wanted to leave. Wade is doing the best he can with what he is given, but he always presents himself in a way that makes the fanbase think he is just a mouthpiece for the front office. It seems like he is content to make the smallest, most meaningless deals, rather than making deals that matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites