Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Season 7

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I don't know the eps.'s name, but it was the one where they were all dreaming w/ the protoslayer haunting them. That eps. is gold and is fun to watch esp. when Giles says "I should have killed him" when talking about spike.

 

I think Giles was right in wanting to kill Spike - he was a liability. He saw it as a Ben-situation where Buffy was too strong hearted to kill him.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

He also had one in "Becoming" after the vampire snapped his arm.

I knew about that one. That was the first time he really got something bad.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

I don't know the eps.'s name, but it was the one where they were all dreaming w/ the protoslayer haunting them. That eps. is gold and is fun to watch esp. when Giles says "I should have killed him" when talking about spike.

 

I think Giles was right in wanting to kill Spike - he was a liability. He saw it as a Ben-situation where Buffy was too strong hearted to kill him.

Restless is the dream episode with the first slayer, season 4 final.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

There we go. Great eps. Best representation of Dreaming on screen that I have ever seen.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

My favorite part of Restless is Giles and Spike on the swings.

 

Spike: "Giles it teachin me to be a watcher."

Giles: *smiles* "He's like a son to me."

 

*Then later as they're swinging*

Giles: "Put your back into it! A watcher scoffs at gravity!"

[Guest Mole]

That is my 3rd favorite finale.

[Guest Madmartigan21]

What ever happened to finding out the meaning of , "From beneath you it devours," being a big key in defeating the First? This last episode was the first time I've heard it mentioned in quite some time. And even so, it was only by some guy the cops were hauling in as Willow was doing her less than funny version of the Jedi mind trick bit.

[Guest the pinjockey]

Wasn't Buffy totally backtracking once she got to the "strategize" line? I'm not sure, but I thought she basically wanted to go in, guns blazing, and then after meeting resistance she said that they could strategize.

I can't recall myself. Maybe after pinjockey or someone else downloads it, they can look at the scene and tell us.

My take after seeing it wasn't really backtracking. She never really gave the strategy other that "We have to go in there" So being open to options how wasnt really backtracking.

 

As for the main plotline after this episode I hope the only people left in the world are Xander, Spike, Andrew, and Buffy. The SiTs deserve to die for turning like that, Dawn needs to die horribly for thinking she means something, Anya was always tactless so she can die quick, and Willow disappointed me in not even listening to Buffy's plan before jumping ship. At least Xander has a reason to be hesitant. I can see not liking her plan, but to completely mutiny when the end of the world is coming. Christ who do you want leading you the slayer who has saved the world and pretty much perfected to craft or the slayer who was willing to get you drunk and go dancing? I want buffy to go join Caleb just so she can take care of a few SiTs herself.

 

And I want Rona to die the most awful, violent, painful death that a TV character has ever been put through.

[Guest Sakura]

I was mad at Anya but not as much as with the SITs. Anya doesn't mean to be tactless. She is just saying what's on her mind regardless of how it makes anyone feel. She doesn't see that as a problem. The SITs on the other hand should know better. Plus Anya has a LOT more fieldtime than them and is pretty much a scooby.

 

It pisses me off that the SITs would argue with anyone about what the right move is to make.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

I like Anya's deal about always speaking what's on her mind no matter how wrong or how stupid it comes off.

 

I still don't like how they ended the episode. After one person turned on Buffy you knew everyone was going to fall in line.

 

And let's not forget Faith kills people, you'd at least think Xander, Willow, and Giles would recall that.

[Guest the pinjockey]

And let's not forget Faith kills people, you'd at least think Xander, Willow, and Giles would recall that.

To hell with other people, lets remember she tried to kill them. Without being under the influence of anything like Buffy was in the asylum episode.

 

I am also trying to figure out why Wood gets any say at all as well. I have seen him kill maybe a half dozen vamps and the only other thing I remember him doing was the Spike plot. At least Giles has seven years of precedent to make up for it. Wood gets a say why? Because he is the son of a slayer?

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Wood's just there cause he's a fighter who just happens not to be evil, he doesn't bring shit to the table right now. I liked the character better when you didn't know what side he was on.

[Guest LaParkaMarka]

Why shouldn't the SiTs have some sort of say in what's going on? From their perspective, it was a suicide mission. I'd balk too.

 

The "vote" was really dumb though...Buffy is definately the leader. Kicking her out was just really weird and odd. I don't see Giles/Willow etc being so vindictive that they would actually want Faith to take over.

[Guest the pinjockey]

I would want a say in the strategy of going in there if I was a SiT, I would probably be hesitant of going in there, but this whole saga is going to be a suicide mission for 90% of them so you give your two cents then fall in line like Buffy said.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I just think Buffy should have kicked some SIT ass and bring down the lords thunder on all those who oppose.

[Guest the pinjockey]

She should have snapped Rona's neck. Like the one officer in the 1800s (Aaron Burr?) chopped the arm off a guy who pointed a gun at him attempting to mutiny. Show them an example of their disobedience.

 

Plus I just wanted her dead, feel free to substitute Dawn for Rona if you prefer.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Why not both?

[Guest the pinjockey]

Save one for a future example. Then after the third strike you just go completely nuts on all of them.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Hmm, then make that dawn. Buffy should have went to hit her, but then realize that her anger must be taken out on someone else... and then boot Rona right out the window, rip off her arm, and beat her to death with it.

[Guest the pinjockey]

Or just knock her out and throw her into the vineyard for Caleb to play with. I am sure he could think of some things to make time pass.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

If Joss will give me a dead Dawn or a dead Rona before the season's up I'll be happy. I'll settle for just one of their deaths now.

[Guest Mole]

Dawn is going to die, I have the gut feeling.

 

And I think the whole Buffy not being a leader thing is just building up so Buffy can come back in and save the day. Faith isn't a leader, and she knows that. Buffy is a true leader and will get her job back. Just watch, it will happen.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

Dawn is going to die, I have the gut feeling.

 

And I think the whole Buffy not being a leader thing is just building up so Buffy can come back in and save the day. Faith isn't a leader, and she knows that. Buffy is a true leader and will get her job back. Just watch, it will happen.

Augh, that would be so lame... unfortunately, it's also likely and makes sense.

 

Oh, and I'm also lobbying for the bloody death of Rona.

[Guest Mole]

How is that lame? How else would it happen?

 

I don't see it as lame, just building up the storyline, building towards the climax.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Its lame because Buffy has been portrayed as a horribly shitty leader. So of course, that is exactly what will happen.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Its lame because Buffy has been portrayed as a horribly shitty leader. So of course, that is exactly what will happen.

...SHE KEEPS SAVING THE WORLD!

 

And in the long run she's lead very few people to bloody deaths. Her attacks on Angelas, The Mayor, The Initive, and Glory went off with few deaths and were successes.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

I can't say anything about The Initiative or Glory because I watched little of Seasons Four or Five, but in Angelus' case, the only person who went in with her for the final battle was Xander. Who could possibly casualties? Only four people on Buffy's side were there! (Buffy, Xander, Giles, and Spike, technically) And let's not forget her screwing up and getting Giles kidnapped, Willow in a comatose state, and Kendra KILLED. Clearly she didn't have much there.

 

The Mayor, however, is a different story, and you're right. That went off very well, especially considering that it was Sunnydale High students versus a demon snake and vampires.

 

However, this time she's clearly outmatched and outwitted. Caleb and the First were COUNTING on a second attack on the Vinyard! Buffy was going to lead them into ANOTHER trap, probably get more SITs killed and possibly another one of the Scoobies killed, maimed, or injured! EVERYONE else saw how stupid this was, and I think they had a right to uh, y'know, not want to die.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

In the long run with Angelas it worked out, Kendra was a Slayer and should have been able to at least save herself. But ultimatly saved the world from doom, and one death is a good price for that.

 

I think the trap they were talking about was the seal at the school. I think that's the trap Faith is going to lead them to, not the vinyard.

[Guest Ripper]

Hey hey hey!!!! She didn't screw up in the getting Giles kidnapped....Angelus just had a good plan. She left 4 friends with a Slayer to protect them while she went to get Angelus. That was actually a pretty good plan...Angelus just had a better one.

 

I still can't wait to see what exactly do the the rest of them want to do about the whole APOCALYPSE thing coming. Because besides Buffy, all the rest of them have done is hook-up with SiT's(Willow) go find more girls Buffy has to protect since it is so absurb for her to expect them to fucking fight(Giles) have sex with ex-demons and fix windows(Xander) and be all up tight about her ex fiance(Anya). Oh and lets not forget about the getting the targets of mass assasination drunk(Faith) and trying to take out the second best fighter because when he was without a soul he killed your mom(Wood). Buffy was actually pretty damn accurate in her accertion that Spike has been the only one that has had her back with Faith adding a tiny smiggin of a bit last week. BUFFY had to come up with the plan to kill Uber-vamp, SHE has had to jump into portals to find out what the First Slayer wanted, SHE has had to fight bringers to save bitchy little dreadlocked potentials to her home, SHE is the one working and providing food for the previously mentioned whiners, WHAT HAVE THE OTHERS DONE.

 

I'm sorry but thier genious plan of sitting around doing nothing isn't gonna cut it.

 

Thier first attack on Caleb wasn't that bad compared to, oh I don't know, all of them dying and the rest of the world with them. So they lost Obvious Victim#1 and Molly and Xander lost an eye. THE FREAKIN WORLD IS ENDING. And from the previews of next week show, they look like fucking a whole lot is their plan to beat Caleb and the First. Yeah...thats a lot better than actually going to fight the guy.

[Guest the pinjockey]

However, this time she's clearly outmatched and outwitted. Caleb and the First were COUNTING on a second attack on the Vinyard! Buffy was going to lead them into ANOTHER trap, probably get more SITs killed and possibly another one of the Scoobies killed, maimed, or injured! EVERYONE else saw how stupid this was, and I think they had a right to uh, y'know, not want to die.

This is war though. Every confrontation they have is likely going to be a situation where they may all die. And Faith herself said that it was time to see what the girls can do. And they have run out of leads except for Spike and Andrew's journey and who knows how long they would be away. If the SiTs arguement was lets wait for them to get back and see what they found out, OK that is a reasonable request. But they were more concerned about voting in a popularity contest and having a full blown mutiny.

 

Their actions did show that they weren't ready for battle by being completely terrified in their first glimpse of adversity, but it also shows that they need to fall in line behind the one person who is ready because they can not be trusted to think on their own.