Lesnar is WWE's only hope

[Guest Akeem]

The WWE will continue to lose money until they GET RID of HHH and Undertaker. They are holding people down, so no guys can EVER develop into future main eventers. Brock Lesnar is the only hope, because he is the only one who can do whatever he wants without getting severely punished because he is #1 in WWE's eyes for top guys of the future. Therefore Lesnar HAS to take out the Undertaker at No Mercy. Take out his knees. Send him into retirement. This is for the good of the business and for the good of Brock Lesnar as well, so he is chicken if he doesn't do it.

[Guest snowfan]

Nah why give Broak the stigma?

 

Let D'lo work his magic...

[Guest DJ Jeff]

Nah....

 

Someone like Benoit or Angle should send the Undertaker into retirement.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Therefore Lesnar HAS to take out the Undertaker at No Mercy. Take out his knees. Send him into retirement. This is for the good of the business and for the good of Brock Lesnar as well, so he is chicken if he doesn't do it.

I have said this for some time now. I think HHH has to go, like, now, but Taker has admittedly been loyal that I can't imagine seeing him go without a retirement match.

 

Brock is a big guy who is fed smaller guys. Same has always been said of Taker. It's a perfect succession.

 

They need to offer him a retirement and job him to Brock and offer to sell his shit through the rest of the year (since that's how they make a living), and if he refuses, than he's gone and left to be remembered to the occasional Tribute videos ala Austin.

[Guest Trivia247]

IM SORRY but Taker isn't the cause of the downfall of the WWE. and Him Leaving or retiring Won't change anything. Taker gone you aren't gonna MAGICALLY see your favorite wrestlers getting Pushed.

 

Because WHAT you just don't seem to fathom is that Undertaker DOES not do the booking.. Someone above a Wrestling Character... Someone above someone you just don't like and are HATING like he personally Mugged your family.

 

People in the WWE management does not see the value in people, they aren't gonna change how they feel if someone is retired.

 

They would dig back up Bob Backlund before they give a Title shot to Benoit or Guerrero or Angle.. Thats just the way it is.

 

Blaming Undertaker is scapegoating.

 

And keep in mind, Undertaker doesn't Hog Main Events. When he doesnt hold a title or isn't a Title contender, Undertaker matches are lesser in value. Sometime they are opening matches...

 

But I guess that doesn't matter.

 

Because Since its the Undertaker...The Smarks BILL CLINTON.. He is responsible to All the ILLS of WWE. Undertaker Made Vince Create XFL... Undertaker was responsible for the Invasion Angle in its Entirity Suck. Its HIS fault the Roster splits. Its his fault Austin left...

 

ITS NOT his fault..

 

All he is, and I'll Fucking admit it to make my case..

 

All he is , is a Prideful Wrestler in Decline, he doesnt want to go out Bumping to some Punk Kid who just given a Red carpet Goldberg Push that makes everyone around Him bump like he is a Freight train. and Undertaker doesn't take it. and Tells the bookers he wouldn't and they prolong the feud in a way that Piss off all the Taker haters because He isn't catering to Baby hewey.

 

YOU Know there are WORSE things going on in WWE than UNDERTAKER Not FUCKING Bumping for BROCK Lesnar.

 

IC title is getting dissolved and tonight Bischoff basically took a PISS on the IC belt.

 

HHH has Raw basically catering too him. The entire show and roster is his Playground.

Kane will drop the title and go feud with Scotty Vick BECAUSE Finally HHH PRONOUNCED the name right... Not FICK VICK. Even though he fucked that up last week.

 

But.. Hell The Undertaker not bumping is WORSE than a Soap oprea Storyline of someone Killing a Girl in a Car Accident and then Performing NECROPHILLA!!

 

Now GET a DAMN CLUE!

 

Im not trying to be Pissy about this..But Right NOW as I speak Police are up the road 5 miles from MY HOME because that Fucking Sniper shot a Woman there...

 

And Im PISSED as ALL HELL!!!

 

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

[Guest Nevermortal]

If the WWE says the Taker has to bump for Brock, then he better fucking bump for Brock. I don't care if he's the Taker, Trish Stratus, or Justin Credible.

 

TWOOOOOOOOO!

[Guest snowfan]

If the WWE says the Taker has to bump for Brock, then he better fucking bump for Brock. I don't care if he's the Taker, Trish Stratus, or Justin Credible.

 

TWOOOOOOOOO!

New School sucks....

[Guest Brian]

IM SORRY but Taker isn't the cause of the downfall of the WWE. and Him Leaving or retiring Won't change anything. Taker gone you aren't gonna MAGICALLY see your favorite wrestlers getting Pushed.

 

Because WHAT you just don't seem to fathom is that Undertaker DOES not do the booking.. Someone above a Wrestling Character... Someone above someone you just don't like and are HATING like he personally Mugged your family.

 

People in the WWE management does not see the value in people, they aren't gonna change how they feel if someone is retired.

 

They would dig back up Bob Backlund before they give a Title shot to Benoit or Guerrero or Angle.. Thats just the way it is.

 

Blaming Undertaker is scapegoating.

 

And keep in mind, Undertaker doesn't Hog Main Events. When he doesnt hold a title or isn't a Title contender, Undertaker matches are lesser in value. Sometime they are opening matches...

 

But I guess that doesn't matter.

 

Because Since its the Undertaker...The Smarks BILL CLINTON.. He is responsible to All the ILLS of WWE. Undertaker Made Vince Create XFL... Undertaker was responsible for the Invasion Angle in its Entirity Suck. Its HIS fault the Roster splits. Its his fault Austin left...

 

ITS NOT his fault..

 

All he is, and I'll Fucking admit it to make my case..

 

All he is , is a Prideful Wrestler in Decline, he doesnt want to go out Bumping to some Punk Kid who just given a Red carpet Goldberg Push that makes everyone around Him bump like he is a Freight train. and Undertaker doesn't take it. and Tells the bookers he wouldn't and they prolong the feud in a way that Piss off all the Taker haters because He isn't catering to Baby hewey.

 

YOU Know there are WORSE things going on in WWE than UNDERTAKER Not FUCKING Bumping for BROCK Lesnar.

 

IC title is getting dissolved and tonight Bischoff basically took a PISS on the IC belt.

 

HHH has Raw basically catering too him. The entire show and roster is his Playground.

Kane will drop the title and go feud with Scotty Vick BECAUSE Finally HHH PRONOUNCED the name right... Not FICK VICK. Even though he fucked that up last week.

 

But.. Hell The Undertaker not bumping is WORSE than a Soap oprea Storyline of someone Killing a Girl in a Car Accident and then Performing NECROPHILLA!!

 

Now GET a DAMN CLUE!

 

Im not trying to be Pissy about this..But Right NOW as I speak Police are up the road 5 miles from MY HOME because that Fucking Sniper shot a Woman there...

 

And Im PISSED as ALL HELL!!!

 

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

I'll probably argue later, but I'm not really feeling it.

[Guest Trivia247]

In a way...thats my Point...

 

Its not like the WWE said OMG NO he's not bumping for him.

 

The WWE agreed...

 

hell Brock Agreed

 

this is how they are doing it. and they went and did the match as they agreed and rehersed it. But I suppose that is too much to get.

 

Undertaker isn't gonna defy Vince..If Vince tells him to do it he'll do it..

 

But I guess people mistaken Undertaker for HHH.

 

Unless Steph is two timing HHH.

[Guest snowfan]

IM SORRY but Taker isn't the cause of the downfall of the WWE. and Him Leaving or retiring Won't change anything. Taker gone you aren't gonna MAGICALLY see your favorite wrestlers getting Pushed.

 

Because WHAT you just don't seem to fathom is that Undertaker DOES not do the booking.. Someone above a Wrestling Character... Someone above someone you just don't like and are HATING like he personally Mugged your family.

 

People in the WWE management does not see the value in people, they aren't gonna change how they feel if someone is retired.

 

They would dig back up Bob Backlund before they give a Title shot to Benoit or Guerrero or Angle.. Thats just the way it is.  

 

Blaming Undertaker is scapegoating.

 

And keep in mind, Undertaker doesn't Hog Main Events. When he doesnt hold a title or isn't a Title contender, Undertaker matches are lesser in value. Sometime they are opening matches...

 

But I guess that doesn't matter.

 

Because Since its the Undertaker...The Smarks BILL CLINTON.. He is responsible to All the ILLS of WWE. Undertaker Made Vince Create XFL... Undertaker was responsible for the Invasion Angle in its Entirity Suck. Its HIS fault the Roster splits. Its his fault Austin left...

 

ITS NOT his fault..

 

All he is, and I'll Fucking admit it to make my case..

 

All he is , is a Prideful Wrestler in Decline, he doesnt want to go out Bumping to some Punk Kid who just given a Red carpet Goldberg Push that makes everyone around Him bump like he is a Freight train. and Undertaker doesn't take it. and Tells the bookers he wouldn't and they prolong the feud in a way that Piss off all the Taker haters because He isn't catering to Baby hewey.

 

YOU Know there are WORSE things going on in WWE than UNDERTAKER Not FUCKING Bumping for BROCK Lesnar.

 

IC title is getting dissolved and tonight Bischoff basically took a PISS on the IC belt.

 

HHH has Raw basically catering too him. The entire show and roster is his Playground.  

Kane will drop the title and go feud with Scotty Vick  BECAUSE Finally HHH PRONOUNCED the name right... Not FICK VICK. Even though he fucked that up last week.

 

But.. Hell The Undertaker not bumping is WORSE than a Soap oprea Storyline of someone Killing a Girl in a Car Accident and then Performing NECROPHILLA!!

 

Now GET a DAMN CLUE!

 

Im not trying to be Pissy about this..But Right NOW as I speak Police are up the road 5 miles from MY HOME because that Fucking Sniper shot a Woman there...

 

And Im PISSED as ALL HELL!!!

 

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

I'll probably argue later, but I'm not really feeling it.

we can change the finish for you champ....

[Guest Brian]

And why wouldn't Brock agree?

[EL DANDY~! 0]

OK. I'll argue.

 

Did you remember the ending at Unforgiven?> It twasn't the bookers that did that ending...nay nay. It was the all powerful UNDERTAKER that did it. Now...for you to say that is absolutely true. BUT, Undertaker has used his clout in the past. It's not like he's scotch free. We're just saying that he's being pushed when he shouldn't...that's all. Let us all hope that this is it for him after Sunday, and that he seriously considers retirement after Sunday. I mean, he has done what he could in the business. Going out in a HIAC (like Foley SHOULD have) would be good for him.

 

Of course, that's just MY opinion...I could be wrong.

 

TWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Guest Brian]

And it wasn't the bookers who decided not to sell or sandbag or control 90% of the offense.

[Guest snowfan]

Brian: come on now it is perfectly acceptable that UT sells less than when he was dead....

 

why he doesn't even lay down now he wails a little at random times....

 

He is a loyal lockerroom leader and that shields him from pain...

[Guest Nevermortal]

And another thing [Fade out, pan, fade back in]...

 

IC title is getting dissolved and tonight Bischoff basically took a PISS on the IC belt.

 

You do know wrestling is fake...right? Bischoff is just playing a character. Who knows what his feelings about the IC belt are? Either way, he went out there and did what the bookers told him to do.

[Guest Akeem]

>Taker isn't the cause of the downfall of the WWE. and Him Leaving or retiring Won't change anything. Taker gone you aren't gonna MAGICALLY see your favorite wrestlers getting Pushed.

 

The Undertaker is one of the main reasons of the downfall of WWE. Without the Undertaker, there is only one piece of crap hogging the main events, HHH. With the Undertaker gone, it opens up a top spot for a future superstar.

 

>They would dig back up Bob Backlund before they give a Title shot to Benoit or Guerrero or Angle.. Thats just the way it is.

 

They gave Angle titles shots before, and with UT gone, he will get even more than before. Benoit doesn't have the mic skills or charisma to deserve title shots and Guerrero doesn't have a good enough character to deserve title shots.

 

>Because Since its the Undertaker...The Smarks BILL CLINTON.. He is responsible to All the ILLS of WWE. Undertaker Made Vince Create XFL... Undertaker was responsible for the Invasion Angle in its Entirity Suck. Its HIS fault the Roster splits. Its his fault Austin left...

 

The smarks don't blame him for everything, but they blame him for a lot, which he completely deserves the blame.

 

>All he is , is a Prideful Wrestler in Decline, he doesnt want to go out Bumping to some Punk Kid who just given a Red carpet Goldberg Push that makes everyone around Him bump like he is a Freight train.

 

Lesnar DESERVES the push. He has the look and the wrestling skills (he is green, but one day he will be very good) to be pushed as a monster.

[Guest Nater]

Undertaker is garbage. His moveset is A PUNCH. He doesnt bring interesting matches, he doesnt sell for anybody, he is lame without his real dead-man gimmick. Its the time in UT's career where he needs to be putting over people, but NOOO.. hes a fucktard and wants to be Maineventing with the strap for his own ego.

 

HHH is arguable but overall he sucks in just about the same ways. He failed to realize that without a proper face or heel that he can work off of (Austin) his rivalry or alliance runs are crap.. but no, he had to go bury everybody and now he is left with Kane as a face and this awful Katie Vick crap.

 

Jericho is gold even though he loses.. i mark out like ink on paper to just about everything he does.

 

Angle is being horribly misused as well as Benoit, yet again being thrown into tag-team competition.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

While 'taker may not be singlehandedly responsible for the downfall of the WWE, he's got to take responsible for half. Smackdown.

 

If Raw is HHH (which it is), then SD is 'taker. They're the focus of their respective shows. My gripe is that UT has never been a main event caliber talent, and no ammount of senority should "elevate" him to be one. He's holding a lot of guys back, and is responsible for some of the most hideous matches this year. (PPV Main Events, at that). While the same could be said about Hogan, he sold a whole load of merchandise, and jobbed when they told him to. UT appears to be damn near invincible.

 

It's apparent to me that the guys putting on the matches on that end of the show (Eddy/Angle/Benoit/Rey/Edge) should be headlining. Not Taker. Taker hasn't done a thing in years except brag about how "tough" he is, and about how he's had a "decade of destruction". While I may hate HHH..at least he put on a string of great matches for a sustained ammount of time. (2000, 2001) Taker's never done that. Taker either needs to retire, or start laying down for guys. That's the only way things will ever get better.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Lesnar DESERVES the push.  He has the look and the wrestling skills (he is green, but one day he will be very good) to be pushed as a monster.

No he doesn't. The "look" is overrated and results in things like Randy Orton and John Cena annoying the fanbase.

 

Oh, and green wrestlers shouldn't be World Champions. I'm getting tired of hearing about Brock's Shooting Star Press and how he'll improve when he's been doing the same things since his debut. At least when people talk about great matches with Angle, Benoit, and Guerrero you have several recent examples that can be referenced at the drop of a hat.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Wow.

 

It's wierd, but I agree with Mulatto for once.

 

Also..

 

There's just too much that can never happen after a guy gets the title too quickly after his debut (Big Show, anyone?). Now, Brock is supposed to be on the level of Rock, Austin, and even HHH..and he's nowhere close.

 

I still think guys like Angle/Eddy/Benoit would be credible champions with minimal effort.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Well, I came to realize the other day that Lesnar is basically the same wrestler he was at his debut, with the slow plodding offense and the sporatic selling. The bearhug is almost inexcusable (this IS 2002!) and often he seems confused as to what to do next.

 

I don't actively dislike the guy and won't go on AS-type rants on it, but I think this had to be said.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

IM SORRY but Taker isn't the cause of the downfall of the WWE. and Him Leaving or retiring Won't change anything. Taker gone you aren't gonna MAGICALLY see your favorite wrestlers getting Pushed.

I agree. But it would be huge for Lesnar and it would give Undertaker a respectable bow-out. The guy has been extremely protective of his character and identity, and the time is coming for him to put that to someone else's benefit and leave in a memorable way.

 

People in the WWE management does not see the value in people, they aren't gonna change how they feel if someone is retired.

 

They would dig back up Bob Backlund before they give a Title shot to Benoit or Guerrero or Angle.. Thats just the way it is.

 

I'm not angry over that at all. But I do think that if Taker remains, he's going to have that WCW "old timer that refuses to leave" stench. Shockingly, I've been a casual fan of his until lately (see below.)

 

And keep in mind, Undertaker doesn't Hog Main Events. When he doesnt hold a title or isn't a Title contender, Undertaker matches are lesser in value

 

I'll agree. He had the belt for two months because the company DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE. At least, that's how I saw it.

 

Because Since its the Undertaker...The Smarks BILL CLINTON.. He is responsible to All the ILLS of WWE. Undertaker Made Vince Create XFL... Undertaker was responsible for the Invasion Angle in its Entirity Suck. Its HIS fault the Roster splits. Its his fault Austin left...

 

Uh.. Undertaker is blamed for no more than 30% of the stuff here, I'd imagine. The largest thing he's responsible for (and it's a stretch) is that he paved the way for Vince giving chance upon chance for big men with unimpressive wrestling skill.

 

All he is , is a Prideful Wrestler in Decline, he doesnt want to go out Bumping to some Punk Kid who just given a Red carpet Goldberg Push that makes everyone around Him bump like he is a Freight train.

 

Before it was a Goldberg Push, it was the Undertaker Push. Jobbers, smaller men, and guys in decline bumped around for UT back in the day. The UT Push is the push that always wins at WrestleManias. It's the push that feuds with guys like Jake Roberts (who's problems were starting to make him near-unemployable at 92), no sells all their moves (including the finisher), and then destroys them.

 

Although he had a few failed gimmick experiences that Brock doesn't (Mean Mark Calloway, the fill-in Skyscraper) he knows what it's like to be on the receiving end of a megapush. That's why I always found it appropriate that he give back.

 

IC title is getting dissolved and tonight Bischoff basically took a PISS on the IC belt.

 

Sure, and Stephanie was gone for good, too. Besides, one title, any title is going to become the "secondary" title SOMEHOW. The fans are trained that way.

 

I was actually a casual fan of the Taker, and even somewhat defended him during his recent title run, and I put over his work with the Hardys. However, the Unforgiven thing was just nasty to me.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Brock isn't really THAT bad, but really, cut some dead weight out of the company...

 

Undertaker

HHH

Rikishi

Ric Flair (hate to say it but he's really done his time, now get the fuck out)

 

What do we have for No Mercy?

Brock-Taker HIAC (No Taker)

HHH-Kane (No HHH..Kane I can live with, I've seen him do passable jobs before, and is really the only big man who has enough agility to be entertaining)

Jericho/Christian-Booker T/Goldust (Vitamin X marks out)

 

aaaand whatever match Rikishi is in will suck..duh....but regardless...

 

I really don't see why Trivia is so hellbent on being a Taker mark all of a sudden, I remember him seeing him around here before and all of a sudden he's the biggest Taker mark in the world.. what happened?

 

 

EDIT: Went a bit overboard with non-topic rant. Let's continue...

[Guest Midnight Express83]

Taker does need to retire....here is my list of WWE talent that needs to go.

 

HHH

Taker

Flair

Rikishi

Albert

Regal(unless kept as a trainer)

D-Von

Ron Simmons

Bradshaw

Hardcore

Val Venis

Richards

Raven

Buh Buh

Jeff Hardy

Crash

Stephanie McMahon

[Guest Vitamin X]

I think we've all made those lists at one point or another....

 

...here's mine!

 

HHH

Taker

Rikishi

Billy Gunn

Big Show

Mark Henry

Jeff Hardy (unless they find something itneresting for him to do)

All Dudleys (Bubba D-Von and Spike)

Jackia Gayda and Linda Miles (I know they're not on TV but really they are truly quite terrible and to my knowledge probably still under contract, which bugs me)

Albert

Bradshaw

Ron Simmons

Test (sorry bud you've had your chance and fucked it up many a time)

and, unfortunately William Regal...he's boring in the ring (outside of a couple good matcheS) and has really lost it.

 

Oh, and the #1 (well maybe more #3 after HHH and Taker) person I want fired IMMEDIATELY: JERRY LAWLER.

[Guest Trivia247]

ALL I gots to say on this....

 

HAKU needs to come back Beat HHH then Beat Brock, Unify the titles then drop them to go to NWA TNA for a TV PPV and never be seen again for years afterwards

 

ha!

[Guest kindredone]

I think Taker will be taking some time off due to his wife being pregnant.Im not a big fan of UT,but hes got some time left.He should stick around and put some of the younger guys over.I think Lesnar needs to destroy Taker,put him out for awhile,and set up a huge rematch later on,when Taker comes back from his vacation...

[Guest Midnight Express83]

Taker, Hogan, and HHH should job to everyone not named Brawler. Then be realsed and or fired.

[Guest Pop Culture God]

Undertaker often uses his backstage power to secure his place. I'm not saying he's the spawn of Satan, but it's time to hang em up.

[Guest buffybeast]

The WWE will continue to lose money until they GET RID of HHH and Undertaker.

I would have to argue with this statement. I don't think the characters of HHH and Taker cause the company to lose money. Quite the opposite. Both Taker and HHH are proven money making commodities for the company.

 

Now their actions, on the other hand, are probably not conducive to a money making organization. But I blame Vince for allowing their actions to affect the product in a negative way.