Is Chretien going senile?

[Guest MrRant]

I have no problem with Canadians buying our products.  It means more jobs for Americans.

OKay so first you say "You guys have no problem coming down to shop at Wal-Mart, K-Mart, watch American TV, buy American products. "

 

And now you say you think that it is a good thing.

 

 

The first post was made to look like you disapproved that we buy your products. Please make up your mind.

That was a miscommunication. You said we have no problem buying your oil. I said that you have no problem buying our stuff. I never said I had a problem with you buying our stuff... I encourage it. Its trade. Trade is good. I was trying to say that we both buy and sell stuff from each other. At least that is what I was trying to say but it may have came out wrong.

[Guest Dames Edna]

Sigh. No modesty either. even though Ric Flair is the best wrestler ever, you won't see him saying snubbing Mark Henry because he isn't at the same talent-level. Go beyond your retentive American pride, and show some decency. Its just common courtasy. In fact, I'd think it would be almost something of a sense of pride. Why wouldn't you want to enlighten yourself with this information? Oh well, there is CNN. They tell you what is important and, what is not. Talk about pride in your nation - that is respectable. I don't critisize any American for being patriotic - I just don't respect it when their patriotism blinds them from everything else going on in this world.

[Guest Dames Edna]

So accoring to your logic, Canada and America have a good trading relationship. Everyone benefits from one another. So since you are benefitting from us, have some sort of relationship with us - shouldn't that entail Americans learning a little bit about our country?

[Guest CanadianChick]

Yes, we are spoonfed American culture - and that is fine.  But atleast we have the decency to know about your political set-up, how it works, and its history.  

 

Well Rant, I am sure your interpretation of history invovling the British and Americans is much different than mine.  I was taught what I know with an English bias, while you were taught what you know with an American-slant.  My point is that we were the same.  Why not learn SOMETHING about your *brothers* north of the border? Oh ya, your countries patriotic stubborness will not put any nation on a plane remotly close to yours.  That is my point.  You can play any other card you want - but this is a FACT.  And don't give me shit that its because we don't offer you anything, or are not a threat - because thats just assinine.

There is no nation that is on a even plane with us. How are you trying to compare? Militarily Canada isn't anywhere close. The last country that was like that was the USSR and now possibly China by sheer numbers. There is nothing wrong with being Patriotic. Its called pride in oneself and their country. I don't think Canadian people are inferior as people. My fiancee has Canadian relatives and I go up there regulary. But.... that said there is no reason for me to know who your PM is because he doesn't affect our country.

1) Why does it matter if our military is strong? Why should this affect you learning about your surrounding countries?

2) Our PM's decisions could affect economy trades,our relations with your country and the support we give you for wars and such.

[Guest MrRant]

Sigh. No modesty either. even though Ric Flair is the best wrestler ever, you won't see him saying snubbing Mark Henry because he isn't at the same talent-level. Go beyond your retentive American pride, and show some decency. Its just common courtasy. In fact, I'd think it would be almost something of a sense of pride. Why wouldn't you want to enlighten yourself with this information? Oh well, there is CNN. They tell you what is important and, what is not. Talk about pride in your nation - that is respectable. I don't critisize any American for being patriotic - I just don't respect it when their patriotism blinds them from everything else going on in this world.

I'm not blinded. I have no real reason to seek out information on what is going on in Canada. Sometimes I may watch CBUT but that is about it. I'm not going to go out of my way to learn about Canada. Its not that I have no respect its just no interest in the politics of Canada. I don't pay attention to politics in Germany either.

[Guest Dames Edna]

But we are your neighbor. Since we are "one in the same" it might actually be interesting to learn somethign new.

 

I can't quite but my finger on what is causing your stubborness. it is either

 

1. You are too lazy to enlighten yourself

2. You are too arrogant to concern yourself with the totally "unimportant" Canada.

 

I think this behavior is sadly pretty common in America. Unfortunatly, it isn't until something terribly tragic happens until they begin to take notice. Ie. The warning of a terrorist threat being ignored by the American goverment. I pray to God the government has learned from that mistake. Another attack in any way, shape, or from would be devastating - and would cause a severe backlash.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Sigh.  No modesty either.  even though Ric Flair is the best wrestler ever, you won't see him saying snubbing Mark Henry because he isn't at the same talent-level.  Go beyond your retentive American pride, and show some decency.  Its just common courtasy.  In fact, I'd think it would be almost something of a sense of pride.  Why wouldn't you want to enlighten yourself with this information? Oh well, there is CNN.  They tell you what is important and, what is not.  Talk about pride in your nation - that is respectable.  I don't critisize any American for being patriotic - I just don't respect it when their patriotism blinds them from everything else going on in this world.

I'm not blinded. I have no real reason to seek out information on what is going on in Canada. Sometimes I may watch CBUT but that is about it. I'm not going to go out of my way to learn about Canada. Its not that I have no respect its just no interest in the politics of Canada. I don't pay attention to politics in Germany either.

But by learning about your neighboring countries (and other countries) history or current events, it is showing respect and it is showing that you look outside your own world and expand your horizons.

[Guest MrRant]

I think your problem is that Canada isn't paid enough attention to on CNN, MSNBC, etc. Those are American channels showing news that is important to Americans so why concern yourself with that?

 

I have no interest in Canadian history etc. I have an interest in European history, Roman history, Greek history, Egyptian history. It just has to do with me not being interested. It doesn't make me arrogant. I'm not interested in Mexican history either and they are our "neighbor" too.

 

I pay attention to Canadian news when it affects me but I'm not going to go out tomorrow and buy the Vancouver Sun (I believe its the Sun) just so I can get caught up in the wild wild world of Canadian politics.

 

And besides I like Molson so that show I have respect.

[Guest CanadianChick]

I think your problem is that Canada isn't paid enough attention to on CNN, MSNBC, etc. Those are American channels showing news that is important to Americans so why concern yourself with that?

 

I have no interest in Canadian history etc. I have an interest in European history, Roman history, Greek history, Egyptian history. It just has to do with me not being interested. It doesn't make me arrogant. I'm not interested in Mexican history either and they are our "neighbor" too.

 

I pay attention to Canadian news when it affects me but I'm not going to go out tomorrow and buy the Vancouver Sun (I believe its the Sun) just so I can get caught up in the wild wild world of Canadian politics.

 

And besides I like Molson so that show I have respect.

But Canada's history and USA's history are very similar and the coencide with each other. That is why we learn about the American Revolution: it is related to our history as is our history related to your history.

 

 

And I'm not saying that knowing everything about Canadian politics is nessesasry, but at least know who our PM is.

[Guest MrRant]

I think your problem is that Canada isn't paid enough attention to on CNN, MSNBC, etc.  Those are American channels showing news that is important to Americans so why concern yourself with that?

 

I have no interest in Canadian history etc.  I have an interest in European history,  Roman history, Greek history, Egyptian history.  It just has to do with me not being interested.  It doesn't make me arrogant.  I'm not interested in Mexican history either and they are our "neighbor" too.  

 

I pay attention to Canadian news when it affects me but I'm not going to go out tomorrow and buy the Vancouver Sun (I believe its the Sun) just so I can get caught up in the wild wild world of Canadian politics.

 

And besides I like Molson so that show I have respect.

But Canada's history and USA's history are very similar and the coencide with each other. That is why we learn about the American Revolution: it is related to our history as is our history related to your history.

 

 

And I'm not saying that knowing everything about Canadian politics is nessesasry, but at least know who our PM is.

I addressed the fact that we learned about it due to our proximity (WA state and BC).

[Guest Dames Edna]

Ack, Im not asking for you to recite every murder in canada over the past year. I just expect the decency to understand the basic concepts on Canada. The pre-conceived notions about igloos, snow mobiles, ect...While some Americans are at it, why not learn the PM's name too. Thats all I ask. Its about respect.

 

Personally, for the most part, I do not see much difference between Canadian and American history before 1945. After that, we began to branch out. But before that; we were pretty similar, lived on an equal living plane, and respected each other.

 

So besides the past 50-60 years, I don't buy the fact you say you are not interested in Canadian history.

 

PS. If there is one thing that drives me up the wall, its Canadians complete dependence on using the lame arguement that their beer is better than Americans. I find that arguement to be meat-headish and straight retarded.

 

Anyway I'm off to sleep, it was funny ranting with you - pun intended. Thanks for the support canadianchick

[Guest EricMM]

Either Mr. Rant is being very nice or WA is much more Canadian influenced than MD. But I have to say that while I like Canada as much as any other state/country (state as in canada is it's own state etc), Americans are not taught SHIT about the rest of the world. We don't know who the President of Mexico is, we don't know who the PM of Canada is, we don't know who is in charge of Italy, Belgum, or any of those states. It's really because it doesn't matter to us. American media looks in to America. The rest of the world also looks at us. It's because often what America does will influence other states whereas what other states do won't influence America as much. And either way, chances are we will probably get them to do what we want anyways. None of what I just said is very nice, or particularly "right," but it's the way the world goes when there is one super power, one hegemon. It's not Canada, so Canada will not be nearly as important. Do you want an apology?

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Ack, Im not asking for you to recite every murder in canada over the past year. I just expect the decency to understand the basic concepts on Canada. The pre-conceived notions about igloos, snow mobiles, ect...While some Americans are at it, why not learn the PM's name too. Thats all I ask. Its about respect.

 

Personally, for the most part, I do not see much difference between Canadian and American history before 1945. After that, we began to branch out. But before that; we were pretty similar, lived on an equal living plane, and respected each other.

 

So besides the past 50-60 years, I don't buy the fact you say you are not interested in Canadian history.

 

PS. If there is one thing that drives me up the wall, its Canadians complete dependence on using the lame arguement that their beer is better than Americans. I find that arguement to be meat-headish and straight retarded.

 

Anyway I'm off to sleep, it was funny ranting with you - pun intended. Thanks for the support canadianchick

They thought against the Colonies during the American Revolution.

 

I know the Canadians beat back the American Army during the War of 1812.

 

They where ruled by British until the 1870's. When they became a Constitutional Monarchy. They still recognzie Queen Elizabeth, has Queen of Canada.

 

They were a safe haven for escaped slaves.

 

They entred WWI and WWII along side the British. They were involved in the Normanday Invasion.

 

I hate Canada's gov't, it's way to socialist. I have no problem with the people. You produce great wrestlers and comedians.

 

You're beer is better by the way.

 

 

[Guest J*ingus]

Okay, BDub, back the fuck up for a minute here. Where the hell did this inferiority complex bullshit come from allofasudden?

 

There is a reason why America got attacked (flame me all you want) but it is because they are arrogant, domineering, and power hungry.

 

The reason we got attacked was because Osama and his comrades strongly disagreed with our government's foreign policy, mostly regarding Isreal and Saudi Arabia.

 

One poster said that the American army will make those people pay for their attack. Really, I believe that the army has been pretty passive out there.

 

Hundreds (if not thousands) of Taliban and Al Quaeda fighters killed is hardly "passive".

 

All Americans disrespect Canada.

 

Fuck you too. This is where I first got angry with you. You don't even know me, yarblemuncher, so don't even fucking think about presuming what MY thoughts are on any particular subject. If you want to know, ask me. Don't fucking decide for me.

 

I respect Canada because it is a safe place to live.

 

Ask cobainewasmurdered how safe a place it is to live. Within the last two months, a prowler broke into his car in his own driveway, and his next door neighbor was shot by a burglar. Ask him about his bullet and knife scars while you're at it, too. (Strangely enough, as a violent American, I have no such stories.)

 

You will never see conscription in Canada again - sadly, if push came to shove, I would see America resorting to that.

 

So we'd go back to the draft, why, because we don't have enough soldiers? You said yourself, just ONE POST AGO, that we've got a bunch of soldiers sitting around doing nothing. Reconcile those two statements, please.

 

I also find it amusing that many Americans think we live on frozen tundra, in 20 feet on snow, occupy igloos, and drive snowmobiles to get to McDonalds.

 

Anybody who has seen an X-Files episode well knows exactly how Toronto looks.

 

Their pigheadeness showed when a comedian went to America to ask if they know who our PM was, and they had no idea. Thats just downright ignorant and insulting.

 

Two things:

 

1. Plenty of Americans don't know who our own VP or Secretary of State are. It ain't just Canada, so don't go around presenting yourself as a slighted victim of the Great Satan.

 

2. You think that, just maybe, the comedian might've gone and done something really odd called EDITING where he only showed the most idiotic and outrageous responses that he gathered?

 

No, it just shows your ignorance and lack of concern about anything not involving yourselves. Hence why America is considered arrogant.

 

Once again with the mass generalizing. When I start making moose bacon jokes about you, then I'm fair game. Until then, either shut the fuck up or start saying "America (except for Jingus)" while you're making your wild xenophobic claims.

 

So don't devote time to Canada because we aren't a threat? Another example of arrogance. You guys have no problem taking our oil, and other natural resources.

 

We get more oil from Venezuela than we do from Canada, and they're not exactly clogging up the evening news either.

 

American now, from my knowledge, does not pay homage to England at all anymore. While in Canada, we still respect both English and French.

 

Well gee, considering that we only fought TWO WARS over almost a decade's combined time to be free of England in the first place, yeah, I guess it is a bit odd that we refuse to pay them tribute.

 

The word fits perfectly with the fact that many Americans don't know any better than to atleast learn the NAME of our PM.

 

I live in Tennessee. What's the name of my governer? Oh, you don't know? YOU FUCKING ARROGANT PRICK blah blah blaaaaah.

 

My point is that we were the same. Why not learn SOMETHING about your *brothers* north of the border?

 

We were the same... two hundred and twenty-six years ago. And like my compatriots said, the history books in our school don't teach us a damn thing about Canadian history. Don't blame the ignorant for not knowing things that nobody ever bothered to teach them.

 

Oh ya, your countries patriotic stubborness will not put any nation on a plane remotly close to yours. That is my point. You can play any other card you want - but this is a FACT.

 

Name any one country in the world that could defeat us in military action, and then we'll talk. Hell, name any two combined.

 

So are you gonna say that American culture is right when they support child labour camps for your "American companies" by buying Gap or Nike products. Because it will mean more money for the already bloody rich Americans.

 

I live in a little room in a cheap apartment, motherfucker. I have a hard time getting a job that pays even $10 an hour. Don't fucking bitch to me about rich Americans.

 

Why wouldn't you want to enlighten yourself with this information? Oh well, there is CNN. They tell you what is important and, what is not.

 

Well, where else am I supposed to get my news? CNN, CSPAN, and FoxNews are the only news channels on my TV. I could get a dish system or have foreign newspapers imported, but that gets expensive. Internet news sites are usually suspect at best in terms of their bias or accuracy. So what would you suggest?

 

So accoring to your logic, Canada and America have a good trading relationship. Everyone benefits from one another. So since you are benefitting from us, have some sort of relationship with us - shouldn't that entail Americans learning a little bit about our country?

 

If Americans had to learn "a little bit about" every country that we have a trading relationship with, I'd still be in public school today.

 

But we are your neighbor. Since we are "one in the same" it might actually be interesting to learn somethign new.

 

A few posts up, weren't you bitching about the "51st state" remark and how Canada is a separate country, with its own currency and everything?

 

I think this behavior is sadly pretty common in America.

 

Have you ever lived here? How many Americans do you know personally? Watch the broadly-reaching insults, jerky.

 

Another attack in any way, shape, or from would be devastating - and would cause a severe backlash.

 

A severe backlash againt whom? If anything, it would cause more American citizens to agree with Tom and Marney's sentiments about nuking the entire Middle East.

 

I just expect the decency to understand the basic concepts on Canada. The pre-conceived notions about igloos, snow mobiles, ect...While some Americans are at it, why not learn the PM's name too. Thats all I ask. Its about respect.

 

How about having enough fucking respect and decency not to go off on an ill-conceived tirade about how ALL Americans are lazy arrogant pigs? When you personally attack me, I take it personally as well.

 

Personally, for the most part, I do not see much difference between Canadian and American history before 1945. After that, we began to branch out.

 

Yep, because I remember the great huge part that Canada played in the first revolution, Civil War, Western expansionism, the clashes with Mexico and Spain, and us building ourselves into the biggest economic and military powerhouse in history. Oh wait, it didn't.

 

So besides the past 50-60 years, I don't buy the fact you say you are not interested in Canadian history.

 

OK, I'll come out and admit it: I DON'T care about Canada. Just like I don't care about Mexico, or Kazahkistan, or just about anyone else who isn't aiming bombs at my head. In fact, I don't care about a lot of America either. I could give less than a damn about Montana or Iowa (meaning no insult to any Montanese or Ioweneans here), and yes I have been there, it's 95% cornfield. I really only deeply care about my own family and friends, the people whom I personally know and love.

 

And yes, I will come and respond like this EVERY single time that you say "all Americans are/do such-and-such", so put a leash on it, neighbor.

[Guest MrRant]

I agree with Jingus. You seem to have some need for Canada to be recognized as an equal to the US and can't take it if people just don't really care.

[Guest Mikey2Dope]

I live in Tennessee. What's the name of my governer? Oh, you don't know? YOU FUCKING ARROGANT PRICK blah blah blaaaaah.

Good lord man. Ya know what? I don't know who every Premier is of every Province in Canada nor do I know who each Governor or Senator is in the USA. Those are small things. But this is the Prime Minister of a country that is right beside you for christ's sake. I know who the unintelligent redneck is that runs your country. Why can't you people know who the unintelligent senile leader is of MY country? You and Rant seem to be proud of how unintelligent you are when it comes to other countries history. Show some fucking pride.

[Guest J*ingus]

How do you know if I know his name or not? You never asked me.

[Guest Mikey2Dope]

How do you know if I know his name or not? You never asked me.

Well that's why I put people(as in people I meant Americans) so it wouldn't sound like I was saying Jingus doesn't know his name even though you never stated if you did or did not.

[Guest MrRant]

You and Rant seem to be proud of how unintelligent you are when it comes to other countries history. Show some fucking pride.

Right there you said that we didn't know.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I just find it hard to believe that so many people take pride in something that makes them the largest targets for terrorists out of all the countries in the western world.

Myself, I'd rather live in a country where the army is smaller, yet, where I'm safer from attacks such as those on last September 11.

The technical term for this attitude is "cowardice" or "moral degeneracy." When evil men consider you a threat, it is a high compliment. I'm proud to be an American. I'm proud that my country makes people who murder and torture others fear for their lives and the future of their vile cultures. I'm proud to know that terrorists hate me and my countrymen, and I'm proud to live in the country that was targeted on September 11th, 2001.

America is a shining city on a hill. She is a beacon of liberty and justice for the world; she embodies principles that will always be a threat to tyrants around the world, and a promise and a hope to freedom-loving people everywhere. That is why she is a target, and that is why she will always be a target. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

Cyrano: "Don't forget your white scarf."

De Guiche: "Ah, you know about that? Yes, as I was rallying my men for the third charge, I was caught in a rush of fugitives and swept along toward the enemy. I was in danger of being captured or shot when I had the good sense to take off the scarf that showed my rank and drop it on the ground. I was thus able to slip away from the Spaniards without attracting attention, then come back to them, followed by all my men, and beat them! Well, what do you think of that?"

Cyrano: "I think that Henry the Fourth would never have given up his white plume, even when surrounded by the enemy."

De Guiche: "But my trick succeeded!"

Cyrano: "Perhaps, but I don't believe in declining the honour of being a target. You and I, sir, have different ideas of courage. If I had been there when you dropped the scarf, I would have picked it up and put it on."

[Guest Mikey2Dope]

You and Rant seem to be proud of how unintelligent you are when it comes to other countries history. Show some fucking pride.

Right there you said that we didn't know.

"I'm not going to go out of my way to learn about Canada. Its not that I have no respect its just no interest in the politics of Canada."

 

"I have no interest in Canadian history etc."

 

Dude you have been pretty adament throughout this whole post that you don't know much about Canadian history and that you don't care. But anyways I'm too tired to argue so you gentlemen have a good night.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Why you care what Americans think of your country. I don't care what anyone thinks of the U.S.

[Guest Phr33k]

What happened to this thread? It was to express views on Jean Chretien, and it degenerated into Canada vs. America, part who-knows-what.

 

Anyways, the problem here is that America couldn't care less about Canada, and as a result of it, many Canadians became strongly anti-American. I bet you guys didn't know that, up here, "American" is slang for "stupid". On September 11th of last year, a lot of people at my school, while I was worrying about what would happen next, were vaguely indifferent about the attacks, and even said that you guys had it coming. We view you as a bunch of selfish yahoos who wouldn't care if Canada had been the target of terrorists. Sometimes, that's wrong. However, there are times when I think that statement isn't far off.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

We view you as a bunch of selfish yahoos who wouldn't care if Canada had been the target of terrorists. Sometimes, that's wrong. However, there are times when I think that statement isn't far off.

That is absolutely wrong. If Canada had been attacked, we would have done exactly the same things we're doing now.

That's our job.

[Guest danielisthor]

"all that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

An accurate description of the American's attitude towards Hitler, up until they got attacked.

History Lesson time - The United States stood out of War World II, not because we didn't want to stop Hitler, because over 80% of Americans did not want to go fight in another European War. FDR tried on numerous occasions to draw voter opinions torwards going to war in Europe. After Pearl Harbor the US declared war on Japan. Had Germany and Italy not declared war on the US the following day, we never would have gone and fought in Europe.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Damn, I missed that particular lie. Thanks for catching it.

[Guest danielisthor]

Damn, I missed that particular lie. Thanks for catching it.

You are most welcome.

[Guest danielisthor]

I would also like to add in that during both World War's, even when the US was "neutral" and not taking a military action, we were helping our "allies" with financing and supplies throughout.

[Guest Dames Edna]

I didn't mean to generalize all of Americans with the same brush, but it is poor when someone doesn't know who our PM is - simple as that.

 

Many of you guys have this arrogant American attitutde. Though Osama was/is a complete nut, and completely out of control - there must be a reason why he attacked American instead of Britain, France, or Canada. Your country is resented by a lot of people in every part of the world. If you don't believe that, then you are niave. I don't think I am the only one who shares these views about America - and I don't intend on debating them with a board consisting of over 80% Americans. I'll easily lose the debate because of the sheer numbers debating against me. Thats fine - I said my point.

 

And if you guys don't see that American is percieved as arrogant, and all those other traits I'll mentioned previously - ALWAYS REMEMBER that Canadians must wear a Canadian flag on their backpack just to get treated with an iota of respect.

[Guest danielisthor]

As far as the US and Canada being the same. We were the same up until 1776. I would assume that the Canadians at the time we're being over taxed just as we Americans were. We decided that we weren't going to take it anymore. We revolted, you didn't. Appearantly being 2nd class citizens to the mother country was good enough for you guys. Thankfully for us, it wasn't. You had 2 wars, to take our side, become apart of the United States. Both times, you sided with Britian. Do i fault you. no. it was canada's choice. Your forefathers either liked what was happening to them or lacked the backbones and gonads to do something about it.