austin bigger than rock?only a crakhed would agree

[Guest the_hurricane]

all you people that keep saying austin is bigger than the rock make me sick when all ya know it is not true and it will never be true....I hate stone cold with a passion and would never compare to the greatness of the rock....if he is so much bigger

 

1.  why isn;'t he fighting hogan

 

2,  every single time that austin is getting his ass whipped they chant rock's name???

 

3.  why is it that rock does not even have to say a word and only pose and the building erupts for him and chant his name thousands of times?????

 

If you look at last year's wm,,,,the rock was acting like a heel and it was flooded everywhere that rock was turning heel at wm.....which was the plan to fool everyone like vince always likes to do.....so that the unthinkable can happen....

 

all you austin marks are stupid

 

the rock has his second multi-million dollar movie coming which ya'll know you will see

 

 

he was on time magazine, rolling stone, like every tv show and has like mad movie offers

 

austin himself admitted all he really had was his own series from the makers of nash bridges....

 

the rock is way more popular fan wise, merchandise wise, and especially media wise,

 

so accept it and move on, cause this is making me so sick.....

[Guest Beingz0wningj00]

WHAT!! WHAT!! WHAT!!

 

 

Can the Rock market a word like that!? WHAT!!

 

 

But anyway, that's not the point, nor my argument, so don't quote me fucknut. It's making you sick, oh my god, I should cry you a fucking river. Wah Wah. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion. I like Austin better then the Rock, I think he's accomplished more, and to say that the Rock has more movie contracts and shit is just fucking stupid, seeing as how Austin was heel for most of last year.

 

Austin is better for the wrestling business, and that's all I really need to say. The media may say different, but fuck, Hulk Hogan has made more movies then the Rock, are we going to argue about that as well?

[Guest Army Eye]

1.  why isn;'t he fighting hogan

Because Rock is booked to fight Hogan.

 

2,  every single time that austin is getting his ass whipped they chant rock's name???

I think you've exaggerated.

 

3.  why is it that rock does not even have to say a word and only pose and the building erupts for him and chant his name thousands of times?????

Austin could do the same thing if he wanted to.  Austin gets bigger pops than Rock.

[Guest the_hurricane]

first off, you can like austin better but even vince knows the rock is by far the most marketable wrestler.......Hogan made more movies than the rock but not one of them put together times 5 even comes close to what the Mummy 2 grossed and what scorpion king will gross./...I do not need to quote you you dumbfuck, I just made you look stupid....

 

 

and as far as that other poster,,,,Austin's pops do not even come close, the only thing that gets the pops are WHAT? The rocky chants and the finally the rock has come back phrase totally kill any pop austin gets. read the damn backstage results you peckerhead, all the time rock is #1 on the biggest pops list and austin is #2 and sometimes #3 under THE LAME....

 

So the both of you are wrong, do not make me get deeper in this cause I will show every point on how rock is bigger than austin..

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Heh. I like when marks accuse other people of being marks.

 

And the mummy returns was hardly a "Rock Vehicle". He was a supporting character who was in the film for approximately 6 minutes.

 

Austin is bigger than the Rock. End of discussion.

[Guest Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye]

Austin's pops do not even come close, the only thing that gets the pops are WHAT? The rocky chants and the finally the rock has come back phrase totally kill any pop austin gets

 

And RVD gets bigger pops than both. How about that smart guy?

 

Does making a lot of movies and doing a lot of tv appearances make you better than someone else?

 

If we want to get on that topic, how many more t-shirts etc. has Austin sold then Rocky. I would bet about 1, or 2, or a million more.

 

Rocky can kill you with a catchphrase but Austin gets the fans to chant on his EVERY MOVE in the ring and out.

 

And before you post again would you please stop being so confrontational? It will get you nowhere around these parts.

 

Just go ahead and read my sig. It has the answer for you.

[Guest One Bad Apple]

1.  why isn;'t he fighting hogan

They want to start the nWo off with a bang, so why not put Rock against Hogan at WrestleMania? But think about it. If this is the match, then why are they throwing it out there with only one month of build, WrestleMania or not?

 

The reason is probably because they're going to start slowly building to the big payoff ... Austin and Hogan. Austin's fighting Hall because they want to build a ton of hype for when he finally takes on Hogan. If the WWF felt Rock was the bigger star, wrestling-wise, they would've put Austin against Hogan at WM.

 

By the way, I'm surprised no one's pointed this out anywhere yet. I thought it was pretty obvious.

[Guest Army Eye]

the rock is way more popular fan wise, merchandise wise, and especially media wise,

Austin absolutely kills Rock in merchandise sales. Just thought you'd like to know.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

all you people that keep saying austin is bigger than the rock make me sick when all ya know it is not true and it will never be true....I hate stone cold with a passion and would never compare to the greatness of the rock....if he is so much bigger

 

1.  why isn;'t he fighting hogan

 

2,  every single time that austin is getting his ass whipped they chant rock's name???

 

3.  why is it that rock does not even have to say a word and only pose and the building erupts for him and chant his name thousands of times?????

 

If you look at last year's wm,,,,the rock was acting like a heel and it was flooded everywhere that rock was turning heel at wm.....which was the plan to fool everyone like vince always likes to do.....so that the unthinkable can happen....

 

all you austin marks are stupid

 

the rock has his second multi-million dollar movie coming which ya'll know you will see

 

 

he was on time magazine, rolling stone, like every tv show and has like mad movie offers

 

austin himself admitted all he really had was his own series from the makers of nash bridges....

 

the rock is way more popular fan wise, merchandise wise, and especially media wise,

 

so accept it and move on, cause this is making me so sick.....

1. One Bad Apple explained this one quite nicely, so moving along...

 

2. I'd say you're a brain-damaged fucktard, but that's just me.

 

3. They've been doing that since 99 because they are trained to. It's just like Austin leaving pauses in his interviews for the fans to chant "What?".

 

As far as Rock acting like a heel, he was getting booed out of some arenas. It wasn't Vince trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, It just ended up looking like that in the end with the Austin heel turn.

 

It's so funny watching marks call other people marks(tm TAFKA Smarky).

 

On the Scorpion King, it wouldn't be his second, it would be his first, but others have already beat me to that point.

 

Who cares about media appearances? Austin's done his share of TV shows, so it's a non-factor.

 

Austin's sold more merchandise, easily.

 

We don't need to "accept" anything because you are just a delusional, brain-damaged fanboy.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Man hurricane i can tell your going to have a LONG and illustrious career on this board. good, we needed a new whipping boy.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Ugh.

 

 

Where do they come from?

[Guest the_hurricane]

Austin's pops do not even come close, the only thing that gets the pops are WHAT? The rocky chants and the finally the rock has come back phrase totally kill any pop austin gets

 

And RVD gets bigger pops than both. How about that smart guy?

 

Does making a lot of movies and doing a lot of tv appearances make you better than someone else?

 

If we want to get on that topic, how many more t-shirts etc. has Austin sold then Rocky. I would bet about 1, or 2, or a million more.

 

Rocky can kill you with a catchphrase but Austin gets the fans to chant on his EVERY MOVE in the ring and out.

 

And before you post again would you please stop being so confrontational? It will get you nowhere around these parts.

 

Just go ahead and read my sig. It has the answer for you.

I wonder where ya get that crap that austin has sold more merchandise and t-shirts than rock, it is funny as hell cause that is way far from the truth.....Believe it or not first off, there hasn't even been a new rock shirt for awhile and if austin is selling more now, that is because the rock has been out forawhile and with HHH being a disappointing face, austin is the only one left to root for......

 

By the way, I believe like all the rock has to do is throw a simple punch and the building erupts, and if you look back at austin's matches the last couple weeks, while the fans say what, the matches have been otherwise quiet.... Again look at the spoliers sheet you fuckin bonehead...

 

and if you really believe that rvd gets louder pops than the both of them, you must be a 4-year old with a drinking problem to actually be convinced on that one........

[Guest the_hurricane]

1.  why isn;'t he fighting hogan

They want to start the nWo off with a bang, so why not put Rock against Hogan at WrestleMania? But think about it. If this is the match, then why are they throwing it out there with only one month of build, WrestleMania or not?

 

The reason is probably because they're going to start slowly building to the big payoff ... Austin and Hogan. Austin's fighting Hall because they want to build a ton of hype for when he finally takes on Hogan. If the WWF felt Rock was the bigger star, wrestling-wise, they would've put Austin against Hogan at WM.

 

By the way, I'm surprised no one's pointed this out anywhere yet. I thought it was pretty obvious.

that is complete and utter bs.....Yeah right, rock and hogan at the biggest pay per vbiew of the year is by far the biggest money maker. as HHH and jericho's match which was supposed to be the main event has been nearly silent cause that match will not have the impact that hogan and rock has.....H0llywood vs Hollywood.....Enough said.....They did it with only a month's time because simply the fact that rock has a huge promotional world tour soon and needed time off to rest from his 30 day non-stop schedule he had just had....That is why they did the vehicle thing with hogan ramming him, yes that is very true....If austin and hogan was the bigger money maker, that would be the headline amtch at the biggest payperview of the year. but it is not so live with it and move on....

[Guest the_hurricane]

all you people that keep saying austin is bigger than the rock make me sick when all ya know it is not true and it will never be true....I hate stone cold with a passion and would never compare to the greatness of the rock....if he is so much bigger

 

1.  why isn;'t he fighting hogan

 

2,  every single time that austin is getting his ass whipped they chant rock's name???

 

3.  why is it that rock does not even have to say a word and only pose and the building erupts for him and chant his name thousands of times?????

 

If you look at last year's wm,,,,the rock was acting like a heel and it was flooded everywhere that rock was turning heel at wm.....which was the plan to fool everyone like vince always likes to do.....so that the unthinkable can happen....

 

all you austin marks are stupid

 

the rock has his second multi-million dollar movie coming which ya'll know you will see

 

 

he was on time magazine, rolling stone, like every tv show and has like mad movie offers

 

austin himself admitted all he really had was his own series from the makers of nash bridges....

 

the rock is way more popular fan wise, merchandise wise, and especially media wise,

 

so accept it and move on, cause this is making me so sick.....

1. One Bad Apple explained this one quite nicely, so moving along...

 

2. I'd say you're a brain-damaged fucktard, but that's just me.

 

3. They've been doing that since 99 because they are trained to. It's just like Austin leaving pauses in his interviews for the fans to chant "What?".

 

As far as Rock acting like a heel, he was getting booed out of some arenas. It wasn't Vince trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, It just ended up looking like that in the end with the Austin heel turn.

 

It's so funny watching marks call other people marks(tm TAFKA Smarky).

 

On the Scorpion King, it wouldn't be his second, it would be his first, but others have already beat me to that point.

 

Who cares about media appearances? Austin's done his share of TV shows, so it's a non-factor.

 

Austin's sold more merchandise, easily.

 

We don't need to "accept" anything because you are just a delusional, brain-damaged fanboy.

Listen you stupid queer,,,,,Austin may sell more merchandise now simply because the rock hasn't had anything new and has been out....But especially in the rock's 2000 run, ausitn does not even come close to selling.  Why do you think everyone bought wwf the music 5????  To hear the Pie song, not austin stupid hellraiser or whatever that retarded song is....

 

And rock was acting like a heel last year in their feud big time because they were trying to make it look like rock was turning heel at mania so vince can fool people, that is what the wwf likes to do.....Look, Debra becomes his manager, rock says he doesn't care, no saying he is the people's champion, and flat out at one time almost diessed the people on one of them smackdown's I can't remember......

 

And by the way, rock only got booed in one arena and that was a houston texas because that is ausitn;s home., had they been in miami, allya know that ausitn would've been the one that gotten heavily booed......As a matter of fact that raw and smackdown before wrestlemania where rock stunnered austin, the rock got a huge pop!!!!!! I wonder how....Yeah I will admitt ausitn got cheered more than rock at some places but rock still got his fare share of cheers eventhough he was acting like a heel the whole time.......So get your head out of your dick and realize you stupid asshole.

[Guest the_hurricane]

Man hurricane i can tell your going to have a LONG and illustrious career on this board. good, we needed a new whipping boy.

whipping boy????  I can be so drunk and rugged up and you still couldn't whip me......You know that, and you cannot understand the fact that I am right about what I am saying, not so much that ausitn is not bigger than rock, but me saying the fact that you could get thrown in the river and be missing for weeks and like everyone else....Who in the fuck would care??  Not me....It is not my fault you went and said that you can suck the cremem out of a twinkie without biting off the head???  God you are sick....Get a life.....This one you currently have is not for you....

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Ugh.

 

 

Where do they come from?

 

They are the same people that cried tears of sorrow the day that Rob Johnson got released from the Bills.

 

And rock was acting like a heel last year in their feud big time because they were trying to make it look like rock was turning heel at mania so vince can fool people, that is what the wwf likes to do.....Look, Debra becomes his manager, rock says he doesn't care, no saying he is the people's champion, and flat out at one time almost diessed the people on one of them smackdown's I can't remember......

 

And only braindead shits like yourself couldn't see where they were going with it.

 

Again look at the spoliers sheet you fuckin bonehead...

 

We write the spoilers sheets.

 

-------------

 

Austin is so incredibly over right now that the fans chant his catchphrase during practically every interview, whenever Austin is stomping the mudhole in someone, whenever Kurt Angle even appears on the screen, and even during the Star Spangled Banner.

[Guest mastermind]

Well, I think I can cover this from a different perspective.

 

1. Austin isn't fighting Hogan because he REFUSED to. Another reason I think this match is happening because Mcmahon is replaying 1983/1984 all over again in his mind. Hogan whether people want to admit or not IS the most recognizable personality of all-time including Austin. I say this because his character had fit the epitome of the great guy who can back up his claims. Austin is a rival, but not ALL people take to his character. Hogan had the larger than life element.

 

Hogan had the big budget movie of Rocky 3 to help him get over. The Rock is soon coming out with his own big budget motion picture. Hogan is a lot more mainstream friendly than Austin. The Rock beating Hogan and then coming out with a movie will help further his career as the top banana than any match can. I even remember net pundits saying that Shawn Michaels was actually more media friendly than Austin during the WM 14 press conference. When the movie comes out Rock would most likely have a victory over the Muhammad Ali of wrestling. The wwf knows why they are having this match. It's not really to get the nWo over because that's a short term angle. This match has more repercussions than Austin/Hogan would. Austin/Hogan is for the here and now because it would be the 80's/90's match. Rock has already faced Austin. Rock/Hogan is as its being promoted as the past meeting wrestling present and future. Rock can then face Austin and the get the real passing of the torch.

 

Hogan/Austin will be big because they both carried the wwf for two different decades. Neither one is the future though. The Rock is more marketable than Austin. Don't kid yourselves with this. I like Austin more, but I see why Rock is more marketable and why the wwf is having this match first. If Austin beats Hogan in the first match back in the wwf it will take away from Rock/Hogan as he already lost to the man who beat Rock. Hogan still has his legacy he left in the wwf at the moment. His wcw stint is his wcw stint. I also think the two would match up better because of their styles as well. Rock's current role at Mania would also make the match more special as he has lost every damn main event he has been in for the event. Hogan never loses at Mania. There is intrigue. Austin winning over Hogan wouldn't be as shocking as he always wins at Mania as well. Anyways, that's what I think.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

"Austin isn't fighting Hogan because he REFUSED to. "

 

I never heard this.  Could you list a credible source?  I find it odd that he would refuse to work with Hogan, but agree to work with Hall.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I've never seen that he refused to work with Hogan either.

 

He has real heat with him...but I doubt he would turn down a match with Hogan and except one with Hall.

[Guest mastermind]

The source is Live Audio Wrestling (LAW). Insiders who once had Trish on their team before she got signed with the wwf.

[Guest mastermind]

They also have Dave Meltzer on their team at times.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

The Rock is bigger than Austin is right now, but Austin was bigger at the height of his popularity.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

The Rock may go down as the biggest crossover star ever.

 

That's fine.

 

But what he doesn't have that Hogan and Austin have is this:

 

He has never carried the company on his back...and raised it to a new level.

 

Hulkamania made the WWF...and Austin remade it whne they took out WCW from the ratings war.

 

Could the Rockdo that?  Maybe.

 

But he hasn't yet.

 

Even in 2000 when everyone was injured... all the storylines revolved around HHH...not the Rock.

[Guest converge241]

Guess we got a lot of "crakheds" here

to me the difference is negligible you have two huge stars and theyll both get their shots. Someone had to go first and the other one will be the bookend. There too many factors that we don't have hard evidence for to back up arguments for either (i.e. Rock's movie star status, Austin's merchandising sales). Ill be a crackhead and give my opinion that overall the bigger star is Austin, If I have to choose.

[Guest Y2DAYDAY]

ROCK is the much bigger star. He IS bigger than Austin. The fans are not into Austin as much as they are into his WHAT?! Catchphrase. WHAT is over, not necessarily Austin. Hear that non-pop Austin got at No Way Out? That is because he wasn't saying WHAT,WHAT,WHAT?! ROCK gets the biggest pops and when Austin was out, him and HHH did huge business. WHen AUstin came back, business actually went down because ROCK played a secondary role to Austin. And contrary to what Jeff Marek says, and who really listens since he is the dumbass that said Mania was going to be headlined by Austin vs HHH when Meltzer and ALvarez said there was a 0% percent chance of that happening, Austin didn't turn down a match vs HOgan. That was never the plan. ROCK VS HOGAN WAS ALWAYS THE PLAN.  At first, they had considered, like Marek said like it was a fact(when in reality it was just an idea) to go with Austin vs HHH, but both nixed it because Austin didn't want to be a transitional champ(read: Do another job for HHH without one in return) and HHH wanted Jericho in the spot, partly because he didn't wanted to share his face heat with Austin. Austin is a big star but ROCK will ALWAYS be the main event at Wrestlemania. Austin isn't, ROCK IS. Jericho is.HHH is. And Hogan is.  Austin is working a midcard match. Do you think they would put ROCK third from the top at a Wrestlemania?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Ugh...

 

That reply contains at least 4 of the DUMBEST THINGS I HAVE EVER SEEN ON THIS FORUM.

 

rather than reply to them individually...

 

I'm just going to say UGH...and let everyone draw their own conclusions.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

I think Austin is a bigger star than the Rock within the wrestling world, but the Rock is a bigger star overall in the entertainment industry, and at this point is probably the more well-known of the two in a mainstream sense. Also with respect to merchandise sales, you have to remember that people were buying millions of Austin 3:16 shirts before the Rock even had one out (since he was about a year behind Austin in terms of character development), so there's an obvious reason why Austin leads that category (and both have sold much more than Hogan, and I imagine nWo and DX are up there as well).

[Guest Ripper]

Well, I agree that Rock is bigger than Austin if you stop and look at their overall influence on entertainment(and I will try to explain alittle without being confrontational)

 

Rock has truely led wresling back into the main stream.  If you ask the average person (before mummy and Scorpion King) who they know from wrestling you would get the automatic Hulk Hogan response, maybe a Macho Man(he pimped quite a few slim jims) and the Rock.  Rock had the good looks, the smile and a clear cut difference between his on screen persona and his interviews to the public. They tried to push Austin but he was almost too demographically oreinted to get over in the mainstream.  he would have the support of the wrestling audience and southern states but was a little too "Rattlesnake" in his inteviews for everyone to attch to him.  Rock, has that universal charm that would work everywhere.  Something as simple as not having a accent and a plesent voice will do wonders for you public image.

 

While Austin has sold the most T-Shirts, lets be honest here.  The coolest lookin T-Shirts sale the most.  And if you look through the merchandicing history, the simplist sale the most. AUSTIN 3:16 and the NWO shirts are probably the biggest saling shirts ever and why?...look at the design.  There is no wrestler on the shirt, there are no silly catchphrases, just a black and white shirt(or red and white) with a couple of words.  They don't scream "WRESTLING MARK!!" to the rest of the world if they are seen in public.  The "WHAT!" shirts follow the same premise.  The Austin shirts that featured his face or his body or catchphrases did not sell half as well as the simple design ones.  The fact that the rock has merchandice that sells in the vicenity to the Austin stuff without having the easy money design speaks volume.  

 

Austin Hogan are not at mania because they think that Rock/Hogan would have been bigger.  Bottom line.  Rock has proven to be able to have unbeliveable numbers (This is your life Rock?) in and out of the wrestling boom whereas Austins big numbers are all in the boom.  Austins comebacks, HHH comebacks, hell, whoever has not been able to cause a spark like the one that Rock caused in summer.  He is the biggest draw/seller outside of the wreslting boom, bottom line.  

 

This is not to take away from Austin at all.  Without Austin, I doubt that the Rock would have made any impact.  They will both be remembered as 2 of the biggest draws in history...right up there with Hogan and Flair...but in wreslting today, if you are looking for the top guy, the search stops at the Rock.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I don't see how Rock vs. Hogan is bigger.

At all.

 

There is no history like there is with Austin and Hogan...and teh Rock has only been in the business for 6 years.

 

Making movies doesn't mean anything.  Piper made a ton of movies...RVD makes ninja movies...no one cares.

 

Rock has NEVER been the top guy.  The WWF has NEVER pushed him as the top guy...until they needed him to be for the storyline.  And now everyone buys it.

 

Let's take a look at the Rocks SHORT career.

 

Survivor Series 1996.  Debuts on ppv...gets immediate push as a face...soul survivor.

 

Wins IC belt.  Is the most hated man in wrestling...and is a face.

 

Turns heel.  Initially lukewarm response.

 

Finally breaks through as a heel (this is about a year+ into his career)

 

His interactive promos start to draw face pops (Breakdown 98)

 

Wins the WWF title and turns heel (Survivor Series 98)

 

At this point in time Austin is still the focal point of WWF storylines...and the #1 guy. (Rock has not yet carried the company/ball...in fact he trades the title several times with Mankind)

 

WrestleMania 15...Main Events...loses to Austin.

 

Spends rest of year fighting HHH, UnderTaker, Billy Gunn, British Bulldog (Still not #1 guy...never carried the ball)

 

2000 Wins Royal Rumble and assumes the #1 face spot in the company.

 

The problem is that WWF storylines all revolve around the McMahon Helmsly era.  HHH is the top star as the WWF takes a new direction with a heel on top.  (If anything Rock may share top guy spot...but HHH wins the war)

 

Wins WWF title at BAcklash...loses it next month.

 

Wins belt at KOTR in a screwy fashion..defends against Benoit (where he appears to lose...then decision reversed...) then defends against HHH and Angle (The HHH/Steph/Angle storyline is the #1 storyline, as HHH continues to be the top star)  Loses the belt at No Mercy.

 

The return of Steve Austin puts him back in the top spot...with HHH taking #2 as the man who told Rikishi to run him over.  (and his feud with champion Angle)  Rock is a distant 3rd.

 

Rock wins title from Angle at No Way Out...loses it one month later.

 

That was the epitome of a transitional champion.

 

After filming movie...Rock returns for Summerslam...and is given the WCW title.

 

Spends the next several months putting Jericho over...and has a small feud with TEST.

 

Gets into a scrape with Taker...which he avenges as THE LOWEST OF THE TRIPLE MAIN EVENT MATCHES at No Way Out.

 

The next night on Raw he is dubbed one of the two greatest ever.

 

At no time in his career has the Rock had the burden of carrying the WWF on his back (like Hogan in the 80's, Austin in 98, and Flair in the NWA)

 

At no time has Rock carried the ball for the WWF for an extended period of time.

 

One of the 2 biggest Icons?  

 

 

So here's my take:

 

Rock is a wildly popular wrestler.  That's it.

 

Will he end up being an Icon?  Probably.

 

Is he bigger than Austin right now?  No.

[Guest The Fett]

Both have legitimate reasons for headlining against Hogan. I really don't think you can go wrong either way.

 

Austin helped lead the WWF's rise to success, but Rock was integral as well.

 

Rock is a more recognizable name then Austin, though Austin is also well known.

 

Both are extremely popular. Neither is much more popular then the other. Both have had their times as the top face and heel of the company.

 

I think they just decided to go with Rock because he would generate more media attention.