Moves that I want to see

[Guest deadbeater]

Hey Dace, appraise the moves I suggested. Are they any good, or even possible?

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Shooting Star Double Stomp.

[Guest Special K]

Hase Urinage with attacker's right hand over victim's face, ending with attacker slamming victim's head into mat with only his hand over the face. Wouldn't be tough to do, but would look neat.

 

Figure 4 crab (with the attacker using his arms for the figure 4, aort of hard to explain...)

 

Double Fisherman's Buster. (Muscle Buster setup to Brainbuster.)

Double Fisherman's buster.

 

Northern Lights suplex with all opponents limbs captured. Attacker's left arm hammerlocks opponent's left arm around attacker's head, while trapping victim's right arm to own body. Right arm hooks victim's left leg, with victim's right legcrossed over left leg. Deliver Northern Lights-Style Suplex. Would seem to be nigh-impossible to kick out of.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

a figure 4 crab is bascially a texas cloverleaf, isn't it?

[Guest Dace59]

Right, as I said about move names.

The source is the dictionary. Front is a possition and not an action. Reverse is applied to a motion or an action. There fore, indescribing the change in a wrestling move's motion from it's basic type, you can't use a word about possition, when the possition is not changed, but it is correct to use a word at motion.

And even with inverted it isn't right. Because reversing and inverted something are two different things, and you're claiming front is for a motion change, there for can not also be applied to a possistion change.

Changing how you use it, will be pointing out you're wrong.

 

Being respected about the buisness has nothing to do with knowledge of moves.

Moves where horribly called in the 70s. Due to a lack of languege.

 

Back to the moves.

 

Shooting Star Double Stomp.

 

Hard to land or get the right force under it.

 

Hase Urinage with attacker's right hand over victim's face, ending with attacker slamming victim's head into mat with only his hand over the face. Wouldn't be tough to do, but would look neat.

 

It would look horrible and break your hand.

 

a figure 4 crab is bascially a texas cloverleaf, isn't it?

 

Yep.

 

Northern Lights suplex with all opponents limbs captured. Attacker's left arm hammerlocks opponent's left arm around attacker's head, while trapping victim's right arm to own body. Right arm hooks victim's left leg, with victim's right legcrossed over left leg. Deliver Northern Lights-Style Suplex. Would seem to be nigh-impossible to kick out of.

 

You can only hammerlock behind the back. Around the head would be a wrist crunch.

De damn hard to do and take. But seems like I could be done. I've seen a cross legged Northen Lights before.

 

Muscle Buster = Double Leg Fishermans Neckbreaker.

Double Fisherman's buster would be two people giving one person a fishermans buster, one on each side.

 

Edge/Mysterio: Fireball special hurricarana

If you mean Powerbomb or shouldermount Rana, Kidman and Rey have done it in WCW.

 

Benoit/Angle: SuperDick Belly to back/swandive headbutt combo

That's just a combo like you said. Two moves done one after the over.

 

The Guerreros: Gory Special/Hilo. Enough said.

Hilo is not a move. If you mean a Gory Speical Submission with Eddie's Sling Shot Senton, the one with the submission on would be leaning right over, and likely to be hurt.

 

Diva Mutilation: faceplant flip to cattle mutilation submission

Sad, and how you do it anyway form a standing start.

 

Backflip neckbreaker (is that possible?).

Never seen it done. Front flip Neckbreaker off the top (Inverted Diamond Dust) has been done.

 

Sky Twister or Asai Molly Go Round (whoo hoo!!).

First cant be done. Second yep, cuz you can do an Asai tumble weed.

 

Moonwalk slam (Sidewalk slam with a moonwalk while holding opponent- that would be her People's Elbow I guess).

 

Again sad. Cool sohw off though.

 

Bookslam Kick: jump in front of opponent, do a split, then swing both legs closed at opponents face, simulating slamming a book closed. Note it is not a hurricarana.

 

Bell Ringer/Ear Clap done with the legs.

[Guest Special K]

Double overhook Ace Crusher to Cattle Mutilation

 

Guillotine Choke --> Feet-out Giant Swing --> Evenflow, or less risky, spinning neckbreaker.

 

You've never seen a hammerlock northern lights? I haven't but It would just involve reahing behind oppoents back and hammerlocking the arm that's draped around your head. While it wouldn't be painful like a hammerlock is supposed to be, it's another way to trap a limb.

 

The Double leghook buster would set up like a muscle buster, then attacker would drop to his back. Probably be too risky.

 

A nice series of moves would be German-->Sitout inverted spinebuster--> Wheelbarrow suplex.

[Guest WhenDanSaysJump]

Cobra Clutch into a Backdrop Driver.

 

[Guest Dace59]

Double overhook Ace Crusher to Cattle Mutilation

 

Cool idea.

 

Guillotine Choke --> Feet-out Giant Swing --> Evenflow, or less risky, spinning neckbreaker.

 

Cuillotine choke has the legs around the wasit, it's Front Face Lock choke, but that would work.

 

Yes I've seen a hammerlock northern lights, but I thought you said you hammer lock the arm round their head. You could hammerlock the arm over your head, or on the other side. Both work.

 

The Double leghook buster would set up like a muscle buster, then attacker would drop to his back. Probably be too risky

 

Been done, Ulf Hurmans Buster, and a bridging muscle buster.

 

German to sitout inverted powerbomb to wheel barrow. Nice.

Sort of like SUWA and CIMAs combo.

[Guest job squad]

Cobra Clutch into a Backdrop Driver.

 

not sure how that woude be done since clutch has heads at same level while back drop driver the otherguys head is behind your ass

[Guest Ace309]

A backdrop driver is a high-angle belly to back suplex, job squad.

[Guest Special K]

Dace, could you explain some moves?

 

what is the CIMA SUWA combo you mentioned,

Leviathan/Batista's Devil BOmb

And the two different Ki Krushers?

[Guest Jonathan Barber]

Ki Krusher '99: Delayed Sitdown Fisherman Piledriver through legs.

Ki Krusher '00: Ki Krusher '99 w/ foe's legs trapped.

 

Here's some more I'd like to see:

 

Flying Moonsault Falling Inverted DDT.

Belly-to-Back lift into Boss Man Slam

Belly-to-back lift into sitout inverted X-Factor

It's probably been done, but a Super All Standing Double-Team Japanese Armdrag.

Over-the-Shoulder Powerslam hold into Inverted DDT on other side of body.

It'd basically be impossible, but a vertical suplex into a sitdown Spinebuster slam would sure as hell look cool.

Has a Belly-to-Back Lift (backdrop suplex lift) into a sitdown inverted powerbomb ever been done?

Inverted Bodyslam lift into Implant DDT

Inverted Chokeslam (w/ foe facing opposite way of regular chokeslam [grab him by back of neck])

Inverted Jackhammer Suplex

Bearhug (you'd really need more of a high-angle spinebuster) into Sitout Face Plant/Faceslam/X-Factor

Inverted bodyslam lift into Cutter (it could be done, but it'd be hard)

Bodyslam lift into Neckbreaker

An inverted (back-to-back) version of the move that Modest and Morgan sometimes use. Modest used it in Beyond the Mat and Morgan used it on an early XPW show. What is that move technically called anyway?

Shouldermount/Flying Rana combo

Inverted Press Slam into Sitdown Powerbomb w/ single-leg pin (the result of Trent Acid's Blue Thunder Driver)

Powerbomb into Buttbreaker (Backbreaker on BUTT)

 

Man, I'm undoubtedly the most innovative guy on this board. I must've covered most moves that are possible and haven't been done in that above list.

 

Dace, is a Bossman Slam a sideslam or a sidewalk slam?

Dace, what's the difference between inverted and reverse?

[Guest Ash Ketchum]

My e-wrestler's finisher is a shooting star knee drop, so I don't see why we couldn't do a shooting star double stomp.

 

It'd have to be dealy precise and quick, though.

[Guest CED Ordonez]

Crowd Surf Elbow Drop to the Floor. I figure it's probably been done in the indies

 

Moonsault "Suplex" Grab the guy and do a moonsault while he does a forward flip and end up in a Thesz Press. Contrived and dangerous, but it just sounds cool.

 

Camel Clutch + Inverted Boston Crab Probably physically impossible outside the Joshi realm.

 

Poison Frankensteiner off the Doomsday Device/Electric Chair setup. Dangerous as hell but I think it's physically possible.

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

I have no idea what a Poison Frankensteiner is, but I do know that a Doomsday 'Rana is possible, as I've seen it done.

 

And I think that a SSP Foot Stomp would have to be extremely precise, or you're breaking both ankles.

 

Assuming that by inverted crab you mean a crab while you face the other way (I have no idea how to use reverse and inverted in mat holds), then the Boston Crab/Camel Clutch is possible, but has two problems:

 

It's really hard to hold both the person's arms and their legs, so the move looks iffy, like they're not really keeping you there.

 

It's PAINFUL AS ALL HELL. Speaking from experience, of course.

 

I think the inverted Chokeslam would be really tricky. There's not much for a good grip there...Your hand could theoretically just slide right off when you lift up. Also, the other guy wouldn't be able to help with the lift by puting his arm on you, so it'd be even trickier.

 

Personally, I wonder if this would be possible: Powerbomb lift, and the guy flips out like Kidman. However, the guy goes forward just a bit, and gets caught with either a Bareback or a Flatline.

[Guest Dace59]

what is the CIMA SUWA combo you mentioned

 

German Suplex to Inverted powerbomb across the rope to sitout inverted powerbomb with diamond cutter. As in SD!3

 

Leviathan/Batista's Devil BOmb

Havent seen.

 

Ki Krusher ’99: Fishermans MD2 (Head drop version)

 

 

Camel Clutch + Inverted Boston Crab

Kanyon does an Inverted crab.

 

Personally, I wonder if this would be possible: Powerbomb lift, and the guy flips out like Kidman. However, the guy goes forward just a bit, and gets caught with either a Bareback or a Flatline

 

Powerbomb to flatliner’s been done. Probably by Kanyon I think.

 

 

Poison Frankensteiner off the Doomsday Device/Electric Chair setup

Once again, Kidman and Rey in WCW.

 

Flying Moonsault Falling Inverted DDT

 

Dunno about a reverse inverted DDT, but one a Moonsualt to Inverted DDt has been done.

 

Belly-to-Back lift into Boss Man Slam

 

Proto Bomb

 

Has a Belly-to-Back Lift (backdrop suplex lift) into a sitdown inverted powerbomb ever been done

 

CZW, Nick Birck’s Birckulator

 

Inverted Chokeslam

 

Been done, also see FPA2

 

Inverted bodyslam lift into Cutter (it could be done, but it'd be hard)

Bodyslam lift into Neckbreaker

 

Body slam to cutter has bee done. And a Canadia Backbreaker to cutter too. So it should be possible.

 

An inverted (back-to-back) version of the move that Modest and Morgan sometimes use. Modest used it in Beyond the Mat and Morgan used it on an early XPW show. What is that move technically called anyway?

 

The Kryptonite Krunch (Nova) Reality Check (Modest) And Air Raid Crash (Joshi star, and it’s inventor)

Someone’s done a back to back version. It’s an Inverted Emerald Frusion/Sheer drop inverted bulldog with leg hook.

 

Inverted Press Slam into Sitdown Powerbomb w/ single-leg pin (the result of Trent Acid's Blue Thunder Driver)

 

Thought of that one befor. It’s Blue Thunder BOMB, used in Japan (Backdrop to sitout powerbomb)

 

Dace, is a Bossman Slam a sideslam or a sidewalk slam?

 

Sidewalk.

 

Dace, what's the difference between inverted and reverse?

 

I hate to say thing, but the fact you don’t know, proves you that cant have much knowledge on the technical side of moves.

 

REVERSE = Opposite motion of the move.

INVERTED = Opposite posstion of the move.

 

EG:

DDT

Grab in facelock, fall backwards. Opp lands on head, you on back.

Reverse DDT

Grab in facelock, fall forwards. Opp lands on front, you on front.

Inverted DDT

Grab in inverted facelock (opp face up) fall back, opp lands on back of head, you on back.

Reverse Inverted DDT

Grab in Inverted facelock, fall forwards, opp lands on back, you on front.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

A short-arm whip into a really stiff headbutt would be sick as hell.

 

What's the actual name of that forward roll kick that Lyger and Kawada use sometimes? Their heel strikes the opponent.

 

Doing that off the top rope would be pretty ill.

[Guest Jonathan Barber]

Berk's Berkulator is a Backdrop Suplex into Front Slam.

 

I know it's a Blue Thunder Bomb, but Acid calls his move a Driver.

 

The Liger kick and Kawada kick is called a rolling koppu kick.

 

Here's another:

 

A back-to-back crooked Kryptonic Krunch into a Crippler Crossface.

[Guest Dace59]

Arhh..

True,

True

True.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

Back-to-back Air Raid Crash into a Crossface would be a nice little combo...

 

I'd like to see the attacker holding the receiver's arm out after a dragon twist, stand in front of the receiver, and then jump up and wrap his legs around the receiver's arm and neck, delivering a 'rana. Then, the attacker moves slightly to the side, and applies a Triangle Hold.

Head-And-Arm 'Rana to Triangle Hold.

 

I got the idea after Kid Kash vs. CW Anderson from a 2000 ECW PPV (Hardcore Heaven or Heat Wave, methinks). Kash went for a top-'buckle 'rana (with both men standing on the top 'buckle), but CW put his arm between Kash's legs, and was caught in a Head-And-Arm 'Rana.

 

Been done on purpose before, Dace?

[Guest Jonathan Barber]

I'm so innovative.

 

Here's two more:

 

Fireman Carry into Bulldog Lariat

Torture Rack into Bulldog

 

I can't imagine that it hasn't been done, but I don't think I've ever seen a sitdown double-leg slam.

 

Dace, I think I was wrong in saying that Berk's Berkulator is only a backdrop suplex into a front slam. I asked around, and I understand that he has two versions of it, the second being what you said - a backdrop suplex into sitdown inverted powerbomb, and no, I'm not mixing these moves up with the Berkocet and Berkocet '02.

[Guest CED Ordonez]

Nothing innovative, but just brutal as frick: Giant Swing into a Post/Wall/Immovable Object

 

And move I want to see AGAIN: Forget the match, but it was a Joshi tag match where this one gal did an Asai moonsault to the outside while she was still technically in the ring.

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

I can't remember their names for the LIFE of me, but I recall seeing this in one Juniors match - One guy used a giant swing, and his partner dropkicked the guy in the head as he swung around. Sick.

 

Also, I've decided that if he hasn't already, American Dragon NEEDS NEEDS NEEDS to start using a Tiger Suplex, just so he can hit it, get a two-count before the guy rolls one shoulder up, then without breaking the double-chicken wing, roll the guy over and go right into a Cattle Mutilation.

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

I've seen it done in video games, but never in real life. Has anybody done a German Suplex into a Japanese Rolling Crutch Pin( I imagine in real life it would look more like a roll up than a suplex pin), or maybe Zangeif(Street Fighter)style multiply Germans, where he back flips after the first German, slingshotting the victim back up in a rear waistlock, repeat.

 

And has anybody been crazy enough to take an Orange Crush on their neck and shoulders(head?).

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

I wouldn't mind seeing a Half-Dragon, Half-Tiger release suplex.

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

Jay Briscoe does use a Half-Nelson, Half-Chickenwing suplex (He calls it the Half and Half) but he doesn't do a mid-air release, to the best of my knowledge.

[Guest Dace59]

Fireman Carry into Bulldog Lariat

 

You mean an Inverted Bullbog, ala part of the Hart Attak/ The Side Effect.

 

If so, that's a finisher of a friend my mine that works in the indies.

 

I havent seen any recent CZW stuff, so I wouldnt know Berck's latest moves.

So, ok.

 

Forget the match, but it was a Joshi tag match where this one gal did an Asai moonsault to the outside while she was still technically in the ring.

 

Inside out moonsault ala Jericho (eg Super J Cup 95) and Dragon Kid's Bamhuda Triangle.

 

Has anybody done a German Suplex into a Japanese Rolling Crutch Pin( I imagine in real life it would look more like a roll up than a suplex pin)

 

Deplhin does them.

And Sasukes rolling germans, he doesnt roll to the side, he flips over and drags them back to their feet. Just as in the Fire Pro games.

 

I've never seen Jay release the half an half either.

[Guest CED Ordonez]

I wouldn't mind seeing a Half-Dragon, Half-Tiger release suplex.

Wouldn't that be a release TS '85? I always pondered the half-dragon,half-tiger suplex and wondered why it was never dubbed the "Chimera Suplex".

 

Anybody done a sheer-drop Lygerbomb, hitting more of the shoulders than back?

[Guest Dace59]

Wouldn't that be a release TS '85?

 

No, where did you get that idea from?

TS'85 = Underhook sleeper suplex, you reacher under both arms, and then apply a sleeper, with both arms trapped and suplex them

 

The Single Chicken Wind Suplex, Half Nelson suplex has one arm hooked behind the back in a chicken wing, ane the other pinned be reaching up under the shoulder and pressing on the neck in a half nelson.

 

Two different moves.

 

Chimera Suplex = German to Tiger to Dragon rolling suplexes. Somoa Joe

 

A Lyger bomb is high angle in it's self. You couldnt do a sheer drop (which lands on the neck) and hook the arms without damn near breaking their neck.

[Guest CED Ordonez]

Sorry, got confused.