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[Guest HartFan86]

Hogan should be above HHH. At least Hogan gave us more awesome moments/matches/entertainment this year then HHH.

[Guest razazteca]

American Dragon is a Misawa clone + trained by HBK = INDY STUD

[Guest Nevermortal]

Jerry Lawler above RVD?

 

What in the blue fuck?

[Guest Zero_Cool]

Not to mention Jeff Hardy WAY above RVD. Poor Rob.

 

The rest of the list looks fairly correcy. I need to see this American Dragon guy. If Michaels trained him, why doesn't Shawn just put in a good word for him? You'd think he'd push for Dragon to be in WWE, as it would make himself look good to be a mentor of the "indy stud".

[Guest razazteca]

American Dragon did have developmental deal with the WWE back in 2001? but was cut during the summer of that year? Since then Dragon has been working in the East Coast along with Low Ki working stiff matches.

 

Since American Dragon works a stiff style with submissions he has been looked over. But American Dragon would make a perfect addition to Smackdown as he could add some new blood to "boring" matches that they are currently in. I would mark out if they ever booked American Dragon vs Benoit or vs Angle or vs Guerrero (either one).

[Guest Loss4Words]

I guess Knoble being unable to have a good match with Taijiri or Kidman makes him better than Jericho, who has had good matches with Kane, Hogan and RVD. I'm longing for the day when Jericho will make the top ten, because I honestly don't see what separates him from Benoit, Guerrero and Angle.

[Guest Banky]

I guess Knoble being unable to have a good match with Taijiri or Kidman makes him better than Jericho, who has had good matches with Kane, Hogan and RVD. I'm longing for the day when Jericho will make the top ten, because I honestly don't see what separates him from Benoit, Guerrero and Angle.

He dissed the 'net, hence why he'll never get respect from smarkies again.

[Guest Brian]

Knoble was simply incredible in the ring with Mysterio during Rebellion and I'd go as far to say that he carried a large section of that match. And he did have some HWA work during the period which probably really helped him out.

 

Jericho's sloppiness. I love Jericho, especially his selling, but he's not on Benoit and Guerrero's level. Maybe Angle's, but I still think he's ranked quite a bit high. Jericho hasn't really shown anything since facing the Rock that he can work at that level.

 

Edge's selling has been horrendous at times, he's been in the ring with great workers, and he was smoked during the tag match. Everyone was faster than him and everyone outbumped him.

 

RVD hasn't had a good match within the period I can think of, aside from the Eddy series. He blew it with Benoit and almost blew the ladder match. He's had alot of watchable crap but that's more an extent of his moves being enjoyable to watch.

[Guest Nevermortal]

RVD hasn't had a good match within the period I can think of, aside from the Eddy series. He blew it with Benoit and almost blew the ladder match. He's had alot of watchable crap but that's more an extent of his moves being enjoyable to watch.

But c'mon....Lawler is better? When's the last time Lawler worked?

[Guest Loss4Words]

"Knoble was simply incredible in the ring with Mysterio during Rebellion and I'd go as far to say that he carried a large section of that match. And he did have some HWA work during the period which probably really helped him out."

 

I haven't seen the match in question. You may very well be right. I should see it. I just know that overall, Jamie Knoble was a far superior worker in WCW when he wasn't confined to a specific style. I see very little in the way of pacing, average moveset and build. I know that's not totally fair, but Knoble is not being allowed to take the gloves off.

 

"Jericho's sloppiness. I love Jericho, especially his selling, but he's not on Benoit and Guerrero's level. Maybe Angle's, but I still think he's ranked quite a bit high. Jericho hasn't really shown anything since facing the Rock that he can work at that level."

 

He's gotten more out of Kane than anyone in recent memory. He got more out of Hogan than perhaps anyone in the past ten years besides maybe Rock, and that was a totally different type of match. And I fail to see the sloppiness anymore. I haven't seen him blow a spot in well over a year. I can't even remember the last time he messed anything up.

 

 

"Edge's selling has been horrendous at times, he's been in the ring with great workers, and he was smoked during the tag match. Everyone was faster than him and everyone outbumped him."

 

That I do agree with. We'll see how Edge does when he moves on from the Smackdown trinity and feuds with other wrestlers. It will be interesting to see how he's improved in a neutral atmosphere.

 

"RVD hasn't had a good match within the period I can think of, aside from the Eddy series. He blew it with Benoit and almost blew the ladder match. He's had alot of watchable crap but that's more an extent of his moves being enjoyable to watch."

 

RVD is not the best worker in the world, but he's far from the worst and he's also far from mediocre. He's made a dramatic improvement in the past 12 months and could still stand some improvement, but it's unfair to judge him for mistakes that he doesn't make nearly as often at this stage.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Jericho has the same problem as Edge - God-awful offense. Given that Jericho's been away from good workers for quite some time now as well as having a stale character, well, you can't honestly say he's been having good matches these past six months. Edge's selling has been bad at times, but at others it has been really good, good enough for it to move the match up a notch. His Summerslam match with Eddie is a good example minus the finish, and his selling in the Unforgiven Eddie match was fantastic, and really helped build a good match story.

[Guest Brian]

I think Lawler had a match in JAW or wherever that was supposedly really, really good and old school.

 

Jericho should probably be higher, the Hogan match was something. It's just Jericho's offense is somewhat rushed and sloppy and not that crisp.

 

I just don't think it's fair to look at Edge's tag work because he's basically the hot tag. But his selling against Benoti was horrendous and it makes you think.

 

RVD's improvement is generally all in the confines of the style. Some are limited, others are forced to cut back and you get something like RVD where he just needed to be faceted in a sense. Not to say he isn't improved, but that's a big part of it.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Seeing RVD and Stevie Richards below Ron Simmons was a little disturbing, but overall this is a good list.

 

Oh yeah, AmDragon is in OVW? PUT HIS ASS ON TV!!!

I think Am Dragon left OVW. He's in RoH.

 

I'd like to see him in the WWE, if he's under a hood. That way he can just shut up and wrestle.(Not to mention hide the bedhead.)

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

488) Rob Van Dam

 

[Guest razazteca]

American Dragon has not worn a mask since his rookie year in Shawn Michaels promotion, right?

[Guest Brian]

I think American Dragon only worked under the mask in FMW.

[Guest goodhelmet]

its been a couple of years but i am almost positive he wore it here (in san antonio) and lost the mask in a match vs. spanky iirc. can someone refresh my memory???

[Guest razazteca]

I do remember that American Dragon did lose the mask in San Antonio, I think it was on KENS tv

[EL DANDY~! 0]

Listen, if American Dragon showed up in the WWE, it would be on a limited moveset, and the Cattle Mutilation would never be a submission move Vince would allow. Can Vince swallow his fuckin pride for once?

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Why exactly would Vince ban The Cattle Mutilation?

[Guest The Superstar]

*Ahem* someone care explaining this Cattle Mutilation? How about Spanky's Sliced Bread #2?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

No shit.

 

It's basically just a double arm bar.

 

It looks cool...but it's still basically just a double arm bar.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Sliced Bread #2 starts off like The Acid Drop but halfway through Spanky hits a moonsault and ends in a reverse ddt.

[EL DANDY~! 0]

OK. I need a viable explanation...how can RVD be # 488 when he had good matches with Eddy AND Benoit, your two top guys, yet all of a sudden, Christian, Spike Dudley, JERRY LAWLER, and Jeff Hardy ahead of him.

 

Oh, and Sliced Bread #2 is like Naoimichi Marufuji's Shiranui, if you've seen it, Moonsault into a Reverse DDT, and Cattle Mutilation is the WAR Special (Front Bridging Double Chickenwing)

[Guest DEAN RASMUSSEN]

OK. I need a viable explanation...how can RVD be # 488 when he had good matches with Eddy AND Benoit, your two top guys, yet all of a sudden, Christian, Spike Dudley, JERRY LAWLER, and Jeff Hardy ahead of him.

 

Oh, and Sliced Bread #2 is like Naoimichi Marufuji's Shiranui, if you've seen it, Moonsault into a Reverse DDT, and Cattle Mutilation is the WAR Special (Front Bridging Double Chickenwing)

RVD SUCCCCKKKKKEEED in that Benoit match. I would have to go back to Benoit vs Mike Rotunda on Worldwide to find a worse Benoit match. Lex Luger would have been better selling his shoulder in that match.

 

Cattle Mutilation is a WAR Special with a BRIDGE.

 

DEAN.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I think you guys have overreacted to that match.

 

It was the first time I ever saw RVD actually feel pain on his body part after hitting a move. After a shoulder thrust, he couldn't continue.

 

If only Edge had decided to do that with Eddy that night after the spear.

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

Is this list for the whole year or current workers?

 

If it's for the whole year then why is Benoit #2?

 

I wasn't even going to post in this tread, because I hate these guys. I think WE on this board could make a more accurate list.

[Guest DEAN RASMUSSEN]

Is this list for the whole year or current workers?

 

If it's for the whole year then why is Benoit #2?

 

I wasn't even going to post in this tread, because I hate these guys. I think WE on this board could make a more accurate list.

- The last 6 months.

- It's not, he ruled the last six months.

- Have at it. Don't forget all the IWRG, the Puerto Rico and the FMW Restart tapes.

 

GODSPEED~!

 

DEAN.

[Guest razazteca]

RVD vs Benoit at Summerslam is the match at question? the matches vs Eddy were better, and the Tommy Dreamer match was good, plus RVD won 3 belts in this time period, right? RVD pops the crowd every time.

 

Should of been in the top 100, his sloppiness was not that bad

[Guest DEAN RASMUSSEN]

RVD vs Benoit at Summerslam is the match at question? the matches vs Eddy were better, and the Tommy Dreamer match was good, plus RVD won 3 belts in this time period, right? RVD pops the crowd every time.

 

Should of been in the top 100, his sloppiness was not that bad

yeah it is.

 

DEAN.