Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Season 7

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

2 has so many throw away episodes it isn't even funny.

 

Even after the Angel heel turn the next 2 eps have NOTHING to do with it (although those 2 eps were actually real good, Phases and BB&B)

 

When I watch the season I skip most of season 2, almost none of season 3, only one ep from season 6 (Doublemeat Palace) and only one from season 7 (Him).

 

Season 2 had a great arc...that was really only important to about 5 episodes that weren't even in a row.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

*bump* post wasn't showing up

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Touched was also very awesome.

 

If your such a fan of season 3 than you should like that ep if only because it is the single most important Buffy episode dealing with Faith's arc since the 2 parter in season 4.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Season 2 also has my least favorite episode in "Ted"

 

I hated that episode.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I liked Ted...although it is one I skip.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

So back to my question from the last page. The Demon from "I Robot You Jane" looks just like the Demon that Giles turns into in "A New Man"

 

Was that on purpose or just laziness? Or am I the only one that thinks that?

[Guest fazzle]

7,6,5 on the bottom?

 

Looks like fazzle signed off right when the show got more grown up, serious and character heavy.

Or when the show lost any sense of fun, and the characters lost everything that was good about them. How is having them act more childish making the show "more grown up?"

 

It actually started with season 4, but the episodes were still as a whole enjoyable a lot more than they weren't. Starting with season 5, it became a rare occurance to get an actually GOOD episode. The show prided itself on strong female characters....and then it turned Willow and Buffy into meek little girls that can't control themselves in season 6. Season 5 introduced the most universally reviled character in the show's history, and for me didn't have any redeemable qualities after the first viewings of the shows. Season 7 just destroyed the entire Slayer mythos, not to mention that it's villian was pointless. Ooooooooh....it talks menacingly, and is too stupid to even take advantage of all the dead people Buffy knows.

[Guest Cavi]

I was just watching the ep, and I can't exactly say that the Fyarl demon came to mind when I saw the robot.

 

"I don't stand for that kind of malarky in my house!" I get a kick out of Ted.

 

I have never liked ranking the seasons, so I won't do that, but I think that seasons One and Seven are my least favorite. With Seven, the SiT stuff was just crap. And there was the dropping of angles and whatnot, which has been discussed before.

 

And, of course, Rona...DIE!!

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I was just watching the ep, and I can't exactly say that the Fyarl demon came to mind when I saw the robot.

 

"I don't stand for that kind of malarky in my house!" I get a kick out of Ted.

 

I have never liked ranking the seasons, so I won't do that, but I think that seasons One and Seven are my least favorite. With Seven, the SiT stuff was just crap. And there was the dropping of angles and whatnot, which has been discussed before.

 

And, of course, Rona...DIE!!

No not the Robot......the Demon itself. It was the same basic design.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Season 2 also has my least favorite episode in "Ted"

 

I hated that episode.

"I won't stand for malarky in my house, young lady."

 

TED KICKS ASS!

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Maybe I need to watch it again. I just didn't like it that much.

[Guest fazzle]

Season 2 also had my least favorite episode, Go Fish. It was bad enough to make me stop watching for 4+ years.

[Guest TUS_02]

Even though Ted didn't do anything for the season... it did help further the relationship with Buffy and Joyce... which plays a key role in the whole series.

 

...or maybe I'm just scrapping the barrel here.

[Guest Cavi]

No not the Robot......the Demon itself.  It was the same basic design.

Oh, heh. I misunderstood.

 

But yeah, Moloch does share similarities with the Fyarl.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Just a quick poll...

 

does anyone agree with fazzle that the show sucked after season 4?

 

I just want to know if anyone else has any reasons to agree so I know how many pages my response is going to be.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I don't agree. I find myself being able to get into the later seasons more than the older seasons. Not that I don't like the older seasons and not that I'd rank them lower, but on the FX reruns I find myself not tuning in until Season 4 since there are episodes in those seasons I still haven't seen.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

5 comes after 4... right?

 

Then no, I don't agree with him.

[Guest Mole]

I don't agree. I liked season 6 a lot, and for people to say what Buffy did with Spike was out of character gets me pissed.

 

She was in heaven, the happiest place ever, and she gets pulled out of it by her friends. She looks for comfort in Spike because she knows he loves her and the sex will be good. I am sure that sex with Riley wasn't all that great for her; she couldn't go all at it with him because he would get hurt. However with Spike, she could use all her powers and I am sure you get the picture.

 

I am sure some of you agree with me and some don't.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I don't agree. I liked season 6 a lot, and for people to say what Buffy did with Spike was out of character gets me pissed.

 

She was in heaven, the happiest place ever, and she gets pulled out of it by her friends. She looks for comfort in Spike because she knows he loves her and the sex will be good. I am sure that sex with Riley wasn't all that great for her; she couldn't go all at it with him because he would get hurt. However with Spike, she could use all her powers and I am sure you get the picture.

 

I am sure some of you agree with me and some don't.

Plus with Riley pregnancy was an issue, but with Spike it wasn't.

 

Although she had sex with Riley more than any of her boyfriends. In one episode alone!

[Guest fazzle]

does anyone agree with fazzle that the show sucked after season 4?

I don't think I ever said it sucked after season 4, but if I did I didn't really mean it. It sucked on a "Buffy scale" so to speak. There was just a noticible drop in quality sfter season 4. It became just another show, instead of something really special.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

The whole Heaven story doesn't do much for me. It's not like you saw her there or anything

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

My turn! Yay!

 

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And I love em all. 4 has been improved by my recent rewatch, and that and 7 could easily swap. The only things that are really solid at this point are the top two, I think.

 

I agree with Season 2's problem--it's good, but with the exception of "School Hard" and "Lie To Me", it doesn't start getting GREAT until "Innocence." All the subtle arc stuff leading up to then helps a lot, but you're really in season 2 for the last 10 eps. Unfortunately, mushed in there with 7 of the show's best eps ever, none of which I'd rate lower than a 8 on a 1-10 scale...are "Go Fish" and "Killed By Death," which are both in my bottom 5 eps, period. By the time season 3 rolled around, they'd gotten the crappy one-offs out of their system, thankfully.

 

I still love 6 and 7. They're darker, but they're important, and I like seeing the characters go through dramatic paces. More missteps than usual, but still excellent from where I sit.

[Guest fazzle]

The whole Heaven story doesn't do much for me. It's not like you saw her there or anything

*ding*

 

If it happens offscreen, it didn't happen. Kinda like wrestling and stuff that's not on TV.

 

It's nice for a backstory, but not for a driving force.

[Guest TUS_02]

I have a question for you guys... do you feel, especially in Seasons 1 and 2... that those monster of the week episodes weren't throw-a-way shows, but instead developed a certain character, or a storyline further along the road. I understand that there are better ways of doing it, but personally, I feel some of these throw-a-ways do better in the long run if you think about the focus and how they developed because of it.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

I have a question for you guys... do you feel, especially in Seasons 1 and 2... that those monster of the week episodes weren't throw-a-way shows, but instead developed a certain character, or a storyline further along the road. I understand that there are better ways of doing it, but personally, I feel some of these throw-a-ways do better in the long run if you think about the focus and how they developed because of it.

In some cases, you're dead right. "I Robot, You Jane," for example, is a lame monster of the week, but absolutely positively where Willow's magical roots begin. Even the monster-of-the-weeks in early season 2 like "Some Assembly Required" or "Reptile Boy" developed the Buffy/Angel relationship quite crucially. There's no unredeemable Buffy ep, as far as I see it, and even the lamest monster-of-the-weeks have a few good character moments and a few good laughs. "Doublemeat Palace," one of the more widely deplored monster-of-the-weeks from later on, takes the Buffy/Spike relationship into even darker places, presents Buffy with the challenge of real world employment, and has a few really nice quiet moments between Buffy and Tara.

[Guest fazzle]

"Doublemeat Palace," one of the more widely deplored monster-of-the-weeks from later on, takes the Buffy/Spike relationship into even darker places, presents Buffy with the challenge of real world employment, and has a few really nice quiet moments between Buffy and Tara.

Plus it has a giant penis! You can't go wrong with giant penii!

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Season 4 is a lot more solid then people give it credit for. I know there's the Riley hate, but I actually liked the comando deal

[Guest Cavi]

I liked that the Intiative gave the season its own distinct feel. I'm not much of a Riley hater either.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

After rewatching season 4 (and being in the midst of a lengthy write-up), I agree. It's very rarely bad and very often good. The most noticeable problem is that, with the exception of "Wild at Heart" and "New Moon Rising," there are very few of the mature emotional peaks and valleys that you get in the rest of the seasons. It's a very risky season and great at illustrating transitions, but there's really nothing as visceral as Buffy vs. Angelus or "Lie to Me," "Innocence," "Passion," or "Becoming." Nor does it have the emotional and human whirlwinds of eps like “The Wish” or Faith’s whole fall from grace, nor does it hit the indescribable climaxes of “The Body” and “The Gift.” With the exception of "Hush," I don't think it even hits the blow-you-away horror of "Conversations with Dead People" or "Dirty Girls" from the show's late period.

 

It's a very subtle year, for better and for worse.

[Guest fazzle]

But it also had Adam and Parker. Ew.