Paul Heyman on OTR

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

I was referring to interviews. Not promos, but actual media interviews.

 

I love heel Rock, and agree a turn is in order but if he's gonna be booed as a face for doing what he's told, fuck the fans. So he makes movies. Big fucking deal. If fans are gonna whine everytime someone reaches a level of success greater than wrasslin', fuck. them.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

When Rocks' first movie bombs he will come back to the WWF with a perfect angle to turn on the fans with "You didn't come see my movie...blah blah blah".

 

So what are the odds that the WWF botches the Rocks return? I mean, they don't really have to do anything - it's a total cruise control angle - all they have to do is put Rock out there - let the fans cheer for a week, and then have Rock cutting the patronizing, condescending promos that Heyman spoke of. No chair shot necessary.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

And Jesus Christ does Chris Jericho owe his career to Chris Benoit or what?!

And Ultimo Dragon, apparently.

 

The interview sounds pretty hilarious, by the way. Paul seems to have lost his touch for lying through his teeth, it would seem. Oh well, that's why he's got Scherer, I suppose.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

After seeing it I can easily say that Heyman was a fuckin pussy in the interview, albeit a very smart pussy. Totally dodging the HHH/Steph issue and not really answering any of Landsbergs big questions.

 

Agreed, Rudo.

 

" Because I took his job and did it better then him" DOES = line of the year.

 

Oh, and the "Abso-fuckin-loutely absurd bullshit line of the night" goes to when Heyman said "If business is going well Vince should get all the credit. If business isn't going well, Vince takes it all on the chin and takes the blame."

 

Thanks for the laughs Paul.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

When is Rock supposed to return?

[Guest NoCalMike]

As much as I would have loved for Heyman to just come out and express HATRED for Triple H, Steph and Bischoff, it is just totally unprofessional to do that while still working in the same company, especially if you are a writer for a show in the company.

[Guest bob_barron]

He pretty much did say he hated Bischoff but now that they work for the she same company and both got humbled by Vince there's not much hostility.

 

Plus they're on seperate rosters

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Man, us Smarks are never happy. Here we have a main eventer (The Rock) who has NO PROBLEMS putting anyone over, has never been accused of playing politics, can work, and doesn't make the business look like a big joke. But because he's handed the strap after taking time off to make a movie once (I don't count Backlash 2k because he was pretty much a lock for the title at WM and we all know what happened there), he should be booed?

 

Outfuckingrageous. Just...wow. I'd understand if he was taking up most segments in every show, holding the younger talent down, carrying around a title despite not deserving it, and working terrible matches but he isn't. His last title reign was purely a device to put Lesnar over the top. It worked for the most part.

 

Mini-Rant over.

Yes it's the FANS fault for booing Rock.

 

 

Guess what? The CUSTOMER is always right.

 

 

They should be responding to OUR wants. We shouldn't have to choose who to boo and who to cheer because one guy is willing to job to Al Snow.

 

They SHOULD have given the title Angle at Vengeance, have Paul screw Brock out of the title clause and join Angle, job Rock to Brock at SummerSlam, and have Angle duck Lesnar till No Mercy.

[Guest bob_barron]

I think they didnt do that cause they had pegged Angle v. Brock for WM.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I think they didnt do that cause they had pegged Angle v. Brock for WM.

In this scenario the WrestleMania main event is Austin/Lesnar

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

The Rock is on Confidential this Saturday Night. That would be perfect time to start the Heel turn. Have him act like a Arrogant Hollywood Prick and have him Bash ALL the fans for them turning on him at SummerSlam. Then, keep playing it during Raw & Smackdown so fans will see it.

[Guest humongous2002]

Heyman said RVD hasn't become a big star because his strengths have not become apparent to WWE. Heyman said in ECW he could hide weaknesses and lead them by the hand and a guy that was good looked great.

 

If Heyman had RVD he would accentuate his matches more then anyone else and make him look like a tough son of a bitch. Heyman said his passion comes out with the ring.

 

Heyman didn't know who was a big dissapointment but Booker T and RVD are the most underrated.

 

Commercial break

Hopefully RVD gets traded to Smackdown, the sooner the better and let HGH feud with Booker on his show.

[Guest humongous2002]

The Rock is on Confidential this Saturday Night. That would be perfect time to start the Heel turn. Have him act like a Arrogant Hollywood Prick and have him Bash ALL the fans for them turning on him at SummerSlam. Then, keep playing it during Raw & Smackdown so fans will see it.

Why do that on a show that nobody watches?

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

Read the last Sentence

[Guest AndrewTS]

 

Heyman said RVD hasn't become a big star because his strengths have not become apparent to WWE. Heyman said in ECW he could hide weaknesses and lead them by the hand and a guy that was good looked great.

 

If Heyman had RVD he would accentuate his matches more then anyone else and make  him look like a tough son of a bitch. Heyman said his passion comes out with the ring.

 

Heyman didn't know who was a big dissapointment but Booker T and RVD are the most underrated.

 

Commercial break

Hopefully RVD gets traded to Smackdown, the sooner the better and let HGH feud with Booker on his show.

Yeah, being HHH's and Batista's bitch was getting boring. Let's job him to some hosses next.

[Guest bob_barron]

Just a note- I think TSN's site has the interview up in case you want to watch

[Guest AndrewTS]

Read the last Sentence

"Raw and Smackdown"

 

And...your point?

 

Seriously, though, there's enough filler crap on those shows as it is. They shouldn't be constantly replaying it unless they can make it quick.

[Guest Brian]

I think they didnt do that cause they had pegged Angle v. Brock for WM.

In this scenario the WrestleMania main event is Austin/Lesnar

They would have to bring back Austin for that, and at the time, that wasn't an option for Vince. Why waste Brock/Angle?

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Man, us Smarks are never happy. Here we have a main eventer (The Rock) who has NO PROBLEMS putting anyone over, has never been accused of playing politics, can work, and doesn't make the business look like a big joke. But because he's handed the strap after taking time off to make a movie once (I don't count Backlash 2k because he was pretty much a lock for the title at WM and we all know what happened there), he should be booed?

 

Outfuckingrageous. Just...wow. I'd understand if he was taking up most segments in every show, holding the younger talent down, carrying around a title despite not deserving it, and working terrible matches but he isn't. His last title reign was purely a device to put Lesnar over the top. It worked for the most part.

 

Mini-Rant over.

Yes it's the FANS fault for booing Rock.

 

 

Guess what? The CUSTOMER is always right.

 

 

They should be responding to OUR wants. We shouldn't have to choose who to boo and who to cheer because one guy is willing to job to Al Snow.

 

They SHOULD have given the title Angle at Vengeance, have Paul screw Brock out of the title clause and join Angle, job Rock to Brock at SummerSlam, and have Angle duck Lesnar till No Mercy.

Sounds more like what YOU want. The fans at the time...hell, I don't even remember what the 'fans' at the time wanted. RVD perhaps?

 

I agree with your comment, but when smarks complain about worker who meets alot of their demands in terms of being a Smark Darling (with the exception of being heldown, that's essential) and act as if he's calling the shots, well, it's just plain stupid. Rock's never shown any sort of political maneuvering, so why blame him? This ain't HHH we're talking about here, where we get reports of his politicing.

 

Here I'll make it easier for you:

 

I AGREE that Rock was being less than entertaining at the time, but was still solid in the ring.

 

I AGREE that he's in desperate need of a heel turn. I want heel Rocky back.

 

I AGREE that he shouldn't have gotten the title when he came back, but who else was gonna put Brock over for the title in a meaningful way? Why make Angle a transitional champ when you can have Rock actually draw with Brock? And I really don't want the WWE folder here cluttered with 'Angle is getting screwed~!' topics from the usual suspects.

 

I AGREE that the WWE 'should be responding to OUR wants'.

 

I'm just saying the reasons for all the Rock-hating are pretty fucking petty.

[Guest jester]

I think a Rock heel turn is exactly what he needs. But they should totally changed his character. New entrance music, new name "Hollywood Duane Johnson." This way, it is loud and clear that he's changed.

 

I don't think they will do anything of this though. They probably will keep him face as long as he is doing movies, because they'll think people won't want to go see him in a movie when he's supposed to be a heel.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Well, that route is gonna lead straight into heeldom. So why not go all the way?

[Guest jester]

Well, that route is gonna lead straight into heeldom. So why not go all the way?

Believe me, I think they should. I just don't think they will.

 

They seem to believe that they can control who we like and we don't like. To some extent that's true, but there comes a time in a wrestler's career where the fans react a certain way and all the pushing to the contary won't work. Right now Flair is a heel, but the crowd still loves him and chants "Woooo" during every chop. Right now there is a lot of anti-Rock sentiment, but instead of riding with it and turning him heel, they'll probably try to "fix" it instead.

[Guest The Electrifyer]

Yay.... they do replay OTR the next day at noon! Good thing I taped it, I'm watching it now.

[Guest creativename]

Didn't see anybody post a link yet, so I'll post it:

 

http://www.tsn.ca/wrestling/

 

You have to register, but you don't have to give any real information if you don't want to, there's no e-mail confirmation needed. It only takes about 30 seconds to register, then the clip starts.

 

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[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Man, us Smarks are never happy. Here we have a main eventer (The Rock) who has NO PROBLEMS putting anyone over, has never been accused of playing politics, can work, and doesn't make the business look like a big joke. But because he's handed the strap after taking time off to make a movie once (I don't count Backlash 2k because he was pretty much a lock for the title at WM and we all know what happened there), he should be booed?

 

Outfuckingrageous. Just...wow. I'd understand if he was taking up most segments in every show, holding the younger talent down, carrying around a title despite not deserving it, and working terrible matches but he isn't. His last title reign was purely a device to put Lesnar over the top. It worked for the most part.

 

Mini-Rant over.

Yes it's the FANS fault for booing Rock.

 

 

Guess what? The CUSTOMER is always right.

 

 

They should be responding to OUR wants. We shouldn't have to choose who to boo and who to cheer because one guy is willing to job to Al Snow.

 

They SHOULD have given the title Angle at Vengeance, have Paul screw Brock out of the title clause and join Angle, job Rock to Brock at SummerSlam, and have Angle duck Lesnar till No Mercy.

Sounds more like what YOU want. The fans at the time...hell, I don't even remember what the 'fans' at the time wanted. RVD perhaps?

 

I agree with your comment, but when smarks complain about worker who meets alot of their demands in terms of being a Smark Darling (with the exception of being heldown, that's essential) and act as if he's calling the shots, well, it's just plain stupid. Rock's never shown any sort of political maneuvering, so why blame him? This ain't HHH we're talking about here, where we get reports of his politicing.

 

Here I'll make it easier for you:

 

I AGREE that Rock was being less than entertaining at the time, but was still solid in the ring.

 

I AGREE that he's in desperate need of a heel turn. I want heel Rocky back.

 

I AGREE that he shouldn't have gotten the title when he came back, but who else was gonna put Brock over for the title in a meaningful way? Why make Angle a transitional champ when you can have Rock actually draw with Brock? And I really don't want the WWE folder here cluttered with 'Angle is getting screwed~!' topics from the usual suspects.

 

I AGREE that the WWE 'should be responding to OUR wants'.

 

I'm just saying the reasons for all the Rock-hating are pretty fucking petty.

Actually it's not just what I want, every fan at SummerSlam wanted it too.

 

 

Rock is slipping in the ring, his move-set is, to quote another poster "the most business-exposing" since Hulk Hogan. He is no longer a short term draw, his cameos arn't helping the WWE, and I'm sure Vince would much rather see him working where he belongs, than doing B-Movies.

 

 

I'm wasting my breath though, Rocky is one bomb away from full-time WWE.

[Guest EricMM]

How is the Peoples Elbow any more business exposing than a fucking irish whip.

 

I mean seriously. Its one thing to taunt your downed opponent with a flagrant panache elbow, it's another thing to run where your opponent tosses you, bounce off some ropes, and run back towards him helplessly, ditto into the turnbuckle.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

As much as I would have loved for Heyman to just come out and express HATRED for Triple H, Steph and Bischoff, it is just totally unprofessional to do that while still working in the same company, especially if you are a writer for a show in the company.

Let the Heyman appoligists rejoice.

 

What makes you think he "hates" any of them? Heyman has just as many ties with the MchMahons as anyone working for the company, and seeing as Bischoff was never at odds with Heyman directly, he has no grudges to hold against him either.