Is Chretien going senile?

[Guest danielisthor]

I've always lurked here. I find Marney extremely entertaining.

Welcome to Current Events. Its a hellova lot more fun than the wrestling pages. And Marney is a posting goddess.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

I've always lurked here. I find Marney extremely entertaining.

Try posting here more often if your a conservative...with your a liberal stay the hell away.

[Guest Dames Edna]

Jean Chretien isn't a socialist - but nice try.

 

I am not anti-American at all. I am not patriotic pro-Canadian either. We all have our faults. I am just saying I can't believe how many Americans don't have the pride to remember tidbits like this. And if you don't know your neighbors name because he doesn't mean anything to you - than that shows YOUR arrogance. Whats wrong with getting to know someone for the sake of broadening your horizons? You won't get 100% out of your life by thinking me me me me me. Love thy neighbor. You might learn something new when you leave that little circle that involves the things that just involve you.

[Guest MrRant]

Jean Chretien isn't a socialist - but nice try.

 

I am not anti-American at all. I am not patriotic pro-Canadian either. We all have our faults. I am just saying I can't believe how many Americans don't have the pride to remember tidbits like this. And if you don't know your neighbors name because he doesn't mean anything to you - than that shows YOUR arrogance. Whats wrong with getting to know someone for the sake of broadening your horizons? You won't get 100% out of your life by thinking me me me me me. Love thy neighbor. You might learn something new when you leave that little circle that involves the things that just involve you.

So you want us to go out of our way to find out what is going on in Canada? You are telling me that I should buy a subscription to a Canadian paper in addition to my American one? Should I run out and watch CBUT tomorrow so that I can discuss the finer points of Canadian culture when I don't even live there? Why would I visit read/watch Canadian news when it has no effect on me? There are plenty of Canadian members of this board you can discuss Canada with but when you ask Americans who most here don't get a Canadian station in their town (I do) who the PM is what the fuck do you expect?

[Guest Dames Edna]

Its not quantam physics man. I shouldn't expect anything out of you. I just thought maybe you would have some pride enough to enlighten yourself with this minor bit of knowledge. I never suggestion for anyone to know everything, or anything about Canada except our PMs name. Don't fly off the handle with such an unreasonable suggestion. If you don't want to know, don't care - fine. I never asked you to read our news, watch our shows, or adopt a Canadian friend. Its a simple bit of knowledge you could find out on the internet. Its not tough.

 

As far as my quote you took completely out of context - I was talking to Some Guy about how he doesn't even know his next door neighbors name. I must have been brought up in a polite society because I think that is just common courtasy. If that gets me flammed by you - fine. I'd rather be an intelligent, curtious, and understanding person than be someone who flies off the handle at a simple suggestion. If you just don't take me seriously as poster because of what goes on in the NHB's folder, thats fine too. But consdering I am satarizing all message boards with 98% of my posts - you might need to lighten up. This is the first thread I have ever posted seriously on this board. So don't be such a troglodyte.

[Guest Some Guy]

Let me clear up as to why I don't know my neighbor's name. I've lived in the same house for 20+ years (for the last ten I have switched back and forth every week between that and my Dad's, child of divorce ). During that 20 years my neighborhood, save the people across the street has changed completely and since I'm only there half the time I never bothered to meet the new neighbors and they never made any effort to meet me. I'm not losing any sleep over it and I doubt they are either. The point is, why bother learning about or meeting people that/who you don't give a shit about? That's my take on the Canaidian PM, I don't give a shit.

It's not about pride, I only learn about what I care about, otherwise it's a waste of my time and brain power.

As I said in my previous post, you know who the US Pres is because you can not avoid knowing it, we would have to go out of our way to learn about Jean whatever, we don't give a shit so we don't go out of our way, I doubt you would either if you lived here. Because if you did you'd relize how insignificant Canada is to most Americans. You just don't cross our minds, sorry.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

I guess I should enter the fray........

 

I find it offensive that Canadians look towards America with such disdain. I think it is arrogant and ignorant to "mock" the U.S when the majority of Canada's population lives within 100 miles of the border. Such a short barrier doesn't protect Canadians from things that interfere or effect the U.S. 9/11 wasn't just an attack on the U.S, it was an attack on Canada as well. It was an attack on the free world and Canada is certainly a member of the free world. Whatever happens to the U.S, happens to Canada. If the U.S falls, so does Canada.

 

The mindset of Canada is easy to understand. It's like how the nerd in high school always looked at the captain of the football team. The jock was popular, good looking, had a better car, and got plenty of sex. The nerd, who lacked all those things made up his own superiority in the form of academia. By virtue of the nerd's "supposed" high intelligence, he always had a way to re-assure himself as to his superiority when the captain of the football team was in the spotlight.

 

The U.S/Canada relationship is similiar. Canadians are too pre-occupied NOT being American because there is that layer of jealousy. Canadians have fabricated a mindset that all Americans are rude, rich, and stupid. So to re-assure themselves, Canadians have fabricated a culture they believe to be morally superior. Hello health care! Canadians have embraced the mindset that they're somehow nicer, more curteous and smarter as their way of trying to feel superior to the Americans. I think Canadians need to be more focused on just being a good country, rather than continute to obsess with NOT being America, when in fact Canada is another America. You should take that as a compliment.

[Guest Dames Edna]

Arrogance. You guys really know how to play up to the typical American stereotype. I am sure many aren't like you - but quit taking yourselves so seriously.

 

Canada does not thrive on bashing America. We don't aspire to be Americans or live an American life. But if that helps you all sleep at night.

 

As a side, I highly doubt Canada will ever be singled out and attacked by any nation. And I have no idea why.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I highly doubt Canada will ever be singled out and attacked by any nation. And I have no idea why.

It has been explained to you several times in this very thread.

 

Once again: Canada is not worth attacking.

 

If you still don't understand, the reason is this: you're a flaming idiot.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

As a side, I highly doubt Canada will ever be singled out and attacked by any nation. And I have no idea why.

For the time being.........which is why Canada and its PM should be supporting the U.S without question in its war against terrorism so that nothing like that could ever happen to Canada.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

Arrogance. You guys really know how to play up to the typical American stereotype. I am sure many aren't like you - but quit taking yourselves so seriously.

 

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This is true.

[Guest Dames Edna]

I clearly understand why Canada won't get attacked Marney - so no I am not an "idiot". I just don't agree with your reason why.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

People in the wrong usually don't.

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

For the record...

 

In Canada, we have a show called "This Hour has 22 Minutes", which is a political satire show, presented somewhat like a news broadcast.

 

In this show, there's often a segment called "Talking to Americans" because, quite frankly, Canadians find it funny how ignorant Americans can be sometimes. They'll ask average citizens things like "What do you think of the Saskatchewan Seal Hunt?" "We just got our first airline - What should we call it?" and other such ridiculous questions, which generates hilarious results, especially when some guy goes off about "How ignorant can someone be?" in response to being told that 75% of Canadian students can't find their home state on a map. (For the unaware, BTW, Canada has provinces, and Saskatchewan has no seals, though now I'm starting to wonder if I've spelled that correctly. No matter).

 

Of course, the situation about the Canadian states got even funnier when a 7-year old kid clued into the joke before his mom did, but to get back on topic.

 

The guy who does these bits (Ric Mercer, I believe his name is) once actually got to ask a few quick questions of Bush, before the 2000 election. And so, he said something along the lines of "You have the full support of Canadian Prime Minister Jean Poutine - how do you feel about that?"

 

If I'm not mistaken, in his reply, Bush actually referred to him as Jean Poutine, and besides, you could see both of them in the same shot, so it wasn't the old "Take old interviews and splice 'em" bit.

 

I know this because this actually made news reports here in Canada, just because of the sheer ridiculousness of the situation. It also helped fuel the belief that Bush is a 'tard.

 

Back to your debate, ladies and germs.

[Guest MrRant]

For the record...

 

In Canada, we have a show called "This Hour has 22 Minutes", which is a political satire show, presented somewhat like a news broadcast.

 

In this show, there's often a segment called "Talking to Americans" because, quite frankly, Canadians find it funny how ignorant Americans can be sometimes. They'll ask average citizens things like "What do you think of the Saskatchewan Seal Hunt?" "We just got our first airline - What should we call it?" and other such ridiculous questions, which generates hilarious results, especially when some guy goes off about "How ignorant can someone be?" in response to being told that 75% of Canadian students can't find their home state on a map. (For the unaware, BTW, Canada has provinces, and Saskatchewan has no seals, though now I'm starting to wonder if I've spelled that correctly. No matter).

 

Of course, the situation about the Canadian states got even funnier when a 7-year old kid clued into the joke before his mom did, but to get back on topic.

 

The guy who does these bits (Ric Mercer, I believe his name is) once actually got to ask a few quick questions of Bush, before the 2000 election. And so, he said something along the lines of "You have the full support of Canadian Prime Minister Jean Poutine - how do you feel about that?"

 

If I'm not mistaken, in his reply, Bush actually referred to him as Jean Poutine, and besides, you could see both of them in the same shot, so it wasn't the old "Take old interviews and splice 'em" bit.

 

I know this because this actually made news reports here in Canada, just because of the sheer ridiculousness of the situation. It also helped fuel the belief that Bush is a 'tard.

 

Back to your debate, ladies and germs.

I have actually seen that show and its not to horrible.

[Guest Some Guy]

For the record...

 

In Canada, we have a show called "This Hour has 22 Minutes", which is a political satire show, presented somewhat like a news broadcast.

 

In this show, there's often a segment called "Talking to Americans" because, quite frankly, Canadians find it funny how ignorant Americans can be sometimes. They'll ask average citizens things like "What do you think of the Saskatchewan Seal Hunt?" "We just got our first airline - What should we call it?" and other such ridiculous questions, which generates hilarious results, especially when some guy goes off about "How ignorant can someone be?" in response to being told that 75% of Canadian students can't find their home state on a map. (For the unaware, BTW, Canada has provinces, and Saskatchewan has no seals, though now I'm starting to wonder if I've spelled that correctly. No matter).

 

Of course, the situation about the Canadian states got even funnier when a 7-year old kid clued into the joke before his mom did, but to get back on topic.

 

The guy who does these bits (Ric Mercer, I believe his name is) once actually got to ask a few quick questions of Bush, before the 2000 election. And so, he said something along the lines of "You have the full support of Canadian Prime Minister Jean Poutine - how do you feel about that?"

 

If I'm not mistaken, in his reply, Bush actually referred to him as Jean Poutine, and besides, you could see both of them in the same shot, so it wasn't the old "Take old interviews and splice 'em" bit.

 

I know this because this actually made news reports here in Canada, just because of the sheer ridiculousness of the situation. It also helped fuel the belief that Bush is a 'tard.

 

Back to your debate, ladies and germs.

Jay Leno does that shit too, and I'd be willing to bet that there are stupid Canaidians as well.

 

Poutine, Chretien what's the difference? Wow Bush made a mistake about the name of a foriegn head of state before he was President. OMG! He must be a retard!

[Guest treble charged]

Um, I think that if you plan on being the 'leader of the free world', you should at least take some time to know the name of the leader of your neighbouring country.

 

And yes, there are stupid Canadians, but I'm sure that if you went to a random person on the street in Toronto, Montreal, or any other city in Canada for that matter, and said something about US provinces, people would clue in.

[Guest Some Guy]

Um, I think that if you plan on being the 'leader of the free world', you should at least take some time to know the name of the leader of your neighbouring country.

 

And yes, there are stupid Canadians, but I'm sure that if you went to a random person on the street in Toronto, Montreal, or any other city in Canada for that matter, and said something about US provinces, people would clue in.

I'd be willing to bet that he knew the guy's name and just made a mistake when that reporter said the name, perhaps he thiought that's how the French pronoune it, they don't have French people in Texas you know.

 

Perhaps they be clued in because we are called "The United STATES of America and you guys refer to us as THE STATES up there. Just a thought.

 

For the Canaidians:

 

Who's the Governor of Mass?

Who's the Secretary of Transportation?

Who's the Mayor of Boston?

Who's my town's Selectman?

 

You don't know? You arrogant bastards, show some pride and learn about your neighbors.

That's how stupid you guys sound when you throw Canaidian trivia questions at us and get mad when we don't know (or care) about the answer.

[Guest treble charged]

For the Canaidians:

 

Who's the Governor of Mass?

Who's the Secretary of Transportation?

Who's the Mayor of Boston?

Who's my town's Selectman?

 

You don't know? You arrogant bastards, show some pride and learn about your neighbors.

That's how stupid you guys sound when you throw Canaidian trivia questions at us and get mad when we don't know (or care) about the answer.

This is completely different. We're not saying that all Americans should know the who the Premier of every province is, because, hey, I myself do not know that. However, every mentally stable person in Canada *can* tell you that Dubya is the President, and I'm willing to bet that 75% know who Dick Cheney is.

 

Why? Because it is important. And don't just say that it's because you guys are the 'leaders of the free world'. I'd be willing to bet that the average Belgian doesn't have a clue who your VP is.

 

And for God's sake, learn how to spell 'Canadian' properly.

[Guest Some Guy]

For the Canaidians:

 

Who's the Governor of Mass?

Who's the Secretary of Transportation?

Who's the Mayor of Boston?

Who's my town's Selectman?

 

You don't know?  You arrogant bastards, show some pride and learn about your neighbors.  

That's how stupid you guys sound when you throw Canaidian trivia questions at us and get mad when we don't know (or care) about the answer.

This is completely different. We're not saying that all Americans should know the who the Premier of every province is, because, hey, I myself do not know that. However, every mentally stable person in Canada *can* tell you that Dubya is the President, and I'm willing to bet that 75% know who Dick Cheney is.

 

Why? Because it is important. And don't just say that it's because you guys are the 'leaders of the free world'. I'd be willing to bet that the average Belgian doesn't have a clue who your VP is.

 

And for God's sake, learn how to spell 'Canadian' properly.

Massachusetts, the Seceretary of Transportation, Boston, and my home town are more important to me than Canada and I don't know who the Selectman is in my town, so you can see where Canada is on my priority list.

 

The answers are Jane Swift, Norm Mineta, and Tom Menino, and whoever btw.

 

Your right it is important for you to know who George Bush and Dick Cheney are, however it is not important for us to know who the Canadian (better?) PM is. We shape the world, you fall in line with it. We're leaders and you are followers. Sorry but it's true.

[Guest treble charged]

For the Canaidians:

 

Who's the Governor of Mass?

Who's the Secretary of Transportation?

Who's the Mayor of Boston?

Who's my town's Selectman?

 

You don't know?  You arrogant bastards, show some pride and learn about your neighbors.  

That's how stupid you guys sound when you throw Canaidian trivia questions at us and get mad when we don't know (or care) about the answer.

This is completely different. We're not saying that all Americans should know the who the Premier of every province is, because, hey, I myself do not know that. However, every mentally stable person in Canada *can* tell you that Dubya is the President, and I'm willing to bet that 75% know who Dick Cheney is.

 

Why? Because it is important. And don't just say that it's because you guys are the 'leaders of the free world'. I'd be willing to bet that the average Belgian doesn't have a clue who your VP is.

 

And for God's sake, learn how to spell 'Canadian' properly.

Massachusetts, the Seceretary of Transportation, Boston, and my home town are more important to me than Canada and I don't know who the Selectman is in my town, so you can see where Canada is on my priority list.

 

The answers are Jane Swift, Norm Mineta, and Tom Menino, and whoever btw.

 

Your right it is important for you to know who George Bush and Dick Cheney are, however it is not important for us to know who the Canadian (better?) PM is. We shape the world, you fall in line with it. We're leaders and you are followers. Sorry but it's true.

You know what? There's no point in even arguing with you. You apparently have one of the world's thickest skulls, and you fall right into the stereotype of 'arrogant American' that the rest of the world seems to hate, and which gives all Americans, even the ones that realize that there is a world outside of their borders, a bad name.

 

And, for the record, I don't hate the United States, or the people living in it. Yes, sometimes their ignorance can piss me off, and, while I prefer living in Canada, the US would probably be my second or third choice.

[Guest Some Guy]

I'm generally quite open to different ideas and what not, but when I and my countrymen are called arrogant because we don't know who the Canadian PM is and then get attacked for whatever preconceived notions that the rest of the world has about us, I tend to get a little defensive, especially when I'm right and I know it.

 

I for one would say that for you or anyone else to think that we should know the name of your PM is arrogant. It is also quite ignorant for the rest of world to think us arrogant when for most of them their only contact with Americans is watching "Friends" reruns and have never actually met a single American in person, let alone a large enough sample of us to acurately decide the arrogance or lack there of of my countrymen.

But I'm just a typical arrogant American with the World's thickest skull so what do I know?

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Pride in ignorance is not a position of strength. American adults and schoolchildren are shamefully clueless not only about the rest of the world but about our own geography and history as well.

 

That said, it is vastly more important to know who the President of the United States is than to know who the PM of Canada is. Our President is the leader of the free world, and even if you live in Canada or Europe, he does more than any ten of your officials to keep your ass in one piece.

Show some respect.

[Guest treble charged]

Show some respect.

How am I not showing respect? I said that if I didn't live in Canada (where I prefer living), then I'd gladly live in the US. I've never said anything negative about the place, just about some of their citizens.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Referring to my Commander in Chief as "Dubya" is not respectful.

 

I have nothing against Canada myself. I like the country (although I really wish Hillary Clinton would stop going on and on about your health care system, which frankly sucks) and the cities are pleasant and clean. Strangers tend to be not only polite but nice, and from what I saw racism is practically nonexistent. If I couldn't live in the United States, my first choice would be Canada.

 

Despite the Mounties.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Referring to my Commander in Chief as "Dubya" is not respectful.

 

I have nothing against Canada myself. I like the country (although I really wish Hillary Clinton would stop going on and on about your health care system, which frankly sucks) and the cities are pleasant and clean. Strangers tend to be not only polite but nice, and from what I saw racism is practically nonexistent. If I couldn't live in the United States, my first choice would be Canada.

 

Despite the Mounties.

Don't Americans usually call George Bush "Dubya" or am I mistaken?

 

And thanks for the compliments about Canada and Canadians.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

They do, particularly Democrats. I don't like hearing it from anyone, even - no, especially - other Americans.

 

As for the compliments, well, you're welcome; it's just the truth. You're one of the good guys, and all the petty bickering in the world doesn't change that.

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

Ok, sorry, I hate to perpetuate petty pissing contests, but this must be said:

 

I'd be willing to bet that he knew the guy's name and just made a mistake when that reporter said the name, perhaps he thiought that's how the French pronoune it, they don't have French people in Texas you know.

 

I dunno, maybe it's just my personal bias from actually knowing how to pronounce French words (Some, anway) and having some exposure to the French language, but really, thinking that Chretien would be pronounced as Poutine is pretty ignorant in and of itself. My experience to other languages (Some german and Spanish as well - never learned them directly, but have seen smatterings of them) has told me that virtually no one would pronounce something spelled "Chretien" as "Poutine", as the letters are nowhere NEAR similar to each other. I would think a basic knowledge of languages would tell you that, but hey...

 

Hey, it's likely he DID just make a mistake, but A) It's still funny to see him say it and B) I doubt his mistake was based on something like pronounciation. That's just silly, to be honest.

 

And for the record, both of those words are French, and he used the word "Poutine" because it's a popular food up here in Canada. I don't know if you guys have it or not - it's french fries, with cheese and gravy added.

 

I'm not a fan of it.

[Guest Some Guy]

Pronounciation was the only excuse I could think of at the time. I don't speak any French except for "Oui" and "Will you go to bed with me tonight" (I won't even attempt to spell that in Paris talk) and I tend to doubt that the Pres does either.

I tend to think he just made a mistake, it happens. They campaign hours a day for at least a year and everyone form every party makes mistakes however the Left-wing media tends to only harp on the GOP mistakes. If you'd like a short list of stupid shit said by Leftists never mocked on mainstream TV I'll give one to further my point. Bush fucked up, you fuck up, I fuck up, shit happens.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

"Voulez-vous coucher avec moi ce soir?"

 

(Just for reference.)