Guest Dames Edna Report post Posted September 4, 2002 I want to know everyone's opinion on the controversial angle between Billy and Chuck. While many do not have a problem with this, I do. In no way do I have a problem with same sex marriages, but how Billy and Chuck have been portrayed to the fans will make this a negative angle. As a team, Billy and Chuck have only been exposed in a humorous sense. Their homosexuality has not been a thing of seriousness, but only has been done for comic relief. In a society of homophobia, the WWE should not be adding to the problem. It isn't a joke, it isn't something so trivial that they can turn it into a useless angle. Its a serious issue in todays society. This company has completely degenerated into hell just for ratings. In no way is someone gonna just tune into the show just to see a same sex couple tag team. More than likely people will turn it off because of they obtuseness. With this, the continous American bashing, the mysogynist female gimmick matches - the question has to be asked, how low will they go? Will you as fans voice your displeasure because of this? Or does this not bother you? I am curious to see the sentiment amongst hardcore fans. Maybe I am being too uptight, or politically correct. But I can see a MAJOR backlash regarding this angle in the weeks to come. Is it deserved? Well, its for everyone to decide Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 As long as we don't have skits about Billy bursting through Chucky's "ass hymen" I am ok. And yes I know there is no such thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Incandenza Report post Posted September 4, 2002 I honestly don't see this going in the direction you might think (that of them getting married). Still, it was stupid of them to try, as NO ONE AT ALL will be happy with the direction of this angle, regardless of where it goes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Psycho Diablo Report post Posted September 4, 2002 As with the pillow "match" monday..and the hymen thing..and Lawler.. I really wish they'd cut the stupid shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted September 4, 2002 I personally don't have a problem w/ the homosexual angle. I just think that if they are going to do such an asinine storyline they should have a couple of wrestlers who could actually pull it off. both billy and chuck are unconvincing as both wrestlers and homosexuals. this would have been the ideal situation for a tandem like lenny and lodi. while i can see your concern bdub, i don't think the angle will generate enough heat or interest from the fanbase to actually warrant a finish to the storyline. i think it goes the way of beaver cleavage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest imajackoff? Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Ahhh....a Too Much Redux. If they do go through with the marriage angle, the only way it can be pulled off with out being a complete mess is to make them babyfaces. Who should be the homophobic heel?...... hmmmmm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AnnieEclectic Report post Posted September 4, 2002 I hope so too. This offends me in many ways, only because B&C are not taken seriously enough for a gay marriage to be seen in a good light by anyone, including the gay community. It's not our fault that Patterson lived in the 50s, he shouldn't take out his repressed fantasies on us, embarassing the gay people living in this decade i.e. people like me. Bastard. -Annie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 I have no problem if this is ran as a gay comedy angle because it would be funny to me. Let me also say I have a gay soon to be cousin in law, a lesbian sister and a good friend that is gay. I say let it go and enjoy the comedy. They make fun of white trailer trash and technically I am white and I don't get in a huff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dames Edna Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Making fun, and/or critisizing white trash is much much much different than doing it to homosexuals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 No.. its a group of people that are a minority... homosexuals are a group of people that are a minority. How is it different pray tell? No difference in my opinon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Psycho Diablo Report post Posted September 4, 2002 I guess asking for well-written, intelligent storylines is too much to ask, eh? Since they've already swiped ECW for "Attitude" and WCW was swallowed whole.. Just pull the trigger, kick the current writing staff out, and get some people who know what they're doing in there. It dosen't have to be two hours of Crash TV and T&A..but just something that makes you want to CARE about the people involved. No stupid pantsing, or things like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted September 4, 2002 because you are comparing racial groups w/ sexual orientation. two different types of miorities. and judging from the fans in the stands at wwe events, white trash seems to be the majority! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 I would argue against that as up here in Seattle there is very little white trash. And a minority is a minority... are you saying minority because of sexual orientation is better and should be held to some loftier position than a racial minority? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dames Edna Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Ignorance towards homosexuals is more of a problem than that to white trash in todays society. Hence, why it is a bit more touchy feely than the Noble/Nidia angle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 I'm not ignorant. I just hold everyone equal. If its okay to make fun of white/black sterotypes then gays and lesbians are fair game. As well as old people... especially old people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AnnieEclectic Report post Posted September 4, 2002 whoa, let's make this clear here I have no problem with a gay comedy angle. Now, B&C suck at this too, but let's pretend they don't for this situation, because the WWE believes that too. I have no problem with a gay marriage angle. It's a hot topic in the gay community and under most circumstances would be rather pleased to see it in a good light. Problem is you're mixing the two where they shouldn't. Putting a crap comedy gay angle mixed with gay marriage = huge storm of backlash. Not for any one of the parts of the angle, but for the whole they create. That's the problem. -Annie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted September 4, 2002 nope, i didn't say that at all. i said they are two different types of case altogether. i think you could say both are groups that receive ungodly amounts of prejudice directed their way but under different circumstances. and i don't hold minorities in loftier positions, i just think their rights should be protected!!! as for the topic at hand... Diablo is right. it's the epitome of lazy booking. instead of thinking of a smart and creative storyline, they go for the cheap heat and comedy route, and don't bother making it entertaining in the process. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Screw the backlash. Bunch of people who hold themselves waayyy to far up on the totem pole. You didn't see a bunch of women who were drugged and date raped complaining about the Stephanie/HHH marriage angle did you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Psycho Diablo Report post Posted September 4, 2002 I think the WWE is asking for it anyway. The Flag Burning teases..the rumor about an Unamerican Promo at Ground Zero..now this? Why did WCW and ECW have to die? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dames Edna Report post Posted September 4, 2002 As a whiter person, I don't see making fun of white trash as being racist. I had a problem with Eddie's GED angle I didn't have a problem with the NOD gimmick because they weren't making of a race, they were just expressing a large portion of that race's feelings My problem lies with the WWE making comedy angles, or mock angles about problems in society Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Every other genre of TV shows make light of problems. Why do you hold the WWE in such a lofty position? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Psycho Diablo Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Because it's wrestling? Er..WAS wrestling? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest eirejmcmahon Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Judging by some of the spoilers, the purpose of the marriage seems to be to turn the couple face. It'd be nice if they could pull it off - bout time that the WWE introduced some gay face characters. Marriages - straight, gay or whatever - aren't what I tune into the WWE for so I don't really see this as a selling point for next week's Smackdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dames Edna Report post Posted September 4, 2002 I'd say most shows try and portray homosexuality in a positive sense, and address it as it applies to society. Not them contiously falling into each others crotch, and doing gay poses for cheap laughs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 So.. they do straight people diving into each other's crotchs for laughs. If you are so hypersensitive that it is okay for them to do one thing with a certain race/orientation but not with yours that seems to me to be a source of .... Elitism i think would be the word.. or high horse... or just bitchy, or self-important.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Psycho Diablo Report post Posted September 4, 2002 My take: Straight people doing it is just as stupid as "gay" ones doing that. I may be overly serious..but..I don't tune into a wrestling program to hear someone scream "hymen" a hundred times, or "puppies" a hundred times. It's supposed to be an f'n wrestling program..but it's not. It's a variety show with guys in wierd outfits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 I agree with The Apostle. I would rather it be wrestling primarily with skits as a minority. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dames Edna Report post Posted September 4, 2002 I am hyper sensitive only because they are displaying this orientation in a negative light. If this leads to a face turn, and they do not turn them into a walking joke - than I'll have no problem with it. Just up to this point, they have been strickly for comic relief Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Psycho Diablo Report post Posted September 4, 2002 To my head, "funny" skits should have a reason. Like getting the wrestlers over. Take Booker and Goldust for example. Then look at Molly/Harvard, Edge/Angle, Billy/Chuck.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted September 4, 2002 Keyword is its "Comic" and people can tell that. Its not that they are out there saying "Goddamn it gay people act like this." Lighten up. Breathe deeply and have some fun. Its only an angle. People opinions are not going to be formed by the WWE. IMHO, when jokes start to be made of something then that means that you have truly been accepted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites