Does Wisconsin execute minors?

[Guest Samurai_Goat]

Jump? With my knees, I can barely walk.

[Guest HecateRose]

That's right, my bro, who could have substituted for the guy in the "Pretty Fly for a White Guy" video

[Guest Samurai_Goat]

Hey, under no circumstances would I wear a hat sideways. Take it back!

[Guest papacita]

I really do have to wonder how the "black leaders" would have reacted if it had been a white man beaten to death in this case.

Completely justified as an act of cultural reclamation, understandable, even laudable "black rage" against a symbol of their colonial oppressors, a participant and co-conspirator in their victimisation as a people, guilty by association, guilty as sin even if he himself wasn't a racist.

It was all his fault... he should've known better than to be white.

 

Duh.

Well, I don't exactly see too many whites standing up to protest white on black crime, and do you really think there would've been the same reaction to the Nicole Simpson case had O.J. been a white man? Not to defend Jesse or anything (believe me, I can't stand him either), but it's a two-way street.

[Guest Samurai_Goat]

O.J. was a famous football star AND a movie star. Then he was accused of murder. THEN he did the whole slow speed chase thing. If you got all those traits, you're gonna attract some attention.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Well, I don't exactly see too many whites standing up to protest white on black crime... it's a two-way street

Bullshit. It isn't. It is nowhere near equal. You think the FBI has a proportional number of minorities in its ranks? It doesn't. And who do you think investigates the firebombings of black churches?

Ignoring the usual Aryan fuckheads, whom we try to keep arresting fairly frequently anyway, not one white person in America would dream of defending "white on black" crime. But black "leaders" defend, excuse, and justify "black on white" crime every damned chance they get.

After all, they're victims.

And as Samurai (and Chris Rock) said, Simpson's trial wasn't about race. It was about fame. If it had been Jerry Seinfeld charged with murder, to paraphrase Rock, whether the jury was white or black, Jerry would be a free man.

[Guest papacita]

O.J. was a famous football star AND a movie star. Then he was accused of murder. THEN he did the whole slow speed chase thing. If you got all those traits, you're gonna attract some attention.

I think you missed my point, but in terms of media attention, compare it to the white actor (apologies for not being able to remember his name) who was suspected of killing his wife about a year or so ago. Sure, he wasn't involved in a police chase, but the media attention surrounding it doesn't even come close to the attention surrounding the O.J. case in May of 94 (BEFORE the chase).

 

What I was referring to was the outrage by many whites when O.J. was found not guilty. Make all the arguments you want, you can't tell me that there would've been the same reaction if O.J. was white, or even if Nicole was black.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

What I was referring to was the outrage by many whites when O.J. was found not guilty... you can't tell me that there would've been the same reaction if O.J. was white, or even if Nicole was black.

Funny thing about white people... these days, we tend to care more about guilt or innocence than race.

 

So, more to the point, you tell me why the black community as a whole wasn't outraged that a clearly guilty man had been set free in a farcical travesty of justice.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

The White Bronco Parade was what put the trial on the map more than anything, IMO. IF that hadn't happened, people just would've moved on.

[Guest Samurai_Goat]

Well, all I can say is I felt more outrage at that whole Robert Downey Jr. getting off of drug charges over and over than O.J. being found not guilty. It seemed to me O.J. could be guilty, but I only paid minimal attention to the trial, so I don't really say much either way. But Bob kept getting caught with the drugs, and being let off. If I had done half the stuff he had, I'd be in a whole lot more trouble, and I'd deserve it.

[Guest papacita]

So, more to the point, you tell me why the black community as a whole wasn't outraged that a clearly guilty man had been set free in a farcical travesty of justice.

Well, if you're gonna come at me like that, tell me why the white community was outraged that a clearly innocent man was acquited.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

...

 

Please tell me you're not serious.

[Guest Samurai_Goat]

Well, wait, we don't know who papa's neccessarily talking about. Heh heh.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I had done half the stuff he had, I'd be in a whole lot more trouble, and I'd deserve it.

No shit. If the cops walked into my house, I'd get sent up the fuckin' river. Downey just had to go to rehab or whatever. I don't have crack in my house or anything, but the few roaches in my ashtray would STILL probably get me worse than what celebrities get.

 

As far as "deserving" it, well, thats a whole other argument.

[Guest papacita]

It isn't. It is nowhere near equal. You think the FBI has a proportional number of minorities in its ranks? It doesn't. And who do you think investigates the firebombings of black churches?

And your point is...? Of course they're going to investigate the crimes against blacks, because it's in their job description to investigate crimes against people of ALL races. There's a big difference between investigating a crime and actually going out to protest it.

 

Ignoring the usual Aryan fuckheads, whom we try to keep arresting fairly frequently anyway, not one white person in America would dream of defending "white on black" crime. But black "leaders" defend, excuse, and justify "black on white" crime every damned chance they get.

Compared to the Aryan fuckheads, there are about how many of these "black leaders"?

 

And as Samurai (and Chris Rock) said, Simpson's trial wasn't about race. It was about fame.

And if you believe that, I've got a bridge I wanna sell you.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Those Aryan fuckheads also don't have a national platform to defend crimes committed by their race. They're just local morons, primarily.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

There's a big difference between investigating a crime and actually going out to protest it.

Yeah. The first accomplishes something. The second doesn't.

[Guest Samurai_Goat]

Fine. Sell me this bridge. And while your at it, say why it's not about fame.

[Guest papacita]

Fine. Sell me this bridge. And while your at it, say why it's not about fame.

 

First off, let me make this clear: I'm not saying that fame had nothing to do with it. If black Malik from around the corner just up and murdered his white girlfriend, of course that case won't receive that type of media attention. But to sit here and tell me that the coverage of the trial was based solely on fame and with race not playing a factor is idealistic, if not just plain stupid. The case split the black and white communities, with blacks being able to identify with O.J. and whites identifying with Nicole, and the media exploited the resulting racial tensions for ratings.

[Guest Samurai_Goat]

No, you're not denying fame, but you're saying that race was the major factor here. (At least, that's what I'm getting here.)

[Guest papacita]

Which it was

[Guest Cancer Marney]

The case split the black and white communities, with blacks being able to identify with O.J.

...

 

You're saying that black people as a group identified with someone who committed two murders?

[Guest papacita]

The case split the black and white communities, with blacks being able to identify with O.J.

...

 

You're saying that black people as a group identified with someone who committed two murders?

^ case in point!

[Guest Cancer Marney]

In point of what?

[Guest Samurai_Goat]

By the "major factor", I mean the largest factor in the whole OJ frenzy thing. I reread that, and wanted to make sure we were understanding each other. So, do you think race is the largest factor, above all others?

[Guest papacita]

By the "major factor", I mean the largest factor in the whole OJ frenzy thing. I reread that, and wanted to make sure we were understanding each other. So, do you think race is the largest factor, above all others?

In terms of media coverage, no. It was a combination of race and fame. In terms of public opinion, no matter what anyone says, yes, race was definitely THE major factor.

[Guest Samurai_Goat]

I have to disagree. I'd say the major factor in people saying that he was guilty is that our views of the accused in any crime are looked through less and less as a due process model of justice (innocent 'til proven guilty) and more of the crime control (you're guilty, unless you can prove you're innocent). The people more than likely (I'm not some sort of sociopsychic) thought that he hadn't proved he was innocent. At least that's how I see it.

[Guest papacita]

That's your opinion, but you certainly can't deny the racial division that came with the reaction to the verdict. As I said, most blacks believe that O.J. is innocent, because frankly many have been in the position of being accused of or framed for crimes they didn't commit. You've got others who, based on resonable evidence can give you solid argument on why they believe that O.J. is innocent. But of course, you don't hear too many people saying that "O.J.'s innocent because he's black", just as you won't hear too many whites come out to say that he's guilty because he's not white. This is the point I was originally trying to make in reference to the insinuation that blacks (specifically guys like Jesse and Sharpton) will only complain about white on black crime but seemingly ignore black on white, because while the (quote of the night) "Aryan fuckheads" don't have the nation platform to promote their views (neither do *REAL* black leaders, for that matter), racial bias is a lot more prevalent in American society than a lot of people are willing to admit.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

By the "major factor", I mean the largest factor in the whole OJ frenzy thing. I reread that, and wanted to make sure we were understanding each other. So, do you think race is the largest factor, above all others?

In terms of media coverage, no. It was a combination of race and fame. In terms of public opinion, no matter what anyone says, yes, race was definitely THE major factor.

I think public opinion came down to those that COULD accept O.J as a murderer and those who COULD NOT. It took my family and I a long time to finally accept that O.J was a murderer. Those that couldn't or still can't are delusional.

[Guest Samurai_Goat]

I'll admit racial prevailance is higher than a lot of people like to admit, but I don't think it's quite that high. I don't really know too many black people who think OJ is innocent. Kinda like how not many white people think OJ is innocent. But, hey, this arguement is slightly pointless. I can't prove that race wasn't the major factor, you can't prove that it is. I think this is about as far as the arguement constructivly gets.