High School stories...

[Guest The Flying Dutchman]

I didn't like high school. I had a lot of fun when I was with my friends, but classes were ass. I like college much more. So much more time, esecially since I can schedule my classes how I want them for the most part.

[Guest Zack Malibu]

because according to a lot of current high schoolers from my school, we're all legendary.

Same thing with me. My sister is a senior at the high school I attended, and she still comes home with stories about how she heard of me doing this, and me doing that. Even now, in college, 4 years after I graduated high school, I meet people who have heard of me or "know" me for something. A girl I befriended in one class said she knew someone from my high school, and when she asked him about me, he was like "That kid ruled, we used to hang all the time, etc.". It's kind of nice knowing that you've left a legacy behind.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Yeah, my friends who are Seniors now as well as my cousin who's a Junior hear about me all the time from teachers and stuff. Apparently I ruled in every conceivable way. Not much of a surprise, but still noteworthy.

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest Leena]

I'm remember in my high school for many things too. Most of which I did nothing to cause them.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

If Marney is a christian, which Im assuming off his quote,

Marney IS a Christian but SHE also happens to be FEMALE and will be happy when that fact, which has been repeated SEVERAL times now, FINALLY seeps through your thick skull.

 

what happened to love they neighbor and all that get along stuff

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that you have an obligation to coddle criminals. And if you have ever used a death threat to get your way, as you've admitted you have, that is exactly what you are. A blackmailer and an extortionist. If I had my way you'd be arrested and thrown behind bars for a few days so you can see what deprivation really feels like.

 

Look at it this way, politics and government have been running the world since what the begining of time, and notice how ever society that runs by its government, has fallen. Its only a matter of time before all governments fail and ppl go back to the leave me alone, ill leave you alone theory. (Cavemn had no taxes or jobs other then being self sufficient, whats so wrong with that?)

This entire paragraph can stand by itself. I really have nothing to add.

i mena why cnat we all eb cavemn adn liive in hrmony wiht natur? wudd taht reely be so bda? u no in a cupple of yrs ppl will hav ovrthrone the govt and their wil be no mor tackses becuz well all be runinng round with flours in our hare so no1 wil cair abotu electrisity anymor aftre alll if u leav me alone ill leave u alone and thare wil be foodmobiles for every1 sort of like the milk man buut the food man

hapy hapy joy joy

 

Im a college graduate

If this is true, the American educational system has even more to answer for than I thought.

 

My weight does not make me anyless of a person or human being

Just a whole lot less attractive.

 

if someone doesnt agree with you, you bitch and tear them appart to show your superority, talk about being insecure

I bitch and tear them apart to prove their inferiority. If I'm wrong, prove it.

You cant be wrong. Hell Ive been wrong alot, I know it and have grown as a human being because of it

Good. The best way to learn is through experience. Again, if I'm wrong, prove it. I've admitted to being wrong in the past, but that was after being corrected by better people than you.

 

Slavery was a more extrme version [of being picked on] Ill admit

Well I'm glad to see that's settled. Took you long enough.

 

I mean Ive been told aids is a disease that only effects "faggots"

AIDS does exist, and it has an etiology and a histopathology which can be reproduced in sound scientific experiments. The same does not apply to, say, schizophrenia. The only people who subscribe to the belief you quoted are conscienceless homophobes.

And some ppl still think the Holocaust didnt happen, despite all the proof of its existance and horror

The Holocaust, again, has been corroborated by countless independent sources and incontestable photographic and other documentary evidence. The only people who subscribe to Holocaust denial are vicious anti-Semites.

The implicit comparison of trash like Ernst Zundel to a person like Dr Thomas Szasz, who has worked his entire life to provide ethical care for the outcasts of society and their freedom from those who torture, imprison, and kill them, is not only ridiculous but disgusting.

 

when the news company is run by a person who has friends in government, I'm not going to rush in and say this is truth

In that case you might want to reconsider this discussion. I work for the government.

[Guest The Flying Dutchman]

Funny how that works. Oh, and I broke a teacher's picture frame using it as a fly swatter once. It wasn't even a real fly, I was just giving an example of an alternate use for a picture frame. It was a class assignment...I didn't MEAN to. I still owe Mr. Anderson $1.75.

[Guest Leena]

At least they don't call you Barney. bps is going to pay for his ALina comment... oh yes, he will.

[Guest Intimacy Goblin]

Goddamn it's been a while since I've been here. Best high school memory (seeing that I'm a senior now, best memory so far) is spending 4 hours after school driving with a car full of crazies all around downtown Charleston, West Ashely, and James Island while wearing a disturbing viking-demon Halloween mask and harassing the natives, ogling the locals, and frightening the tourists.

[Guest EricMM]

Yeah uh Marney I would nominate (hesitently) the theory that cynicalprofit doesn't actually BELIEVE you're female. Because, really, it's been said SOO MANY TIMES that shit, even I got it...

 

But DID YOU KNOW that 50% of the world is female AND IN FACT they are allowed to use message boards AND don't have to call themselves sk8tergrrl to prove it.

 

I don't mean to be rude, but be more perceptive.

 

And please don't excuse bad grammer, spelling, and typing with the fact that you're bad at it. That doesn't make it ok, that doesn't even make YOU ok. Use the edit button. Type slower. Be clear, it helps.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

At least they don't call you Barney.

This problem has already been addressed. Agent of Oblivion's more interesting proposition has not yet been comprehensively proven one way or the other:

Phenolphthalein showed no presence of any alkaline substances. Blue litmus paper, when held near the monitor showing a Marney statement, came up a flourescent hue of magenta.

Which begs the eternal question: Is Marney really more caustic than concentrated HCL, or just pretty in pink?

The need for further experimentation is clearly indicated.

[Guest MrRant]

At least they don't call you Barney.

This problem has already been addressed.

Tee hee

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

This seems to be a thread centered around how much everyone loved or hated high school. Unless I'm totally wrong and it's about the validity of mental illness.

 

Anyway, let me assure you that if you were popular, ugly, suicidal, or stoned, you will remember very little of high school in 2-3 years, highs and lows included. What happened in high school seems very important when you are actually in high school, because you are a high school student, and almost everyone you know is a high school student.

 

Anyway, it would not suprise me if Marney quotes are highly acidic, but yes, more testing must be done.

 

And if anyone is unclear, Marney is in fact a woman. The word "lesbian" will occasionally be thrown around in a Marney Argument, and this is why.

 

Carry on.

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

Unless you were all like fat and ugly and spotty and dumb and gothy and metalheads and druggies and self-absorbed geeky internet angst-buckets and stuff and then I guess I do understand.

You just described approximately 90% of high schoolers.

She also just described about 90% of the internet.

[Guest EricMM]

I think the far more interesting test is the one where Marney figures out if she can make someone melt just by touching them.

 

I'm sure it would be a lot more fun than walking around covered in litimus paper lemme tell you.

[Guest EricMM]

She also just described about 90% of the internet.

fat - no

ugly - no

spotty - never

dumb - It's been said, but generally no

gothy - never

metalheads - no

druggies - no

self-absorbed - not at all, probably should be moreso

geeky - no

internet - well um I'm on it, but I don't abuse it, see druggie

angst-buckets - WHINE COMPLAIN BITCH I mean no

stuff - I am stuff...

 

That means I'm > 90% of the internet! I get an A!

 

*EDIT* In retrospect, using a > in place of saying I'm greater than 90% of the internet probably earns me a yes under geeky *EDIT*

[Guest Leena]

Sorry, Marney. I really do need to check out CE more often.

 

She also just described about 90% of the internet.

 

This is a fun game, let me try.

 

Fat- No

 

Ugly- At least I don't think I am.

 

Spotty- No

 

Dumb- No, I take into consideration that I make more than at least 90% my age, and hardly do anything.

 

Gothy- No. I love wearing black, but don't do goth shit.

 

Metalhead- No

 

Druggie- No, but I tried weed once.

 

Self-absorbed- Yea, I'd say so.

 

Geeky- Yea, I like supposed geeky things.

 

Internet- I'm on a lot, but I don't abuse it.

 

Angst buckets- YES

 

Stuff- I say that a lot.

 

I'm not sure where that rates me, but Marney doesn't insult me, so I must be fairly high. :/

[Guest EricMM]

but Marney doesn't insult me, so I must be fairly high. :/

 

*ahem*

 

(replaces high with conservative)

 

*runs and hides*

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Fat: No.

 

Ugly: Too many differing opinions to say.

 

Spotty: Not any more.

 

Dumb: I think so, too many differing opinions though.

 

Gothy: Called it for black clothes, but far from it.

 

Metalhead: Hell no.

 

Druggie: Nope!

 

Self-Absorbed: Nah.

 

Geeky: Too many other factors make me not geeky, so no.

 

Internet: I'm hooked because I have nothing else to do.

 

Angst Buckets: Pah. It never has time to collect.

 

Stuff: I'm all boutit-boutit.

 

Marney DOES insult me, but it's just when I speak the word of the devil.

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest papacita]

Just so I don't feel left out...

 

Fat- I need to gain 100 lbs to qualify as "skinny"

 

Ugly- Nope

 

Spotty- Nope

 

Dumb- Nope

 

Gothy- Hell no

 

Metalhead- Hell no

 

Druggie- Clean as a...button...shut up

 

Self-absorbed- Of course I am.

 

Geeky- Most people don't think I am, but to a certain extent, yeah.

 

Internet- I don't abuse the internet...I kicked the computer a couple times and broke my old mouse, but that's as far as it went. Honest...

 

Angst buckets- You can make a case for the angst, but the "bucket" line is just totally untrue.

 

Stuff- What?

[Guest Kinetic]

Oh, hey, me too!

 

Fat: Absolutely not. Far from it.

 

Ugly: Ha!

 

Spotty: I was and I relapse at random intervals, but generally not.

 

Dumb: No. Mildly intelligent is more like it.

 

Gothy: No.

 

Metalhead: I'm Metal Ed!

 

Druggie: No.

 

Self-absorbed: Most definitely.

 

Geeky: I'm tall and thin, but I have perfect vision and have never liked video games or comic books. So, no.

 

Internet: I do enjoy me some internet.

 

Angst bucket: Not really. More like an angst thimble.

 

Stuff: Damn skippy, hippie.

[Guest godthedog]

oooh, way to argue those points

I suppose I should've said "grow the fuck up" instead. Maybe that would've had you quivering.

Drop the phony indignation already. You set the tone. Don't whine if I flip you off after you start a screaming match.

 

You're missing the point entirely. Making fun of people is intrinsically cruel. There is no justification for it. I'm not the one rationalising cruelty; you are.

how do you know he's dumb and a slob? because he disagrees with you and he's not articulate about it?

Yes.

please tell me how i deserved to be made fun of for this.

No one deserves to be made fun of. Still, you were ugly, so it happened. Boo hoo.

so what if somebody's insecure... does it just make it that much more fun when you pick on someone?

Yep.

you... [call] almost everyone who happens to disagree with you "ignorant"

Almost everyone who "happens to disagree" with me is.

clinical depression is a mental illness

No. It isn't. Putting "clinical" in front of it and italicising your ignorant claims makes them no more plausible.

lots of kids DO pick on smart people

And the smart people ignore them. Or they get over it. One or the other.

 

it isn't your... place to judge whether he's clinically depressed

clinical depression can be and is caused by things like this

how do clinically depressed people deserve to get bashed by you

Clinically, clinically, clinically. You'd have a better chance of impressing someone by repeating your false claims over and over again if she hadn't taken four years of psychology at a graduate level, two of microbiology, and one of criminal psychology at Quantico. There is no such thing as "clinical depression." It is not an illness. It is a mood. Diseases have etiologies and histopathologies. "Mental diseases" do not. They are a myth, pure and simple, invented by those who want to rationalise away the fact of destructive and disturbing behaviour, condemn rather than care, brutalise rather than treat, and imprison rather than help.

Get over it.

looks like the conversation got carried away without me, but i'll try to rebut regardless:

 

I suppose I should've said "grow the fuck up" instead. Maybe that would've had you quivering.

Drop the phony indignation already. You set the tone. Don't whine if I flip you off after you start a screaming match.

when did i whine about it? i said "grow the fuck up," you shot back with a sarcastic comment, i shot back with an equally sarcastic comment. i fail to see where the whining is.

 

You're missing the point entirely. Making fun of people is intrinsically cruel.

i don't see how you expect me to believe that even you think this is true when on the previous page you said

oh godd everywun hattes me im jus tgonna end itall now ok ppl by hoap ure happy now OW PAPERCUT PAPERCUT

 

No one deserves to be made fun of. Still, you were ugly, so it happened. Boo hoo

that's just making assumptions and putting words in my mouth (so to speak). nowhere did i ask for any sympathy, nor did i expect you to feel sorry for me. i asked you simply & clearly how it warranted being picked on.

 

Clinically, clinically, clinically. You'd have a better chance of impressing someone by repeating your false claims over and over again if she hadn't taken four years of psychology at a graduate level, two of microbiology, and one of criminal psychology at Quantico. There is no such thing as "clinical depression." It is not an illness. It is a mood. Diseases have etiologies and histopathologies. "Mental diseases" do not. They are a myth, pure and simple, invented by those who want to rationalise away the fact of destructive and disturbing behaviour, condemn rather than care, brutalise rather than treat, and imprison rather than help.

wow, that's quite the claim. i read your later post citing the books, but i don't buy it. i could argue that superstring theory is true using the exact same criteria you did (having taken college classes in physics & astronomy, and citing books written by some experts in the field), but the physics community knows that 'superstrings' are just a crackpot hypothesis that never got any independent evidence to support it. i'd honestly (not being at all sarcastic, i really would) like to know the grounds on which the claim is based.

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

godthedog, the argument's over. We're playing the fun game now!

 

Fat: no

 

Ugly: yes

 

Spotty: yes

 

Dumb: no

 

Gothy: no

 

Metalhead:

 

Drugs: no

 

Self-absorbed: yes

 

Geeky: no

 

Internet: yes

 

Angst Bucket: yes

 

I am 54% average. woohoo!

 

EDIT: I am also bad at math

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Ain't over 'til it's over, but carry on with the game.

 

i don't see how you expect me to believe that even you think this [making fun of people is intrinsically cruel] is true

Because I don't think that sort of cruelty is intrinsically or significantly evil. We laugh at absurdity; it's human nature. We make fun of it. And I find ugly, dumb, fat, whiny, and weak people absurd. There is no disconnect. Some people just beg for cruelty, and I don't have the inclination to offer them treacly sympathy instead.

 

i asked you simply & clearly how it [being spotty] warranted being picked on.

First of all, acne is ugly. "Warranted" is a bad choice of words because cruelty is never justified. Making fun of people is ALWAYS unjustified. People do unjustified things. They always have and they always shall. Again, boo hoo.

 

that's quite the claim.  i read your later post citing the books, but i don't buy it

Well, this might be more relevant if you'd actually read the BOOKS. Since you have no background in this field, whether you "buy it" or not is irrelevant.

i could argue that superstring theory is true using the exact same criteria you did (having taken college classes in physics & astronomy, and citing books written by some experts in the field)

As I've only taken undergraduate classes in physics and astronomy, I'm not familiar with the superstring theory on a technical level. I stopped at basic Einstein rather than advanced Kaluza-Klein theory, so you would be free to make such a claim and I would not contest it because I simply don't know. If I were interested I would research it, educate myself, and then get back to you a few years down the road. I would not make false claims about it and then demand that you prove your position to me, because I refuse to argue from a position of ignorance. If you're as interested in psychology as you claim, it behooves you to answer your question yourself - by reading the original sources (Szasz is a good start, as is a critical reading of the DSM-IV: try to figure out why reaching the age of 18 or 21 is a criterion for diagnosis, rather than puberty), by educating yourself, and by forming your own opinions. If you're too lazy to rely on anything other than premasticated information your opinions will remain as worthless as they are now.

 

Anyway, from an older thread:

Rape was "an official psychological problem" in the 1980s. It was called "paraphilic rapism" and the rapist was considered a "victim." The APA only went back on that after pressure from women's groups. When was the last time a reputable and honest medical profession changed its mind about whether a disease was really a disease because of political lobbying? Do oncologists decide that lung cancer is or isn't really cancer depending on the cigarette companies' mood? Psychologists establish diseases by fiat. They designate behaviour they don't like or can't explain as disease, and then make up causes and symptoms. The DSM-IV is a sociopolitical and religious tract. It is a tool of control.

...since we still don't understand how the brain works, I really think we shouldn't be messing around with it - especially not when the "mental patient" is forced to take the drugs... that's aggravated assault and battery, plain and simple, and saying that the illness is rejecting the treatment is a cheap cop-out.

...it's frightening too, because it dehumanises the "patient" completely, treating him (or, more frequently, her) like an animal rather than a sentient person with inalienable rights.

There are always reasons. Usually they have to do with the fact that certain behaviours disturb and threaten us. Personally, I feel a lot better about imprisonment when it's mandated by a jury of the accused's peers, validated by a judge, and the accused has the right to defend himself in open court. I don't think doctors have the right to lock people up and force "treatment" on them. See R Whitaker's Mad in America: Bad Science, Bad Medicine, and the Enduring Mistreatment of the Mentally Ill...

Treat [the mentally ill] as responsible adults and give them a fair trial, then punish them if they're found guilty. Don't let them skip the laws that apply to everyone else just because they're retarded, depressed, or hear Satan in their heads. That's called a double standard, and it's unconstitutional...

Serial killers are sociopaths, but that's a descriptive term, not a diagnosis. Diagnoses are based on incontrovertible physical evidence and diseases or traumas with clear etiologies and histopathologies. No "mental illness" has either. No reputable neurologist anywhere in the world pays any attention to the pronouncements of the APA - which recently decided to pathologise relationships between people as "sickness" in their next edition of the DSM. Would you like to explain now how a relationship can be "sick" in anything but a metaphorical sense? And why the APA should have the right to dictate to others that their relationships are "sick" and require "treatment?"

It's all such a sad farce. In the Soviet Union, people were regularly diagnosed with a type of schizophrenia known as "seeking reform." Yes, that was really the name of the disorder. They made it up out of thin air, as the APA's still doing today...

...the DSM-IV... lists ages of legal responsibility as symptoms of disease. No real medical science does that. It's biology that matters in real medicine, puberty and menopause, that kind of thing, not whether you're 18 or 21.

Behaviour is not disease.

(emphases added)

The relevant sections are on pages 2-5. Warning: the thread has been closed, and furthermore, it was designated "ghey" by EL BRUJ0. Follow the link at your own risk.

[Guest godthedog]

my point was that your method of arguing in that post didn't necessarily disprove the whole 'mental illness' phenomenon, it just offered an alternate explanation. all it did was set up a dilemma without giving anyone a reason for believing one explanation over the other.

 

interesting stuff in the quotes though. if i had more time i'd read up further on it.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

That's fair enough, and I'm sorry about that. I've just had the same tired old argument so many times that I don't go into it unless I absolutely have to.

If you have time to read even one book, read the one by Dr Szasz I mentioned earlier. He's a brilliant psychiatrist and a very nice man as well as an entertaining writer. The Myth of Mental Illness is a classic in the field, and actually fairly short (barely 300 pages) and very readable. I finished it in two or three evenings.

[Guest Zero_Cool]

Fat: Yes. Sad, but true.

 

Ugly: Nope

 

Spotty: Nope

 

Dumb: I sometimes I ask myself that. However, I don't really think so.

 

Gothy: No

 

Metalhead: Nah..

 

Drugs: No

 

Self Absorbed: I try as much as possible not to be...but I sometimes come off as it.

 

Geeky: Maybe a little.

 

Internet: I don't get caught up with it.

 

Angst Bucket: Probably not as much as most people.

[Guest J*ingus]

Fat: well... yeah, a bit

Ugly: I honestly can't tell.

Spotty: depends on your definition of "spotty"

Dumb: hell no

Gothy: no

Metalhead: no

Drugs: every rare once in a while

Self-absorbed: to an extent

Geeky: in several different fields, to an astonishing level

Internet: I'm here, aren't I?

Angst Bucket: not really, I tend to be the shoulder that gets cried on.

 

And my percentage is... uh... I don't know.

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

what a bunch of pansies! these are yes and no questions, dammit!

 

Ugly: uh, well, I dunno, I guess I could be, but there's this one girl...

[Guest godthedog]

what the hell, i'm bored...

 

Fat: quite the opposite, i'm closer to ewan mcgregor's build than orson welles's

Ugly: inbetween

Spotty: a little, not as bad as i used to be.

to put it in wrestling terms, since we're using the adjective 'spotty': i used to be sabu in ecw. now i'm closer to rey mysterio jr (but the rey mysterio jr. of 2002 wwf, not the rey mysterio of halloween havoc 97).

Dumb: quite the opposite

Gothy: ugh...no

Metalhead: no

Drugs: never

Self-absorbed: everybody in this country is self-absorbed, i think it would be unfair to single me out

Geeky: see answer for "spotty" and read between the lines

Internet: never

Angst Bucket: used to be, what with the nine inch nails and the kurt cobain adulation and what not, but i've mostly grown out of it. but a little angst and angry energy at the system is good.

[Guest EricMM]

oh my god I was kidding, oh my god.

 

I ruined a good thread...

 

People...

 

Oh forget it.