Juventud's stuff from NOAH any good?

[Guest TheyCallMeMark]

I'm kind of into juniors at the moment, so I figured I'd go after a wide range of stuff. Since my next purchase looks to be a good deal of juniors material from Highspots, I thought I might as well pick up a couple of things that aren't always pimped by everyone to the moon. Noticing they had a NOAH Juniors thing with alot of Guerrera on it, I was interested because from what I understand he is (or at least was at one time) a pretty outstanding worker. The jist of my question is has anyone seen enough NOAH juniors stuff to tell me if it's worth looking into or not? I'm a little hesatent to just toss ten bucks at it when there are plenty of other tapes I could get that I know are good... Thanks in advance.

 

EDIT: Well that was quite the run-on sentance.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

The key phrase there is "at one point." Juvi can only be counted on to show up on pretty much any card these days, because his work isn't what it was even in his later WCW days. If you want good Juvi work, it's best that you look elsewhere. Tim has often pimped his '96 match with Rey as one of the best juniors matches ever, and his AAA work, in general, is often spoken highly of. Unfortunatly I'm no expert on that, but several guys in this folder could help you out, and there's another folder specified for Lucha.

 

As for NOAH juniors, the 12/9 Takaiwa v. Marufuji match got pimped quite a bit as the best junior match last year, though there hasn't been much high end stuff from juniors in quite a while. The Kikuchi/Kanemura v. Liger/Inoue 2/17/02 tag is also quite a bit of fun, with Liger doing the rudo act wonderfully as usual. Great heat, and good work from everyone, as even the green Inoue and old man Kikuchi played their roles well.

[Guest shlidgn90]

i am not a big juventud fan by any means. but, i watched the noah show(2/17) earlier this week and he looks like the 98 version out there(which is really good). he carried marafuji to a good match by, in my opinion, playing a better rudo than liger.

[EL DANDY~!]

I did enjoy Juvi's match with Kanemura in the GHC Jr. Heavyweight Title tourney finals in mid-2001. I'm not sure about any of his other matches, but Juvi sure impressed me in that match.

[Guest ConspiracyVictim]

Yeah ive seen the Kanemura match and it was pretty good IMO. Unfortunatley since last year Juvi has lost alot of his steam due to his obssesive love for crack and ladies. Im not joking either, the guy seriously has a problem. I would really like to see him get his life back on track because he is too young and has to much talent for it to be wasted. Also is the Rey v. Juvi match that Tim is talking about their 3/96 match because if so I have seen that one also and it is a must have. Their cage match wasnt all that great though.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Also is the Rey v. Juvi match that Tim is talking about their 3/96 match because if so I have seen that one also and it is a must have. Their cage match wasnt all that great though.

Yeah, that's the one. I'm hoping to see it pretty soon.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Call me crazy, but I always liked the Rey/Psichosis pairing more that Rey/Juvi.

[Guest Tim Cooke]

Rey/Psicosis is like Liger/Kanemoto while Rey/Juvi is like Liger/Otani from 1996/1997. Both groups are good matches, yet the latter produces matches that the former could only wish.

 

The more I watch of Juvi from 1995-3/96, the more apparent it is that he had everything. Great move set, top notch psychology, knowledge of how to work a variety of different styles, great rudo skills, etc.

 

Psic was a great bumper and had his strengths but Juvi brought the total package.

 

Tim

[Guest ConspiracyVictim]

Rey/Psicosis is like Liger/Kanemoto while Rey/Juvi is like Liger/Otani from 1996/1997. Both groups are good matches, yet the latter produces matches that the former could only wish.

 

The more I watch of Juvi from 1995-3/96, the more apparent it is that he had everything. Great move set, top notch psychology, knowledge of how to work a variety of different styles, great rudo skills, etc.

 

Psic was a great bumper and had his strengths but Juvi brought the total package.

 

I personally think Psic is the better rudo of the two but that is just my opinion...but he really had a time to shine as a rudo in 1997 in Azteca and he did really well. Your analogy is pretty good although I think some Psic v. Rey matches are better than Juvi/Rey matches and vice versa. Plus the fact that Rey and Psic literally probably faced each other over 30 times (including their EARLY TJ matches) contributed to their matches. Juvi was great during that era but his time in WCW made him lazy. He just began not to care anymore and that kinda sucks. I really wish he would get it back together, get out of XPW, and take it back to Japan because he could still contribute.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I like the size difference between Rey/Psic in particular. It automatically casts Rey as the underdog, and kind of adds a little built-in storyline of its own. Also, Psic's just tall enough for Rey to be able to do a rana with reckless abandon and not have to worry about smacking his head on the way down, resulting in amazing speed and fluidity, but that's a small thing.

 

Psic's got amazing toughness, too. I've seen the guy dive from the top of a ladder only to splatter on the concrete below only to get up like nothing happened. It blows my mind. Juvi's easily the better all-around worker, but I thought the Psic matches were more fun.

 

Speaking of going downhill, has Nicho done anything of note this year?

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Rey/Psicosis is like Liger/Kanemoto while Rey/Juvi is like Liger/Otani from 1996/1997. Both groups are good matches, yet the latter produces matches that the former could only wish.

I have to agree. Since Psychosis/Rey was the first real Lucha feud on American soil, most people have fond memories of that pairing. If you look at Juvi/Rey bouts they are slightly better.

 

 

But that's like saying BMWs are better than Mercedes-Benzs.