Is Chretien going senile?

[Guest Cancer Marney]

there must be a reason why he attacked American instead of Britain, France, or Canada.

Again, Britain was indeed a target, and only escaped unscathed because NYC and the Pentagon were hit first.

 

Your country is resented by a lot of people in every part of the world.  If you don't believe that, then you are niave.

I absolutely do believe that. We are the deadliest threat extant to tyranny, injustice, and oppression. No other country in the world is such a symbol and such a power. The United States is a blazing brand of freedom and truth aimed at the very heart of wickedness and evil. And so she shall remain forever.

 

I'll easily lose the debate because of the sheer numbers debating against me.  Thats fine - I said my point.

You are far too concerned about winning and losing, not to mention popular opinion. Your goal in any debate should be to seek the truth. If that isn't your goal, you are in the wrong place.

 

ALWAYS REMEMBER that Canadians must wear a Canadian flag on their backpack just to get treated with an iota of respect.

Except in America. Here we say "eh" to them a lot and make fun of the Mounties.

[Guest CanadianChick]

there must be a reason why he attacked American instead of Britain, France, or Canada.

Again, Britain was indeed a target, and only escaped unscathed because NYC and the Pentagon were hit first.

 

Out of curiosity, can you explain? I've never heard of this, so I would appriciate if you enlighten me. Thanks.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

CNN story

[Guest CanadianChick]

Thanks Marney. I didn't know about any of that.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Anytime.

[Guest Dames Edna]

But Marney, America is resented by countries such as England, France, Australlia, Canada, Ireland, Scotland, or anywhere else in Europe where evil does NOT reign supreme.

 

I was saying I'd lose this debate because sooo many people are shooting my examples down. I respect that though - they are proud of their country, so am I.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

True. There, we're resented because of our primacy and their growing irrelevance. During the Cold War, we were just as "arrogant" if not more so, and our relations with Europe were better. Why? Because they had a job to do - providing the feet on the front lines - and that let them keep some self-respect even though they were very junior partners. Now even that is gone, we simply don't need them, and it pisses them off.

Sorry guys, we didn't force your weakness on you. We didn't force you to cut defense spending for a solid decade. You took a free ride on our power and you brought this on yourselves.

Enjoy.

[Guest MrRant]

I consider it more jealousy in my opinion.

[Guest Dames Edna]

I genuinly don't think anyone in Canada is jealous of Americans. In fact, that probably wouldn't couldn't be further from the truth.

 

You are saying why European governments hate Ameircans, but why is their such a distaste from average citizens? Do you feel they are programmed to hate Americans? Or it just comes naturally? I don't know why. But they do.

[Guest MrRant]

I don't think Canadians are jealous but say someone in Europe sees on a program Americans enjoying things that most of them may not be able to afford that would make them jealous. They also seem to not like the fact that American businesses are successful and are in their country. An example is McDonalds in France.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

why is their such a distaste from average citizens?

Because the only way they can retain any pride in their country is to pretend all Americans are dumb boorish clods. It's a comforting stereotype for them to imagine as they sip their wine and sneer about the simplisme of our foreign policy.

Cynicism has always been the last refuge of the weak.

 

On my way out for a date. I'll be back tomorrow.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

America is NOT resented by most Canadians. We pretty much don't care about them one way or another, unless something like 9/11 grabs our attention. 9/11 just wasn't an attack on the US, it was an attack on all the free people of earth. It just happened that the US was the target.

 

Take the 2000 elections for example. It was a big deal in the US, but nobody up here cared. It had nothing to do with us.

[Guest Dames Edna]

Kahran, I would say that America is resent by a lot of Canadians, not all but a lot.

 

If you ask Europeans why they don't like Americans it is because they act unfriendly and arrogant to other nations. Now I am talking person to person communication - not nation to nation. A good example is when I was at a fancy restaurant (in Canada), Americans came in, starting talking all obnxiously and began smoking their cigars. Needless to say, they were escorted out.

 

I am not saying all Americans are like that, but maybe a few just set a bad example for everyone else.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

I have always found Americans to be quite friendly. Often moreso than fellow Canadians.

[Guest MrRant]

Kahran, I would say that America is resent by a lot of Canadians, not all but a lot.

 

If you ask Europeans why they don't like Americans it is because they act unfriendly and arrogant to other nations. Now I am talking person to person communication - not nation to nation. A good example is when I was at a fancy restaurant (in Canada), Americans came in, starting talking all obnxiously and began smoking their cigars. Needless to say, they were escorted out.

 

I am not saying all Americans are like that, but maybe a few just set a bad example for everyone else.

They you would have to be pretty close-minded to base your assumptions on just a few people.

[Guest Some Guy]

Ok I just read the whole thread and BDub you come across as very bitter towards America.

Europeans don't like us because we're on the top of the moutnain. The British couldn't hold their empire, France's cruel imperialistic ways backfired and caused them to become totally irrelevant in the world, Germany tried to take over the world twice and were twarted by America and our allies, they were on top and now we are, it's jealousy and resentment stems from jealousy.

Canada is just there, you guys aren't talked about on our news because you don;t do anything worth talking about. When I was in Canada about 1/4-1/3 of your local news was dedicated to (shitting on) the US. You all seem to have an obsession to be recognized and respected by us, why should we? You sit there and talk shit abotu us all the time, try showing respect to us and maybe we'll resiprocate.

Jean whatever is just another anti-American French Socialist, who gives a shit what his fucking name is or what he does? He has so very little impact on our lives that it just doesn't matter to most Americans. You don;t know who our President is out of respect, you know who he is because he is the leader of the free world. Everyone knows who the President is, no one cares in any country (save Canada) who your PM is. You're irrelevant on the national scale. Sorry, but it's true.

BDub from reading your posts vs the American rebuttals it seems as though you are the arogant one, not us. Get over yourself, Canada while a fine if poorly governed country just doesn't matter. Shit, I don;t know my next door neighbor's names becasue they don't have any affect on my life and as such don't matter. It's not personal, we have a lot to do down here adn worring about who the leader is of an inconsequensial country is not high on the list.

[Guest CanadianChick]

I can see why Americans don't really care about Canada and our govenment, because, as Some Guy pointed out, it doesn't affect anybody but our country.

But I will disagree with Some Guy saying that Bush is the leader of the free world. Canada is part of the free world, and he isn't our leader. Our country didn't elect him our leader. Our leader is Jean Chretien, not George Bush.

[Guest treble charged]

I still don't see how your biggest trading partner can be considered 'irrelevant'

 

And, I've never really gotten an anti-American sentiment from Chretien. Then, I've really never gotten anything from him.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

I'm glad you Americans don't know who Jean Chretien is. If you did, then you would realize what an embarrasment he is to this country. We've had lousy goverments for the past 50 years, and it is getting worse all the time. The media doesn't help as they basically worship the ground that the PM walks on. Just like they did with his mentor Trudeau, who was even worse.

 

you guys aren't talked about on our news because you don;t do anything worth talking about. When I was in Canada about 1/4-1/3 of your local news was dedicated to (shitting on) the US. You all seem to have an obsession to be recognized and respected by us, why should we? You sit there and talk shit abotu us all the time, try showing respect to us and maybe we'll resiprocate.

 

What were you watching? If it was Toronto local, then yes, but the rest of the country doesn't give a shit.

[Guest Some Guy]

Generally speaking where America goes, so goes the world. France, Germany, etc.. will all be there in Iraq.

 

TC you are our biggest trading partner but that doesn't exactly have a huge effect on the the American people. It's not like we see something and go, "Oh that product was made by Canada who as everyone knows and cares soooooooo much is out largest trading partner."

You guys are close and have stuff we use so we buy it from you. If you refused we'd just buy it from someone else or make it ourselves.

[Guest Some Guy]

I'm glad you Americans don't know who Jean Chretien is. If you did, then you would realize what an embarrasment he is to this country. We've had lousy goverments for the past 50 years, and it is getting worse all the time. The media doesn't help as they basically worship the ground that the PM walks on. Just like they did with his mentor Trudeau, who was even worse.

 

you guys aren't talked about on our news because you don;t do anything worth talking about. When I was in Canada about 1/4-1/3 of your local news was dedicated to (shitting on) the US. You all seem to have an obsession to be recognized and respected by us, why should we? You sit there and talk shit abotu us all the time, try showing respect to us and maybe we'll resiprocate.

 

What were you watching? If it was Toronto local, then yes, but the rest of the company doesn't give a shit.

I've been to Halifax twice, Montreal once, and To once and the news I heard had large segments dedicated to American things. Most of it was reported in a derisive way (especially Montreal) but it was reported none the less.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Generally speaking where America goes, so goes the world. France, Germany, etc.. will all be there in Iraq.

 

That's because this time you're right. We didn't exactly rush into Vietnam now did we?

[Guest Some Guy]

No but your French buddies started the whole fucking mess and we went to help them. Where is France's support of us right now? It ain't there and won't be until enough coutries jump on board or until Germany does.

BTW did you know that the French called us in the mid-50's and asked us to Nuke Vietman before they surrendered (again) and left us to try and clean up their mess?

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

I've been to Halifax twice, Montreal once, and To once and the news I heard had large segments dedicated to American things. Most of it was reported in a derisive way (especially Montreal) but it was reported none the less.

 

Ok, I will take your word on it, but it might just have been the timing. Most of the time it doesn't matter, but sometimes the media (not the public) gets really pissy about unimportant things. This is not the norm, besides I hate most of the media up here anyways. CTV in particular is horrible, and run by the same Liberal assholes that you have in the US. You know the ones.

[Guest Some Guy]

I do know the assholes who run our media. Kahran why don't you post in here more often?

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

No but your French buddies started the whole fucking mess and we went to help them. Where is France's support of us right now? It ain't there and won't be until enough coutries jump on board or until Germany does.

BTW did you know that the French called us in the mid-50's and asked us to Nuke Vietman before they surrendered (again) and left us to try and clean up their mess?

 

I am not from Quebec, and have no friendship with the French. Personally, I find it amusing how they keep bulding themselves up only to get clobbered again and again and again. The French shouldn't have been there either, and I could care less what the two of you did in the 50s. France never surprises me in their idiocy, but you should have known better.

 

And for the record, I am not anti-US. You are our big brother.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Kahran why don't you post in here more often?

 

I should. This is fun. Its just that most of the topics here seem to revolve around the Middle East/Muslims, a topic that I have to admit I don't know that much about.

[Guest Some Guy]

The French suck, I agree.

 

It is fun to debate in here, and all you haev to do is read throught he posts to get the info to debate. Now that we have more view points in here it's even better, it's not just a right wing circle jerk amongst us, but real debate and Marney's flaming.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

I've always lurked here. I find Marney extremely entertaining.

[Guest Some Guy]

As do I. Join in Leftist bashing is fun and it helps make the world a better place for us normal people.