Guest Ozymandias Report post Posted December 4, 2002 Wash your mouth. "Milk It," "Very Ape," and "tourette's" are throwaway tracks. The rest of the songs on side 2 are as good as anything on side 1, but that's a ratio of 6 great songs to 3. Side one gets the nod and the mid-album lull eliminates it from consideration for my list. Were I to expand, it would probably make the top 25. I'd put it above Nevermind for sure. Wash your mouth out with acid young man!!! "Milk It" was an excellent song, and "tourette's" is just so damn fun to listen to. "Very Ape" is filler, but still alright. 11 out of 12 ain't shabby. I mean at least it didn't contain "Octopusses Garden".... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted December 4, 2002 Wash your mouth. "Milk It," "Very Ape," and "tourette's" are throwaway tracks. The rest of the songs on side 2 are as good as anything on side 1, but that's a ratio of 6 great songs to 3. Side one gets the nod and the mid-album lull eliminates it from consideration for my list. Were I to expand, it would probably make the top 25. I'd put it above Nevermind for sure. Wash your mouth out with acid young man!!! "Milk It" was an excellent song, and "tourette's" is just so damn fun to listen to. "Very Ape" is filler, but still alright. 11 out of 12 ain't shabby. I mean at least it didn't contain "Octopusses Garden".... okay, now it's your turn to wash your mouth. don't speak ill of 'octopus's garden' again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kinetic Report post Posted December 4, 2002 The underwater harmony effect in "Octopus's Garden" is neat. Other than that, I can give or take the song. I usually skip it, truth be told. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JangoFett4Hire Report post Posted December 4, 2002 What? Servants is the PERFECT opening tract for that album, and the dum dum dumdum rhythm of "Apprentice" is fantastic. Did anyone see the kid who farted that to Dave Grohl on the Stern show? Classic. Incandenza - is that a college radio station or commercial?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JangoFett4Hire Report post Posted December 4, 2002 dude, how can you skip a Ringo song? I think both of his contributions to the Beatles catalogue are a lot of fun to listen to... Octopus' Garden being the better of the two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted December 4, 2002 I have to agree that "Serve the Servants" is a killer opener. The one track on that album I ALWAYS skip over is "Dumb." I have never liked it, and have always considered it a total throwaway track. The farting guy on Stern was frightening, disgusting, and entertaining as Hell all at the same time. The funny thing was Taylor Hawkins knew what the song was before Grohl did. "Octopus' Garden" is my favorite Ringo contribution to The BEatles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Incandenza Report post Posted December 4, 2002 Incandenza - is that a college radio station or commercial?? I assume you're referring to WOSP, a college radio station where I dj. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JangoFett4Hire Report post Posted December 4, 2002 Yeh, sorry Incandenza. Are you planning on a career in radio? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted December 4, 2002 dude, how can you skip a Ringo song? I think both of his contributions to the Beatles catalogue are a lot of fun to listen to... Octopus' Garden being the better of the two. i dig 'octopus's garden', but 'don't pass me by' is a pretty horrid piece of crap. i could never find a single redeeming thing in that song, and i always skip over it on the white album. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kinetic Report post Posted December 5, 2002 As long as we're bashing the Beatles, "Why Don't We Do It In The Road?" is at least as bad as "Don't Pass Me By." In fact, a lot of album 1, side 2 is kind of iffy. "Julia" redeems the entire thing, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ozymandias Report post Posted December 5, 2002 I know it's heresy, but The White Album REALLY should have been one disc. *dodges bricks* And are we all in agreement that Abbey Road is their best work? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kinetic Report post Posted December 5, 2002 I concur on Abbey Road. I'm in the mood for a long post, so let's go in-depth on The White Album... "Back In the U.S.S.R."--Good opening track, good song. Definitely a keeper. "Dear Prudence"--always a personal favorite of mine. If I were shortening this to a single album, though, I'd probably discard it. "Glass Onion"--kind of a goofy little novelty song with all the references to past Beatles favorites. Discard. "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da"--I like it. Good song, good single. Keep it. "Wild Honey Pie"--Nothing track. Discard. "The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill"--Eh...I like it well enough, but I'd definitely discard it in favor of keeping "Rocky Raccoon." "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"--Probably Harrison's best contribution to The Beatles. Definitely a keeper. "Happiness Is A Warm Gun"--Great, great song. One of my favorites. Keep it. "Martha My Dear"--Good enough. I'd keep it if time wasn't an issue. "I'm So Tired"--Again, another favorite of mine. Definitely a keeper. "Blackbird"--Fantastic. Timeless melody and one of McCartney's greatest achievements. Keep it. "Piggies"--The definition of a throwaway track. Discard it and spare the life of Sharon Tate. "Rocky Raccoon"--Good song. Keep it. "Don't Pass Me By"--Not particularly good. I don't hate it, but I could live without it. Discard. "Why Don't We Do It In The Road?"--Filler. Discard. "I Will"--Derivative filler. Discard. "Julia"--Wonderful song. Guitar part later reused by Lennon on "Look At Me." Keep it. That's 8 songs from the first album, so this is shaping up to fit. "Birthday"--No. This would make a good fan club only single or a b-side. Discard. "Yer Blues"--All right, I like this one. Time permitting, I'd include it. Keep it. "Mother Nature's Son"--Definitely a keeper. Wonderfully pretty song. "Everybody's Got Something To Hide..."--I could give or take this song. Probably a keeper, just for the rock edge. "Sexy Sadie"--Fucking fantastic song. Keep it. "Helter Skelter"--Keep this one, too. Fuck Sharon Tate. "Long, Long, Long"--Good stuff. Keep it. "Revolution 1"--Yeah, I'd keep this. Not as good as the single version, though. "Honey Pie"--Destroy this and bury it in Paul McCartney's back yard along with "When I'm 64." "Savoy Truffle"--Pleasent filler. Discard. "Cry Baby Cry"--I could not, in good conscience, eliminate this song. I love it. Keep. "Revolution 9"--No. Eliminate. "Good Night"--Eh, no. Decent closer, but I could live without it. That's 8 more. 16 songs would fit on a CD, but I'm not too sure you could get them on a single vinyl record. So while it's true in theory that The White Album would have benefitted from being a single album, would you really want to erase from major Beatles history any of those 16 songs I included? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Report post Posted December 5, 2002 I know it's heresy, but The White Album REALLY should have been one disc. *dodges bricks* And are we all in agreement that Abbey Road is their best work? I actually love the sprawl of the album. I love that it's so weird and disjointed. That might sound like explaining away the flaws, but the fact that it's so sprawling and out there and varied makes even the low points like "Don't Pass Me By" charming in their own weird way. Somehow they pull it off. I think that if you streamlined it down to one, it'd be less memorable. Granted, you could easily cut 15 minutes, but man, I'd hate to really see anything go. And yes, Abbey Road rules the school. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ozymandias Report post Posted December 5, 2002 Fuck no, they should've released them as an outtakes album. The Brown Album anyone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted December 5, 2002 you can't judge any beatles album from 'rubber soul' on simply on a track-by-track basis, cause they all work as cohesive wholes in which the different tracks depend on each other for overall effect. the white album's sprawl and diversity are what make it one of the greatest albums ever. 'savoy truffle' may in itself be a throwaway song, but having it sandwiched between 2 songs that sound COMPLETELY different elevates its status, and increases the scope of the album. even though 'don't pass me by' is one of the worst songs they ever recorded, i'd still want it to be on the album cause it fills a special place on the album. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kinetic Report post Posted December 5, 2002 But you can say that having heard and grown accustomed to the album as it is. My point in doing that was to attempt to get the album down to the length of a single album without sacrificing the best songs. Its length has always been the one negating factor for that album and is a large part of why Revolver, Abbey Road and Sgt. Pepper... are always chosen above it when lists of favorite Beatles albums are made. Were they to have cut a lot of the filler out, they'd have made a more cohesive (and probably their best) album. Then again, they would have sacrificed the variety and ridiculous length that have made it a unique entry into rock's canon. I'm just trying to look at both sides of the coin, so to speak. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted December 5, 2002 As long as we're bashing the Beatles, "Why Don't We Do It In The Road?" is at least as bad as "Don't Pass Me By." In fact, a lot of album 1, side 2 is kind of iffy. "Julia" redeems the entire thing, though. you are fucking sick!!!! the first disc outshines most of the music of the last 40 years much less anything of the era. 'i'm so tired is what i consider to be the perfect pop song and it is a shame they never relased it as a single. followed by 'blackbird' which has an arrangement that 'the long and winding road' should have sounded like. there you go, the greatest 1-2 punch in rock history... possibly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted December 5, 2002 As long as we're bashing the Beatles, "Why Don't We Do It In The Road?" is at least as bad as "Don't Pass Me By." In fact, a lot of album 1, side 2 is kind of iffy. "Julia" redeems the entire thing, though. you are fucking sick!!!! the first disc outshines most of the music of the last 40 years much less anything of the era. 'i'm so tired is what i consider to be the perfect pop song and it is a shame they never relased it as a single. followed by 'blackbird' which has an arrangement that 'the long and winding road' should have sounded like. there you go, the greatest 1-2 punch in rock history... possibly. the greatest one-two punch in rock history i can think of was 'carry that weight' into 'the end'. if you include 'golden slumbers', it's the greatest one-two-three punch in rock history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted December 5, 2002 but alone, those tracks don't ..ahem.. carry their weight. those songs must be played back to back! 'i'm so tired' and 'blackbird' could easily have replaced nearly any single the beatles ever released and been radio staples that we know and love. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Man in Blak Report post Posted December 5, 2002 So...where's Revolver at? And, while I'm on the Beatles, for some reason, keeping Rocky Raccoon but trashing Bungalow Bill doesn't seem fair at all. They're both goofy (and grating) storybook songs...so I'd say trash 'em both and keep Glass Onion. But that's just me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted December 5, 2002 So...where's Revolver at? And, while I'm on the Beatles, for some reason, keeping Rocky Raccoon but trashing Bungalow Bill doesn't seem fair at all. They're both goofy (and grating) storybook songs...so I'd say trash 'em both and keep Glass Onion. But that's just me. eh, i always thought of 'glass onion' as a pretty useless throwaway. rocky raccoon is great for comedy & singalong value, glass onion is just...there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted December 5, 2002 glass onion is great for no other reason than it is an ode to their former songs and even gives a nod to the beatle smarks who were deciphering album covers and lyrics for hidden meanings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted December 5, 2002 glass onion is great for no other reason than it is an ode to their former songs and even gives a nod to the beatle smarks who were deciphering album covers and lyrics for hidden meanings. it's more making fun of them than giving a nod to them. i read somewhere that the idea was to compare the people who overanalyzed his lyrics to examining a glass onion: they get deeper & deeper and peel back the different layers, but what they come up with is exactly the same as what you saw in the first place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Man in Blak Report post Posted December 6, 2002 Which, in itself, is a pretty clever idea. That, and the song has a nice dirty sound to it, which adds yet another rock sound to the whole post-modern sampling that's going on throughout the entire album. "Rocky Raccoon", on the other hand, is up there with "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" and the other twenty gag-inducing cartoon songs that McCartney did over his tenure with the Beatles. "Bungalow Bill" is just as singable as Rocky (hell, even Yoko pipes in at one point) - why not trash 'em both? Oh, and "Milk It" is a kick-ass song. You can make a case for "Very Ape" and "tourette's" being throwaways, but "Milk It" has a lot more going for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted December 6, 2002 rocky raccoon rules! i'll leave it at that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Man in Blak Report post Posted December 6, 2002 All in all, the White Album's kind of a like a poorly stacked tower of Jenga blocks. You try and remove one track, and the stack just trembles and crumbles to the ground. It's such a hodgepodge collection that everything seems to fit, even though everything is so strangely different. But you won't hear me claiming that Rocky Raccoon is one of the top fifteen tracks off of the White Album...no, sir. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
