Random News from the Torch

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"There are rumors circulating that the WWE plans to cut some low-card talent, including Justin Credible, Raven, Shannon Moore and Johnny Stamboli.

 

Nathan Jones already has some heat on him for not introducing himself to the wrestlers backstage. He is also considered to be a "headcase"."

 

 

On Jones: He put Jeff Jarrett in the hospital for 2 hours after the WWA ppv by...let me try to say this kindly...BLOWING A FUCKING ELBOW. Jarrett sn't sloppy and people don't get injured when he's in the ring...but this big idiot doesn't know how to do ANYTHING. Thanks JR!...or as Meltzer said "Good luck to the Raw crew".

 

 

On the others: Releasing Shannon Moore without a chance of him getting over...sounds about right. Come to the X division Shannon.

 

Raven speaks out against the Office...so that's no surprise.

 

Credible is a whiny bitch.

 

I don't care about Stamboli.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Shannon Moore is just bland...no one gets over on wrestling alone, so he needs something fast.

 

They only took Justin as a favor to Paul E...I like Justin though.

 

Raven got buried.

 

Stamboli is nothing special.

 

And Nathan Jones sucks...just another big guy to Vince though

[Guest bob_barron]

Credible got signed before Heyman became a colour man though

[Guest razazteca]

make Nathan Jones a SNOW impersonator rapper, and put him on Smackdown so they can complete the bastardization of the House of Pain.

 

Stromboli.......Forget about him or bring in Big Vito to tag with him

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Ok...I made that up then...

 

He's the last rung on the Kliq ladder...what I meant was he's only had his job so long cause Paul E like him

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

Shannon Moore is just bland...no one gets over on wrestling alone, so he needs something fast

They had something for him until they decided to move Helms to Raw to be hoss fodder.

 

Stick Moore w/ Mattitude to be an MF'er. They can re-create the Eddy/Chavo "cheat to win" dynamic, or pair them up for the SD tag division. Geez, it's not hard to figure this stuff out ::looks @ WWE writers::

 

Credible, Stamboli, & Raven - who's going to wrestle in Heat.

[Paul Stanley]

Shannon as an MF'er = good tv

 

But..Vince KNOWS what we want, we don't want that.

 

We want Albert!

[Guest DJ Jeff]

Kinda dumb to cut Raven, considering they had the option of sticking him on RAW. Moore they could have teamed with Matt, and they could have won the Tag Team Titles. I could care less about Credible or Stamboli.

[Guest El Satanico]

Just face it unless he's an announcer Raven is basically useless to WWE. Since he said he didn't want to be an announcer WWE really has no reason to keep him.

 

What the hell is with these children who pout when a new guy doesn't introduce himself to them.

[Paul Stanley]

El Satanico didn't shake my hand on this thread..

 

He's going on Velocity.

[Guest El Satanico]

:falls to my knees:

 

nooo my master please don't send me to Velocity...I'm so sorry i didn't see you standing there please have mercy on me...what can i do to make up for this

[Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

Raven and Moore getting cut = more time for ALBERT and Heat time for HHH. YEAH!!!

[Guest SP-1]

If Trips shows up on Heat I'm going to become an active enemy to the Raw brand as a whole. RVD, Jericho, Booker - they will mean nothing to me anymore. Raw can die in flames if it's retardation infects a B show that has actual wrestling on it like Heat.

[Guest EricMM]

HeAT >>> RAW. Anyone who doesn't realize this hasn't seen HeAT. Heat has 10 min+ matches. Raw does not.

 

Moore should not be fired. He has done nothing cut-worthy. The WWE cut his legs out from under him, and wrestlers like Nash have done FAAAR worse things than Moore (and gotten paid much more)

[Guest Repo Man jr]

I hope Justin Credible, Raven, Shannon Moore and Johnny Stamboli don't subscribe to the Torch! That would really ruin their day if they ran down stairs yelling "It's here, it's here, it's... Doh! I'm getting cut? Aww man, what a jip".

[Guest Raven_Effect01]

I'd really hate for Raven to get cut because he might be considering retirement if he does, but hopefully I'm wrong and he tries to end the last few years of his career in a good way if he goes to NWA-TNA and if they use him well.

[Guest notJames]

Been there, done that...

 

[Guest Human Fly]

Raven can be used properly other places so it might be better for him. The less money will suck, and they will probably hit him with a 90 day clause, which will also suck.

 

What a waste. I don't understand why they've tried nothing with him.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

they really are only cutting raven because he spoke out against management. Unfuckingbelievable. He's the only person with any sort of decent storyline in the WHOLE PROMOTION. And it makes up most of one of their shows. Are they just going to drop everything?

[B. Brian Brunzell]

Of course they'll cut Raven loose while he is the only guy with a good story. It's the fucking WWF, what else would you expect?

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Well, my outlook on this is different than a lot of others. At least when it comes to Shannon Moore. I don't think that Shannon Moore should've ever been hired to begin with. He brings nothing to the table except blown spots. They already have that with Jeff Hardy. It's not like the WWE plans to put him into the Cruiserweight division. It's not like anyone would think that Moore was a contender to the title if they did.

 

Well, most people know how I feel about Raven. All he has done in the WWE is change his look and his finisher name. If he gets let go, he'll probably call it a career. Well, it was a good run in my books.

 

Justin Credible has zero offense left in the WWE. Every time he tries to settle on a finisher, it gets banned or restricted to another wrestler. I liked his ECW title run in ECW. I wouldn't mind him showing up in NWA. They need something.

 

Johnny Stamboli never really brought anything to the table. He has a look to him, however it's a "mid-carder for life" look. He would be better off in NWA as well. He could actually get over in NWA though.

 

If the WWE does get rid of Credible, Stamboli & Raven are they just going to not show Heat anymore? Does anyone know when the MTV contract is up? They should've never went to fucking MTV to begin with.

[Guest nikowwf]

Cutting dead weight is ok. Raven is anything but dead weight.

 

He is such a valuable resource - think about it. Raven can take a bunch of lower card people, get 2 minutes only to talk, and he probably could still turn it into something entertaining to hold up the bottom of the card.

 

niko

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Cutting dead weight is ok. Raven is anything but dead weight.

 

He is such a valuable resource - think about it. Raven can take a bunch of lower card people, get 2 minutes only to talk, and he probably could still turn it into something entertaining to hold up the bottom of the card.

 

niko

Plus, he can talk. So he would never have to worry about not being able to do something for the company. Even if he retired from in-ring like Tazz did. He's better than Tazz at annoucing, or at least I thought he was. He used to announce Heat, and was a helluva lot better than Lita, D'Lo & Coach. He was also the third man on commentarty on RAW a few times. I liked his work.

[Guest buffybeast]

How is it that some of these guys had decent and/or entertaining gimmicks in other companies but when they get to WWE the company doesn't have anything for them or know what to do with them?

[Guest EricMM]

The WWE is unwilling for the most part to let people get over on gimmicks perfected in other feds. The dudz are the glaring exception, (and lets not forget the stuttering thing) but WWE is alll about the home grown talent.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

and lets not forget the stuttering thing

Yes. It sucked in ECW, and for some reason the WWE thought that it wouldn't suck there. They were, of course, wrong.

[Guest EricMM]

Oh my bad, I thought Bubba said on Byte This that Vince thought up the stuttering idea.

 

My mistake.

[Guest Vyce]

If Raven does get cut, I SO hope he winds up in NWA.

 

His Heat segments lately have been golden. He gets a couple minutes to talk, and only wrestles or does the skits with jobbers, but I swear it's more entertaining than at least half of the shit on RAW.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

...Raven's segments on Heat lately have been awful.

 

The angle is a retarded rip-off of Se7en, and he can't wrestle to back up the silly vignettes anymore. He's out of shape and very, very sloppy--the DDT doesn't even look good anymore.

 

He's another guy I've wanted to like since he came to the WWF, but I've never seen him wrestle ONE good match. By good, I mean something I'd like to watch again. I know that he hasn't gotten chances, but that doesn't mean they're going to give him a chance any time soon. The best he's going to do is commentating, which he's frickin' good at, but I don't see that happening again.

 

I like Johnny the Bull in WCW, but he doesn't do anything here that distinguishes him from anybody else. Same goes for Moore, though Helms was definitely the shining talent amongst 3-Count.

 

Credible is the lamest wrestler I've ever seen, so I'd love to see him go.

[Guest buffybeast]

The angle is a retarded rip-off of Se7en, and he can't wrestle to back up the silly vignettes anymore. He's out of shape and very, very sloppy--the DDT doesn't even look good anymore.

Raven is out of shape? I'll give you that sometimes he can be sloppy. But I wouldn't say he's out of shape or untalented.

 

I think he's given up.