What DID Brock do to earn the title?

[Guest chirs3]

Oof. I guess memory didn't serve.

[Guest CanadianChick]

. Name ONE show where Eddy left standing tall over Edge.

How about on Smackdown this week?

Did something happen after Eddy ran from Edge in horror when he was beating down Rikishi?

 

ALL heels run when someone comes in to even out the odds. Its just the nature of all heels, not just heels against Edge/

 

Yes, but Kurt's gimmick is that he's an arrogant prick. Edge's is not.

 

I know, I was overexaggerating to make a point...guess that point didn't really come across, eh?

[Guest Anglesault]

. Name ONE show where Eddy left standing tall over Edge.

How about on Smackdown this week?

Did something happen after Eddy ran from Edge in horror when he was beating down Rikishi?

 

ALL heels run when someone comes in to even out the odds. Its just the nature of all heels, not just heels against Edge/

Why even HAVE an Edge run in? Would it be SO Fucking hard to make it look like Eddy could have incapacitated Edge? Do you NEED to have Edge stand tall EVERY SHOW? What a one sided feud.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Actually..the face humilliating/beating down a non-HHH/Lesnar/Hoss heel happens WAY too often.

[Guest CanadianChick]

. Name ONE show where Eddy left standing tall over Edge.

How about on Smackdown this week?

Did something happen after Eddy ran from Edge in horror when he was beating down Rikishi?

 

ALL heels run when someone comes in to even out the odds. Its just the nature of all heels, not just heels against Edge/

Why even HAVE an Edge run in? Would it be SO Fucking hard to make it look like Eddy could have incapacitated Edge? Do you NEED to have Edge stand tall EVERY SHOW? What a one sided feud.

He wasn't humiliating Eddy or anythig..he was just being a good guy and helping out a fellow good guy

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

As a thought..they need to consider relationships a little better.

 

Not every face needs to run out to help another one. Granted, Benoit ran out to help Eddy..but they're a tag team, and have history.

 

Edge and Rikishi is just "random face helps random face".

[Guest CanadianChick]

As a thought..they need to consider relationships a little better.

 

Not every face needs to run out to help another one. Granted, Benoit ran out to help Eddy..but they're a tag team, and have history.

 

Edge and Rikishi is just "random face helps random face".

I know, but faces are suppose to be viruous and stuff so if Edge sees something unfair hapening, he tries to make things fair again

[Guest The Tino Standard]

I very much doubt that Brock will be a top guy for 20 years. Come on, be realistic

You don't think there were a few people in the AWA in 1979 saying the same thing about Hulk Hogan?

 

EDIT: My apologies... This was the first time I read this thread and I saw that quote and had to make a knee-jerk reaction... Apparently, there were a few others here that made the point for me before I got here.

[Guest Anglesault]

. Name ONE show where Eddy left standing tall over Edge.

How about on Smackdown this week?

Did something happen after Eddy ran from Edge iLn horror when he was beating down Rikishi?

 

ALL heels run when someone comes in to even out the odds. Its just the nature of all heels, not just heels against Edge/

Why even HAVE an Edge run in? Would it be SO Fucking hard to make it look like Eddy could have incapacitated Edge? Do you NEED to have Edge stand tall EVERY SHOW? What a one sided feud.

He wasn't humiliating Eddy or anythig..he was just being a good guy and helping out a fellow good guy

Look at it this way. They have their rematch on a PPV. It has been fermly established that Eddy can't do ANYTHING right. Edge has outsmarted him at every turn. Edge wins the match. So what? He just beat a guy that he has beat up or outsmarted for over a month. Eddy STILL looks like an incompetant boob. Eddy wins the match. Edge just lost to a man who couldn't even take him out ONE time. Eddy looks like a guy who got a fluke win, because if he can beat Edge, why hasn't he over the last month and a half? Is it THAT hard to let Eddy take Edge out one night? It also hurts Edge's chances of ever becoming a sympathetic babyface, because he NEVER looks bad.

[Guest Anglesault]

As a thought..they need to consider relationships a little better.

 

Not every face needs to run out to help another one. Granted, Benoit ran out to help Eddy..but they're a tag team, and have history.

 

Edge and Rikishi is just "random face helps random face".

I know, but faces are suppose to be viruous and stuff so if Edge sees something unfair hapening, he tries to make things fair again

They're also supposed to look like they have some kind of uphill battle to win. At this point, Eddy is basically some utterly useless moron who Edge just faces to pass time.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Brock is the exact epitome of everything the WWE wants people to buy into:

 

1. He's big

 

2. He's white

 

3. He's a WWE product

[Guest CanadianChick]

. Name ONE show where Eddy left standing tall over Edge.

How about on Smackdown this week?

Did something happen after Eddy ran from Edge iLn horror when he was beating down Rikishi?

 

ALL heels run when someone comes in to even out the odds. Its just the nature of all heels, not just heels against Edge/

Why even HAVE an Edge run in? Would it be SO Fucking hard to make it look like Eddy could have incapacitated Edge? Do you NEED to have Edge stand tall EVERY SHOW? What a one sided feud.

He wasn't humiliating Eddy or anythig..he was just being a good guy and helping out a fellow good guy

Look at it this way. They have their rematch on a PPV. It has been fermly established that Eddy can't do ANYTHING right. Edge has outsmarted him at every turn. Edge wins the match. So what? He just beat a guy that he has beat up or outsmarted for over a month. Eddy STILL looks like an incompetant boob. Eddy wins the match. Edge just lost to a man who couldn't even take him out ONE time. Eddy looks like a guy who got a fluke win, because if he can beat Edge, why hasn't he over the last month and a half? Is it THAT hard to let Eddy take Edge out one night? It also hurts Edge's chances of ever becoming a sympathetic babyface, because he NEVER looks bad.

I would have to disagree with you (surprise, surprise). It was not played up that it was a fluke win. It was played up that Eddy was smart to cheat. Actually, it kind of made Edge look stupid for attempting to hit Eddy with a chair in front of the ref.

[Guest Anglesault]

No I mean the match at the PPV will be porttayed a a fluke win because Eddy hasn't accomplished anything in this feud, so when he suddenly DOES win, it will come off as a fluke.

[Guest CanadianChick]

well, seein how they meet only twice 1-1, and both tag matches had endings where neither man pinned the other, i dont see where thsi fluke comes from

[Guest Brian]

Benoit's charisma, like all wrestlers charisma, is in his ability to take on characters in the ring. He can play the shooter. He can play the face in peril. He can work the crowd during a tag match. He can play that guys who gives it all out. Charisma is about more than just playing to the crowd, it's about reflecting a character in your ringwork. He has alot more to him than that. Plus he recognizes the little things that makes a heel a heel. When to cheat, when to pull back on the rope, when to let the face out. He's got a presence to him.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

IMO..Eddy is the better heel, simply because he can express himself both verbally, physically, and facial features. The only face Benoit seems to have is the "Gap Tooth Grin"

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Benoit NEEDS his mullet back - that right there is INSTANT charisma. His character was better in WCW, all he did was look cocky, raise his nose up a lil, wair a leather vest, have kick ass 4h tights, grizzled to the nines, and have a beautiful head of mullet and he was just great. I am glad he is doing the Anderson throat cut more.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

IMO..Eddy is the better heel, simply because he can express himself both verbally, physically, and facial features. The only face Benoit seems to have is the "Gap Tooth Grin"

I thought you said his only look is the "scowl".

 

Or has the story changed to better suit the point? Naaaaaaahhh, couldn't be.

[Guest nikowwf]

My take on champion Brock is this....

 

They have had so much sh*tty booking in the last year that everyone on the current roster had weaknesses. They were afraid to hotshot the current hot babyfaces (RVD and Edge) because they had hurt them before. They wanted to give them a slow build.

 

Brock had no prior history. They could book him however they wanted, and get him over as a monster. No one would say "this doesnt make sense, he lost to so and so before."

 

He also is a natural foil to Kurt Angle. A big goonish amateur wrestler. (as opposed to Kurt being an extremely talented smaller amateur wrestler.) Instead of putting Kurt in a position to fail, they are holding off on giving him the title again.

 

(Note: They better be planning on giving him the title down the line. Anything else is insane.)

 

So instead of stripping Brock of the title now and killing the credibility he has, as some people who hate him would like...ANGLESAULT =) (thats cool, id like to see Angle get the title too) they can build him into a monster heel who beats everyone, and then whoever goes over him (Edge, Angle, etc. and not HHH) will be a much bigger star for it.

 

My 2 cents.

 

Niko

[Guest TheHulkster]

For a different perspective on the situation, you have to look at the history and mentality of the promoters of Northestern Wrestling in general. For decades, the McMahon mentality has been to put the most visually impressive guy in the top slot. From Bruno Sammartino to Andre to Hogan to Warrior to Luger to Yokozuna to Diesel to The Undertaker to Sid, etc, etc, etc. It's all been based around the idea that none of the people on the roster could beat these huge, strong men and have the fans believe it. Therefore, ideally, these huge guys were custom built for the top of the card due to the fact that the bookers and promoters have this idea ingrained in their minds. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, but it's just the way it is and has been since the WWWF started in 1963. Do you think Vince thinks that Benoit can beat Brock Lesnar in a kayfabed sense believably? Or Eddie? Or Edge? Or RVD? Maybe Angle, Triple H, and the Undertaker are the exceptions, but Vince seems to have a set way of thinking. That thinking equates to Brock Lesnar being the world heavyweight champion. Like it or not that is the way it is, and if you haven't learned to deal with it throughout the past almost 50 years that the Northeast has been dominant and used this system, then I really don't know what to tell you.

[Guest Redhawk]

When I went to RAW and Smackdown in Seattle, Brock Lesnar was getting some big-time heel heat. What I'm thinking is maybe WWE is "turning down" the boos, just like everyone says they turn down the cheers for RVD. But the only reason I can think they'd do this is so the guy doesn't seem too popular too soon. Or, you know, since HHH is a heel now he wouldn't want anyone taking his top spot.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Well, I'd say this article pretty much explains it all:

 

"He's huge, right?" the reporter said of Lesnar, who will lead the circus that is pro wrestling to Target Center Sept. 10.

 

"Huge?" Robinson responded, almost incredulously. "Naw. He's massive. People look at him and are in awe. The first time I ever saw him my jaw dropped. His junior year, he won half of his matches before he ever entered the ring. Opponents took one look at those muscles and the match was over."

 

The Next Big Thing is bigger than big. To say you could hang a Rembrandt on Lesnar's back would minimize his proportions. His tattooed biceps, bursting through a sleeveless shirt, are larger than most big men's thighs.

 

He constantly refers to the WWE as "the company." And as imposing a physical specimen as he is, Lesnar said he often responds to his bosses with, "Yes, sir. What can I do for you today, sir?"

[Guest jester]

Well, I'd say this article pretty much explains it all:

Uh oh, mainstream attention.

 

Brock is going to be wearing gold for a long time.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

It's his hometown paper.

 

Kurt Angle had a big ol interview with his local paper too, and look where he is.

[Guest Anglesault]

He constantly refers to the WWE as "the company." And as imposing a physical specimen as he is, Lesnar said he often responds to his bosses with, "Yes, sir. What can I do for you today, sir?"

Get over, have a good match, earn the title...

[Guest Trivia247]

One note that Brock was getting Unusually mega pushed.. During the nWo vs Austin lumberjack match with the new member of the nWo took on Austin. When Brock got a hold of Austin he Beat the crap out of him before throwing him back in. Normally Lumberjacks get a few stomps or punches then toss the person in. But Brock was centered upon and given about a minute of Airtime in Beating up WWE's Top draw before throwing him back in...

[Guest HartFan86]

This makes no sense. You guys have a debate for 3 pages about what Brock does that makes him a worthy champion. It's so damn obvious, all you guys aren't seeing it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Icebaths. Period. End of discussion.

[Guest nikowwf]

BTW, its funny that you write "What did he do to earn the title?" Sounds very HHH'ish

 

"What did RVD do to earn the title? He wasn't here when we killed WCW"

 

I can imagine HHH saying that in a meeting.

 

Niko