Finish changed at last minute for ppv match

[Guest tetsubeav]

And I'm going to bitch until Brock does soemthing to earn the belt.

One question, did you bitch during Angle's last title reign when all he really did to "earn" the belt was happen to be in the right gimmick at the right time?

[Guest Trivia247]

Im so glad you people were physically backstage and easedropping on these meetings with Brock Vince HHH Heyman Undertaker and Steph. What were you under the table with a laptop?

[Guest Anglesault]

One question, did you bitch during Angle's last title reign when all he really did to "earn" the belt was happen to be in the right gimmick at the right time?

 

That whole reign was a mess. They put the belt on him a month to late, and his reign was the very definition of "booked to fail"

 

Stupid to put it on him.

 

 

It might have also been a reward for having a MotYC with Austin (I think at some point, the were giving him the belt, just not Unforgiven-or maybe they were. My feelings on Unforgiven have been stated many times.)

 

Question for you... who is more likely to have lobbied (if anyone *did* lobby, mind you), for this finish?

 

1) Brock "Please don't let me gain heat" Lesner

2) Under "Pulled this shit in the past" Taker

 

Also, who would benefit most from looking strong in the match?

 

1) Brock "Booked to be heatless" Lesner

2) Under "The Marks love me no matter what" Taker

 

Anyone who kills RVD, Hulk Hogan and Rock, is given one of the better promo guys in the company as his manager, and gets a verbal blow job from the announcer's is not booked to be heatless. Ever think he maybe the fans don't like THREE MINUTE REST HOLDS in their matches? His matches aren't exactly tearing the house down.

[Guest Trivia247]

I think just to piss people off further Taker should have SLAPPED on the Trapesis Hold of DEATH on Brock for 5 minutes .

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Well if you're just trying to piss people off, I think Brock should squash Angle and Benoit on Smackdown for the next 3 months. He should keep the belt for the next year, even if he's unover.

 

boo fricken hoo [/Trivia247]

[Guest tetsubeav]

Im so glad you people were physically backstage and easedropping on these meetings with Brock Vince HHH Heyman Undertaker and Steph. What were you under the table with a laptop?

<*sigh*>

 

who is more likely to have lobbied (if anyone *did* lobby, mind you), for this finish?

 

 

Note the emphasis. No one here knows for sure. However, I find it veeeery hard to believe that the bookers alone would make a last minute change for this match which only serves to postpone the true finish for another PPV.

[Guest tetsubeav]

Anyone who kills RVD, Hulk Hogan and Rock

 

Yet you leave out his barn-burner opponents in the likes of Mark Henry, Rikishi and the like.

 

gets a verbal blow job from the announcer's is not booked to be heatless.

 

Verbal blowjobs mean nothing when you give him the belt then:

 

1) Make him "exclusive" to one show

 

2) Make him a 1/2 champ split with HHH and the ego-belt

 

3) Have his first feud with the belt be against the Undertaker

 

4) Have his first PPV match defense the clusterfuck from last night

 

Yeah... that's the formula to make people care about him as champ.

[Guest Anglesault]

Yet you leave out his barn-burner opponents in the likes of Mark Henry, Rikishi and the like.

 

Angle faced them too, and he's over.

 

Verbal blowjobs mean nothing when you give him the belt then:

 

1) Make him "exclusive" to one show

 

The show with the fake crowd heat? It was for his own benefit. It would have been humiliating for him to go out every live Raw and get silence.

 

) Have his first feud with the belt be against the Undertaker

 

In theory, a feud with Taker should have gotten him over.

 

4) Have his first PPV match defense the clusterfuck from last night

 

Angle's first PPV title defense was basically the same thing. And he stayed over. (If uncredible)

[EL DANDY~! 0]

So I guess people are forgetting how Brock SHOULD have gone over in the first place...

 

 

..and that is CHEAT TO WIN~! Is it NOT THAT hard, man? Benoit did it, and now he and Angle are going to tear it up some more! Why not let Hardy nail UT with a chairshot, and then have Brock hit the F5 for the win, and THEN let UT said he cheated and stuff...blah blah blah, make it a blood feud, and WOLLAH! Big time match with Brock to get him over some more, if any. But OF COURSE, the PoochieTaker decided he knows all (He went to KNU-Kevin Nash University), and says his way is best. What a load of shit, and damn that big fucking slow HOSS to hell, because unless he decides to be the AWESOMETaker again, instead of this son of a bitch, I'm not even interested anymore.

[Guest Anglesault]

..and that is CHEAT TO WIN~! Is it NOT THAT hard, man? Benoit did it, and now he and Angle are going to tear it up some more!

Or, more accurately, they are rewarded for having a MotY by continuing this STUPID heel vs Heel feud (Why are they feuding) because lord knows a match like that doesn't earn you a main event push or at the evry least, some sort of direction. Because the fans (allegedly) don't want Angle and Benoit, they want BROCK. Or something.

[EL DANDY~! 0]

I think AS will agree with me...

 

gimme Angle vs. Brock at SS and watch me grin as Angle takes his ass to the mat like Brock is his little bitch...I don't fuckin care. Oh, and I got a great 8-man for that little shindig

 

Guerreros, Benoit, and RVD vs. UT and HHH-WINDOW PAIN MATCH-In order to win the match, you have to take UT or HHH and break the Glass Ceiling above the ring...

[Guest Anglesault]

I think AS will agree with me...

 

gimme Angle vs. Brock at SS and watch me grin as Angle takes his ass to the mat like Brock is his little bitch...I don't fuckin care.

One can only hope

[EL DANDY~! 0]

Make it two, brah

[Guest Anglesault]

I really hope they send Brock on one of those Hardy "come back when you don't suck" vacations. And have him drop some weight, so maybe he won't be slow and plodding and winded.

[EL DANDY~! 0]

Anybody think he can hit the SSP at his size right now?> I'm not really sure...

[Guest Anglesault]

Sure, but he'd be too winded to cover the guy. The opponent would have to drag Brock on top of him.

[Guest Trivia247]

oh so deserving he is. Yoda speaks.

[EL DANDY~! 0]

over he is not...time come it will...for use of SSP....yes...

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Regardless of whether you think Brock deserves it or not, he's the champ, the foundation on which they need to build, and the guy that needs to be protected. Taker, doing what he did, completely undermined everything they've tried to do with Brock, and it's completely unprofesional. We saw it in the #1 contender's match on the Raw after Summerslam, and we saw it again last night. There's no reason for it, other than Taker's desperate attempt to convince everyone of his importance.

 

Unacceptable.

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

I find it funny that people are using the arguement of "What has Brock done to even deserve the Title or even been put over the Undertaker?"

 

What did Taker do to deserve his first Title win over Hulk Fuckin' Hogan?

 

Taker takes 8-9 months off due to injury, and then almost retired. Then came back and got to destroy everyone in DX and got to run over everyone in the Company. Even though he was in the worst shape of his life in 2000 into 2001.

 

Should Brock be Champion? Hell No! But, he is. So, the WWE has to make that decision work and make Brock look worthy. What Taker did last night was Not what was good for the Company and didn't prove to anyone what a So-Called "Locker Room Leader" he is.

 

Btw, I'm not a Taker "Hater" either.

[Guest Anglesault]

Regardless of whether you think Brock deserves it or not, he's the champ, the foundation on which they need to build, a

Buildig on a foundation made of mud is a stupid thing to do.

 

What did Taker do to deserve his first Title win over Hulk Fuckin' Hogan?

 

He was over.

 

 

Should Brock be Champion? Hell No! But, he is. So, the WWE has to make that decision work and make Brock look worthy.

 

He should hold up his end as well, and do something to make fans care. And my opinion is that the WWF picked Brock over 6 capable guys, and they are now paying the price. They made their bed.

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

Call me crazy, but haven't the Fans been cheering Brock? They were again last night.

 

Of course you can't tell on Smackdown.

[Guest jester]

I have to laugh when people call Lesnar a "monster heel." He was a monster heel for about two seconds, back when he was doing his run-ins. Remember, he used to no sell chairshots.

 

About the time of the Flight From Hell, then he started selling the Hardy Boys offense. After that, he got weaker and weaker, needing Heyman to interfere. And now the UT slaps him around.

 

I don't find Brock particularly interesting, but what I just don't understand what WWE is thinking when they book Brock. They treat him like a midcarder they're thinking about pushing. Problem: he's wearing the belt.

 

Anyway, this won't damage his heat, thanks to the miracle of an editing studio.

[Guest bravesfan]

So Undertaker simply must lay down his Entire gimmick and Career to Push this Mega Main Eventer. Right???

Well since Taker has not jobbed cleanly since 1999, he should be giving a rub to a young wrestler, yes?

 

He has crapped on both Hardys, Trips, Austin, Hogan, Angle, Benoit, Brock and the ENTIRE Raw and Smackdown roster in this year ALONE, yet he can't draw decent buyrates? Decent matches? Even lose a match by a screwjob? to the FUCKING WORLD CHAMPION? While he comes to the ring riding the Ultimate Heat Catchment System?

 

My god, his loyal marks would cheer him if he lost to Crash Holly clean. Do the job at No Mercy and move on!

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Any kind of foundation is better than none at all. Undertaker isn't foundation, hell, he can barely even support himself. That's no one to build the company around, and it's hardly the type of person who should be put over the company's big prospect.

 

And Undertaker has proved time and time again that no matter how over he is, he isn't going to put buts in the seats, or keep fan interest on his own. They have spent a long time building up Lesnar for his current spot, and even though they did a pretty shody job most of the time, all of that goes down the drain once someone like Taker decides he doesn't want to job to him. That's unacceptable, unprofesional, and despicable.

 

Your "Burry the guy, even though he's got the world title and six months of build-up" logic doesn't really hold up here.

[Guest BoboBrazil]

Here is some more:

 

"Apparently the controversy over the finish of the Brock Lesnar vs. Undertaker match at Unforgiven was worse than previously reported. Apparently the response from the crowd of the no-finish was the same of those backstage throughout the entire day when the decision was made to go with that finish. Reportedly a lot of tempers flared over the decision to change the finish of the match, which was originally scheduled for Lesnar to go over via pinfall, but changed due to backstage politics.

 

Theoretically, there is always the possibility to go with a re-match between Undertaker and Brock Lesnar with Lesnar getting the clean pin, but many were angry that if that was a possibility to begin with, meaning Undertaker agreeing to job clean to Lesnar, why wasn't it done in the first place.

 

A lot of writers and upper management were really against the idea to change the finish of the match, expecting the response from the crowd that it got. In fact, Brock Lesnar was reportedly upset that Undertaker lobbied to Vince with his 'locker room leader' politics and refusing to let Lesnar pin him at the last second. Apparently something is going to happen at SmackDown! this week to try and salvage the image of Lesnar getting screwed out of the pinfall over 'Taker at Unforgiven."

 

 

Of course Undertaker won't be punished for this either. Anyone else besides HHH or Undertaker would be fired

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Where'd that last post come from?

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest BoboBrazil]

I saw it on the 1wrestling forum. They didn't give a source.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

If they do anything involving Mrs Ed having a miscarriage than don't even bother.

[Guest Anglesault]

Your "Burry the guy, even though he's got the world title and six months of build-up" logic doesn't really hold up here.

No, that's for my own personal amusement. They refuse to give the belt to a guy that has earned it, I'll enjoy watching them dig themselves deeper with TUW