Who here will watch No Mercy?

[Guest CanadianChick]

Well thats a little obvious...I'm just glad that WWE hasn't actually signed Goldberg. I hate that guy!

[Guest Austin420]

Ummm you stated your opinion and AS disagreed with you and you now are like debating and trying to get your points across.

 

I like Kane too but he's best as Hot Tag. You know- he stands on the apron, claps his hand and gets the hot tag and proceeds to come in and clean house and make everyone happy.

 

Kane is not more over then Booker T. Booker T has all the tools needed to be a main eventer and has paid a lot more dues then Kane and oh yea- HE IS OVER!!!

 

It should be Booker v. HHH, not Booker v. Kane

I was just responding th Angleplexs questions, I stated my opinion and that was all. Just like your opinion is that Booker should be facing HHH.

 

But one thing you are wrong about is that Booker has paid more dues. Maybe in the wCw, but not in the big leagues of the WWE.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Well, and that little "over" thing..but I guess that dosen't matter..

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

But one thing you are wrong about is that Booker has paid more dues.  Maybe in the wCw, but not in the big leagues of the WWE.

How exactly has Kane paid dues, and more dues than Booker T? Bad gimmicks warrant a main event push? What the hell does paying dues really mean? Shit like that justifies Billy Gunn getting a push of some sort every six months.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

We all know "paying your dues" is a load of crap anyway. (again..see Lesnar, Brock)

[Guest bob_barron]

Ummm you stated your opinion and AS disagreed with you and you now are like debating and trying to get your points across.

 

I like Kane too but he's best as Hot Tag. You know- he stands on the apron, claps his hand and gets the hot tag and proceeds to come in and clean house and make everyone happy.

 

Kane is not more over then Booker T. Booker T has all the tools needed to be a main eventer and has paid a lot more dues then Kane and oh yea- HE IS OVER!!!

 

It should be Booker v. HHH, not Booker v. Kane

I was just responding th Angleplexs questions, I stated my opinion and that was all. Just like your opinion is that Booker should be facing HHH.

 

But one thing you are wrong about is that Booker has paid more dues. Maybe in the wCw, but not in the big leagues of the WWE.

I think being made to look like a bitch for the first year of your career, teaming with the Big Bossman, feuding over shampoo, teaming with Test, not getting anything in the feud with the nWo, being jobbed in the opening match in your hometown, not winning a ppv match (except for invasion) until 13 months into your stay in the company and having to get over on your own because the WWE won't do anything for you and finally getting over and still get jobbed out-

 

I think that is the definition of paying dues

[Guest Brian]

Booker was treated like shit for the last year. That's got to count for something. Kane even in his lost periods has looked strong.

 

Anyways, the main difference is that by creating a Goldberg-like persona, you can keep said person under control. Hence, you get him selling and almost jobbing to the Hardys, not decisively winning his pre-title feud, and thus he doesn't look as strong when it comes to being champ. Still, you can keep said star from getting a bigger head rather than getting one that's already polished an ego.

[Guest Austin420]

But one thing you are wrong about is that Booker has paid more dues.  Maybe in the wCw, but not in the big leagues of the WWE.

How exactly has Kane paid more dues, and more dues than Booker T? Bad gimmicks warrant a main event push? What the hell does paying dues really mean? Shit like that justifies Billy Gunn getting a push of some sort every six months.

I really don't get your point, because Billy does get a push about every six months or so.

[Guest Austin420]

I think being made to look like a bitch for the first year of your career, teaming with the Big Bossman, feuding over shampoo, teaming with Test, not getting anything in the feud with the nWo, being jobbed in the opening match in your hometown, not winning a ppv match (except for invasion) until 13 months into your stay in the company and having to get over on your own because the WWE won't do anything for you and finally getting over and still get jobbed out-

 

I think that is the definition of paying dues

You have a point there my friend, the shampoo thing sucked. I wouldn't have even made Crash do something so stupid!

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Yes, he does, and usually the justificiation for that is "well, he's been in the company so long, he deserves it".

 

What I am asking is how has Kane paid dues, enough that it warrants being pushed over Booker T, and how has Kane paid MORE dues than Booker? Comprende?

[Guest Austin420]

Yes, he does, and usually the justificiation for that is "well, he's been in the company so long, he deserves it".

 

What I am asking is how has Kane paid dues, enough that it warrants being pushed over Booker T, and how has Kane paid MORE dues than Booker? Comprende?

Alrighty then. How about having to be in all those shitty Inferno Matches that were supposed to be his speciality. If I recall correctly he never won a single one of them. Having him team with X-punk. That one alone deserves a title reign of at least a year. And last but not least, having to keep the shitty "I got burned as a child and I have to wear a mask" gimmick. If you give me a little more time I am sure I can come up with a few more.

 

I did think of another one, that goddamn Kane-arooni!

[Guest Austin420]

Since it seems as I am the only Kane mark on this board, I have added a sig in his honor until he wins at No Mercy.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

If we're going the "pay your dues" argument, Booker has Kane licked. Book wasn't allowed the luxury of not selling for most of his opponents, or being booked as a monster, or having the comentators put him over repeatedly..

 

Booker was the WCW Champion at the time of the Invasion..and was a joke.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Alrighty then. How about having to be in all those shitty Inferno Matches that were supposed to be his speciality. If I recall correctly he never won a single one of them.

If they were shitty, then how does that make Kane deserving to be a main eventer? Whether or not he won them is irrelevant.

Having him team with X-punk.  That one alone deserves a title reign of at least a year.

I wonder what can be said about Booker T being anchored by Stevie Ray for years and years, sometimes AFTER singles pushes (late 99 for instance).

 

And last but not least, having to keep the shitty "I got burned as a child and I have to wear a mask" gimmick.

 

Dude, if he didn't have that gimmick we wouldn't have this discussion.

 

I did think of another one, that goddamn Kane-arooni!

 

OK, you just said that you don't like his "I have to wear a mask as I was burned" gimmick, and you don't like the Kane-arooni which represents his new 'fun-loving' "I have a personality now" gimmick. So tell me, how do YOU want Kane to be portrayed? Don't contradict yourself now!

[Guest Austin420]

Alrighty then.  How about having to be in all those shitty Inferno Matches that were supposed to be his speciality.  If I recall correctly he never won a single one of them.

If they were shitty, then how does that make Kane deserving to be a main eventer? Whether or not he won them is irrelevant.

Having him team with X-punk.  That one alone deserves a title reign of at least a year.

I wonder what can be said about Booker T being anchored by Stevie Ray for years and years, sometimes AFTER singles pushes (late 99 for instance).

 

And last but not least, having to keep the shitty "I got burned as a child and I have to wear a mask" gimmick.

 

Dude, if he didn't have that gimmick we wouldn't have this discussion.

 

I did think of another one, that goddamn Kane-arooni!

 

OK, you just said that you don't like his "I have to wear a mask as I was burned" gimmick, and you don't like the Kane-arooni which represents his new 'fun-loving' "I have a personality now" gimmick. So tell me, how do YOU want Kane to be portrayed? Don't contradict yourself now!

No contidictions here. You asked for exsamples, I gave them to you. If you don't like them I am sorry. What I said for Anglesault goes for you to. I wiil not be duped into an argument. I stated my opinion and you stated yours. And to answer your question, he needs a big bad motherfucker gimmick! Oh and the reason the Inferno matches sucked, was because Kane lost. IMO

[Guest bob_barron]

Oh my god-

 

You gave examples.

He disproved them.

 

How about trying to prove your defence instead of just whining.

 

If you like Kane so much and think he's paid it dues- well pick apart his argument.

 

I mean god- If you put Kane is the man, and someone says I disagree are you just gonna bitch and moan??

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

If the best rebuttal you can come up with is "I'm sorry if you don't like my examples" then indeed, this discussion is over.

 

I don't see how "Glen Jacobs, big bad motherfucker" would have flown, but hey, I guess I'm just too obtuse to see it.

 

And if the only reasons you find matches to suck is due to the result, then I don't think I should be continuing this argument. Who wins or loses is not the be-all and end-all to a match.

[Guest MrRant]

I will watch No Mercy because its free. That is about the only reason why.

[Guest Austin420]

Oh my god-

 

You gave examples.

He disproved them.

 

How about trying to prove your defence instead of just whining.

 

If you like Kane so much and think he's paid it dues- well pick apart his argument.

 

I mean god- If you put Kane is the man, and someone says I disagree are you just gonna bitch and moan??

He didn't disprove anything. He just listed my examples and gave his opinions on them. That isn't disproving anything. You cannot disprove someones opnion. Because it's there opnion. And I am not whining. I am just trying to have a civilized discussion about why I THINK Kane deserves the title.

[Guest Austin420]

If the best rebuttal you can come up with is "I'm sorry if you don't like my examples" then indeed, this discussion is over.

 

I don't see how "Glen Jacobs, big bad motherfucker" would have flown, but hey, I guess I'm just too obtuse to see it.

 

And if the only reasons you find matches to suck is due to the result, then I don't think I should be continuing this argument. Who wins or loses is not the be-all and end-all to a match.

First read my reply to bob and that should answer your first qoestion.

 

The match it self does hold alot of weight, but when you are wanting a person to win and they don't(and yes I understand it may have been written that way), it sucks. Once again, I respect your opinion, why can't you respect mine and let that be it.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Because you haven't convinced me of anything.

 

At any rate, this issue is about who gets to job to HHH in a placeholder PPV so that the HHH/RVD rematch can be held off for a month. If Booker T didn't job to Fat Samoans yesterday, I wouldn't be able to tell who was worse off, Kane or him.

[Guest Austin420]

Because you haven't convinced me of anything.

 

At any rate, this issue is about who gets to job to HHH in a placeholder PPV so that the HHH/RVD rematch can be held off for a month. If Booker T didn't job to Fat Samoans yesterday, I wouldn't be able to tell who was worse off, Kane or him.

Hey man I am not trying to convince you of anything. I was simply stating my opinion. That's all. It seemed as though you were the one trying to convince me.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

::::: ignores Kane/Booker T debate :::::

 

I'll be watching the show as well since I haven't had to pay for a PPV since WM 2000, so yay for me!

[Guest CanadianChick]

I am thinking about this match and you know what? As much as I don't think Kane is a very legit main eventer, I just want HHH to job once,just once. That way in future, HHH's matches wouldn't be so god damned predictible

[Guest Austin420]

I am pretty sure I will get some heat for this, but oh well. I really think that with the direction the WWE is going, Kane will win. He was up for a push before his injury.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

What direction? Care to explain?

 

From what I've been reading (as I don't watch RAW, like any other show that sucks, such as Big Brother), it seems the direction being taken is HHH = God; everyone else = unimportant minions.

 

If I missed any particular hints of a new direction that indicates a Kane title reign, feel free to let me know. As I said, I can't see it first hand. Forget that.

[Guest Austin420]

What direction? Care to explain?

 

From what I've been reading (as I don't watch RAW, like any other show that sucks, such as Big Brother), it seems the direction being taken is HHH = God; everyone else = unimportant minions.

 

If I missed any particular hints of a new direction that indicates a Kane title reign, feel free to let me know. As I said, I can't see it first hand. Forget that.

First of all fair weather fans like you are the reason that the WWE is in the situation it's in now. It's wrestling, it is always wrestling. Stop complaining and just enjoy it. So because you are a person who doesn't even watch the shows I will save my opinions for someone who is a "Real" fan.

[Guest Brian]

I'm a real fan, but RAW isn't worth watching. My loyalties are with SmackDown.

 

But I don't see a reason why'd they give Kane the title other than that they don't want to put it on RVD or Booker T, who are actually over and having watchable matches despite not being hosses.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

First of all fair weather fans like you are the reason that the WWE is in the situation it's in now. It's wrestling, it is always wrestling. Stop complaining and just enjoy it. So because you are a person who doesn't even watch the shows I will save my opinions for someone who is a "Real" fan.

So instead of answering my questions, you just attack me and the reasons for what I want to watch. I like Smackdown. I look forward to Smackdown and watch it every week. RAW is unwatchable. It's not my fault that WWE made it so. They put themselves in that situation, not "fair weather fans". I will not just "sit down and enjoy it" just because you tell me to. What kind of reasoning is that? I am not obligated to watch RAW every week, especially if it's in a direction that I do not agree with.

 

Try defending your opinions instead of making cheap cop-outs.

[Guest Austin420]

First of all fair weather fans like you are the reason that the WWE is in the situation it's in now.  It's wrestling, it is always wrestling.  Stop complaining and just enjoy it.  So because you are a person who doesn't even watch the shows I will save my opinions for someone who is a "Real" fan.

So instead of answering my questions, you just attack me and the reasons for what I want to watch. I like Smackdown. I look forward to Smackdown and watch it every week. RAW is unwatchable. It's not my fault that WWE made it so. They put themselves in that situation, not "fair weather fans". I will not just "sit down and enjoy it" just because you tell me to. What kind of reasoning is that? I am not obligated to watch RAW every week, especially if it's in a direction that I do not agree with.

 

Try defending your opinions instead of making cheap cop-outs.

Like I told you last night, I don't feel the need to defend my opinions, although I have already, because they are my opinions. They aren't right or wrong, they are my opinions. And I wasn't "attacking you".