Buying adult comics is illegal

[Guest cynicalprofit]

Dear god, I dont think I've been this disturbed in years.

 

http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/1973.html

 

ID just like to point their argument real quick.

 

"In the original case, the prosecution argued that comics are a children's medium, and that the medium and the proximity of the store to a school meant that the adult material was meant to appeal to children."

 

Is that not beyond stupid. No medium is a children only medium. Not music, not tv, not food, not art, NOTHING is a childrens only medium. There maybe things not ment for children in the medium, but there is no medium only for kids.

 

MY 1000th post, yippie

[Guest MrRant]

Well if you look at it... comics were originally targeted towards kids.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

Yeah back in the 1900's and its 2002 now.

[Guest CED Ordonez]

ID just like to point their argument real quick.

 

"In the original case, the prosecution argued that comics are a children's medium, and that the medium and the proximity of the store to a school meant that the adult material was meant to appeal to children."

 

Comic books are NOT a children's medium in the same respects that animation is NOT a children's medium. Go over to Japan and tell them that. Japan respects these so-called "children's mediums" as legitimate means of storytelling and cover every genre imaginable, adult in nature or not, including what has seemingly been deemed illegal here in the U.S.

 

I believe Castillo was convicted wrongly. He properly sold adult material to a consenting adult. Furthermore, the material in question was sectioned off to prevent minors from viewing the material in the first place.

 

At this point, I'd most likely pay good money to have a "Comics are not just a children's medium" shirt made with a big picture of a bloodied Punisher with guns blazing or a bad ass looking Kenshin Himura with sword drawn on the back.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

WTF?!

 

Let me get this straight, since I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer -- especially when I've been up for 21 hours.

 

The guy sold an "adult" comic book to an adult and they busted him?

 

Uh-huh.

 

Pretty soon we won't be able to do ANYTHING because of the f'n children...

[Guest EricMM]

Yeah it was all hidden away and everything.

 

But someone got their panties in a bunch, and he got arrested for all that indecent exposure or WHATEVER, and now he could see jailtime and fine etc.

 

For selling the hand drawn equivilant of well, probably Hustler.

[Guest Kagato Otaku]

Holy moly.

 

I'm in complete agreement with everything cynicalprofit just said.

 

*shakes head*

 

I'm in complete agreement with everything cynicalprofit just said.

 

Gosh, that just doesn't sound right.

 

Nonetheless, the man is correct.

 

"And, again, why are we here?  ... This medium, the medium that this obscenity is placed in is done so in an appealing manner to children.  Comic books, and I don't care what type of evidence or what type of testimony is out there, use your rationality, use your common sense.  Comic books, traditionally what we think of, are for kids. This is in a store directly across from an elementary school and it is put in a medium, in a forum, to directly appeal to kids.  That is why we are here, ladies and gentlemen.  I want to re-emphasize that the fact that all this smut is out there, does not mean it's acceptable and is decent by our community.  We're here to get this off the shelf."

 

*ahem*

 

The comic retailer...sold an adult manga...to a friggin' adult.

 

Read that again and tell me how this decision stands not once, but twice.

 

There was a Fiesta and an old gas station across the street from my old elementary school. Kids regularly frequented the place. Adults sometimes bought Playboys from under the counter there.

 

Are those stores liable for obscenity laws? No.

 

And neither is the comic retailer. The manga wasn't sold to a kid, the store took precautions to make sure children didn't have access to the material, and therefore there shouldn't be a case. How perfectly fucking asinine.

 

How did this even come to court?

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

It's in Texas?...

[Guest The Czech Republic]

Personally, I think anybody whose porn of choice is a JAPANESE COMIC BOOK, should be punished somehow.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Well, you know, if those materials weren't within 50 miles of our schools, this wouldn't happen.

 

Bloody "moral" judgments.

 

Kotzenjunge

Screw The Kids, They Gotta Find Out One Day

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

I suppose now Cinemax should be taken off the air for showing softcore porn...

 

Or how about we close Troma studios for their gratuitous use of nudity?

 

Or, best yet, get rid of Michelangelo's "David" from EVERYWHERE because it shows his pecker.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Wow, backwoods "moral" politics strike again. This one is even worse though, because as the quote outrageously implies, the problem was selling adult comics to an adult.

 

We had 7-11's and liquor stores close to my school, and yet none of them got busted for selling liquor or pornography to adults. Yet, because of sheer ignorance by the jury for buying into the prosecution's argument, a store that sells adult comics near a school is suddenly endangering the children? What a disagrace...

[Guest MrRant]

I agree it is extreme as well but when you have children you will understand the need to protect them. I don't agree with this at all by the way.

[Guest El Satanico]

Do children even read comics that much anymore? The comic industry is probably doing bigger business with people 18 and over now anyways.

 

These god damn religous groups is going to be one of the downfalls of America. The moral police can't protect children from the world and they need to stop getting so worked up over it.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

I agree it is extreme as well but when you have children you will understand the need to protect them.

 

I still dont get why this line of thought still persist. You teach your kids about god, santa, and the easter bunny, which all turn out to be lies(in terms of them actually being there physically), and then you complain about how others ruin your kids. WTF.

 

Children all have to grow up sometime or another, whats the point in protecting them when teaching them about things makes them better human beings instead of lying to them and sheltering them. Your children are not special and one day they will go up and figureout all the stuff you didnt bother to tell them.

 

Im not saying shove porno or anything like it in a childs face, but at some point you have to tell your kids about these things and prepare them for that part of reality. Dont "protect" them from it, hiding the truth only makes you look like a liar, talk to them about it and say stuff like, we dont approe of it, but it does exist, and we hope you make the same decision about it that we did.

[Guest MrRant]

I agree it is extreme as well but when you have children you will understand the need to protect them.

 

I still dont get why this line of thought still persist. You teach your kids about god, santa, and the easter bunny, which all turn out to be lies(in terms of them actually being there physically), and then you complain about how others ruin your kids. WTF.

 

Children all have to grow up sometime or another, whats the point in protecting them when teaching them about things makes them better human beings instead of lying to them and sheltering them. Your children are not special and one day they will go up and figureout all the stuff you didnt bother to tell them.

 

Im not saying shove porno or anything like it in a childs face, but at some point you have to tell your kids about these things and prepare them for that part of reality. Dont "protect" them from it, hiding the truth only makes you look like a liar, talk to them about it and say stuff like, we dont approe of it, but it does exist, and we hope you make the same decision about it that we did.

We can tell you don't have children but these are things they shouldn't be concerned about till they are in middle school at the least. People like you shouldn't be telling others how to raise their kids you ignorant fuck.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

I still dont get why this line of thought still persist. You teach your kids about god, santa, and the easter bunny, which all turn out to be lies(in terms of them actually being there physically), and then you complain about how others ruin your kids. WTF.

 

The existance of God has hardly been disproven. I know it can't be proven either, but it is possible. We simply don't know, hence it is up to you whether you believe or not. You can argue that he doesn't exist, but you can't state it as fact.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I agree, as it seems inconceivable to me for everything around me to have appearedout of thin air, and before you say anything I find it much more plausible for it to have come out of some omnipotent being. But that's just me. I don't force anything on others, nor do I state it as fact.

 

I can relate that to this story as well, since everyone is different(including children) and therefore should be handled differently, so we don't need one man's view of how things should be run to be definitive.

 

MrRant is right, don't tell someone how to raise their kids. That *is* ignorant...

[Guest EricMM]

We can tell you don't have children but these are things they shouldn't be concerned about till they are in middle school at the least. People like you shouldn't be telling others how to raise their kids you ignorant fuck.

Everyone has experiance around raising kids considering they were kids once and had parents. Either way, you yourself need to get off your high horse. Just because I don't have kids now doesn't mean that when I do I won't do it a hell of a lot better than some parents out there.

 

There is no reason to "protect" kids from sex, because if you teach a kid about sex, sex is not dangerous. However, if you PROTECT a kid from sex, and they end up calling loveline someday complaining that they got pregnant even tho they only let their boyfriend squirt ONCE inside them (true story) then YOU'RE the one who raised a problem.

 

I don't mean you as in Mr.Rant, I mean you as in somebody.

[Guest EricMM]

MrRant is right, don't tell someone how to raise their kids. That *is* ignorant...

I would say that in 70-90% of the time, this is true. However, clearly, 10-30% of America (and probably the world) possibly more or less, are complete and utter shits, and will raise complete and utter shits. They are racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobic, ignorant, violent, diviants. I wish someone in this State would realize that while having children seems to be a god given right, if you screw up the child because you'd rather thrash them than parent them, you shouldn't be allowed to have or raise your kid.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I understand, as I should have been a little more specific. What I meant was not to raise *all* kids under the same mold, but rather to treat them as individuals who have different tastes and needs. But you're right, some people out there could use a good talkin-to...

[Guest cynicalprofit]

I was just using god as an example, alot of people dont like their parents because religion was forced on them, they found it to be untrue, and get mad at their parents for it. I wasnt trying to be offensive with it.

 

e can tell you don't have children but these are things they shouldn't be concerned about till they are in middle school at the least.

So we can forget warning them about taking candy from strangers then?

 

 

People like you shouldn't be telling others how to raise their kids you ignorant fuck.

Im sorry but when Im at a restaurant and the parents cant and wont control their kids, I/you should be allowed to yell at them to shut the hell up. And beating your child in public should allow me/you to beat the childs mother just like she is to the kid. Im not talking spanking, im talking a full fledged closed fist beating.

 

EricMM and I agree, thats a first.

 

Im all for licenses to have kids, sure it may not be ok on alot of levels, but if you dont know anything about raising kids/ you arent gonna take care of them, or you're not mature enough to have them, you should not be having them.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"Im sorry but when Im at a restaurant and the parents cant and wont control their kids, I/you should be allowed to yell at them to shut the hell up."

 

I second that notion.

 

Why can't there ever be a restaurant or theater that instead of having "kids eat free Tuesday" they have "kids eat at triple price Tuesday"? I'd frequent that place EVERY night...

[Guest evenflowDDT]

MrRant is right, don't tell someone how to raise their kids. That *is* ignorant...

While I agree with this a hundred percent, isn't it even more ignorant to tell an adult who's legally selling "sensitive material" to another adult while taking all necessary precautions to keep that material away from children's eyes that they can't conduct business just because they're conducting it near children? What, are they supposed to be corrupted by osmosis? And isn't THAT also forcing someone to raise their children a certain way, shielded from such material?

[Guest MrRant]

Bottom line is this... if I want to raise my kids to be little devils and ruin everyone else's time... its my choice since they are MY children. If I want to protect them from certain things until a certain age and it interferes with how you get along in life ... TOUGH SHIT. Why? For the same reasons that you don't want the "protecting of kids" to interfere in your life, I don't want your life to interfere with my "protecting of my kid".

[Guest The Czech Republic]

I guess since I'm against the government controlling content, I'll say this:

 

Have your Japanimation cartoon porn, but you're a sick fuck.

[Guest EricMM]

Bottom line is this... if I want to raise my kids to be little devils and ruin everyone else's time... its my choice since they are MY children. If I want to protect them from certain things until a certain age and it interferes with how you get along in life ... TOUGH SHIT. Why? For the same reasons that you don't want the "protecting of kids" to interfere in your life, I don't want your life to interfere with my "protecting of my kid".

 

Not if you're a deviant or a total idiot. Noone has the right to severely hurt anyone, your own kid included.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

MrRant is right, don't tell someone how to raise their kids. That *is* ignorant...

While I agree with this a hundred percent, isn't it even more ignorant to tell an adult who's legally selling "sensitive material" to another adult while taking all necessary precautions to keep that material away from children's eyes that they can't conduct business just because they're conducting it near children? What, are they supposed to be corrupted by osmosis? And isn't THAT also forcing someone to raise their children a certain way, shielded from such material?

I don't think I fully explained myself with this one. I never said that it should be illegal for adults to buy the comics, that's a totally different matter entirely. I never meant that not telling parents how to raise their kids is the same thing as forcing people to not conduct business that's completely legal, as I find nothing wrong with selling comics intended FOR adults TO adults. I completely agree with whomever said that there is no medium which is used for a specific age demographic. Except porn, but that's a totally seperate argument....

[Guest The Czech Republic]

Aren't there better forms and media of pornography than Japanese cartoons getting it on?

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Aren't there better forms and media of pornography than Japanese cartoons getting it on?

Like what? Japanese scat? Extreme bondage? Rape/snuff fantasy? Just saying that hentai is weird but not even that bad in the overall scheme of things.

 

Oh, and sorry I misinterpreted what you were saying Paragon. That wasn't a challenge to you, by the way.