Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted December 12, 2002 "There are rumors circulating that the WWE plans to cut some low-card talent, including Justin Credible, Raven, Shannon Moore and Johnny Stamboli. Nathan Jones already has some heat on him for not introducing himself to the wrestlers backstage. He is also considered to be a "headcase"." On Jones: He put Jeff Jarrett in the hospital for 2 hours after the WWA ppv by...let me try to say this kindly...BLOWING A FUCKING ELBOW. Jarrett sn't sloppy and people don't get injured when he's in the ring...but this big idiot doesn't know how to do ANYTHING. Thanks JR!...or as Meltzer said "Good luck to the Raw crew". On the others: Releasing Shannon Moore without a chance of him getting over...sounds about right. Come to the X division Shannon. Raven speaks out against the Office...so that's no surprise. Credible is a whiny bitch. I don't care about Stamboli. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted December 12, 2002 Shannon Moore is just bland...no one gets over on wrestling alone, so he needs something fast. They only took Justin as a favor to Paul E...I like Justin though. Raven got buried. Stamboli is nothing special. And Nathan Jones sucks...just another big guy to Vince though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted December 12, 2002 Credible got signed before Heyman became a colour man though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted December 12, 2002 make Nathan Jones a SNOW impersonator rapper, and put him on Smackdown so they can complete the bastardization of the House of Pain. Stromboli.......Forget about him or bring in Big Vito to tag with him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted December 12, 2002 Ok...I made that up then... He's the last rung on the Kliq ladder...what I meant was he's only had his job so long cause Paul E like him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted December 12, 2002 Shannon Moore is just bland...no one gets over on wrestling alone, so he needs something fast They had something for him until they decided to move Helms to Raw to be hoss fodder. Stick Moore w/ Mattitude to be an MF'er. They can re-create the Eddy/Chavo "cheat to win" dynamic, or pair them up for the SD tag division. Geez, it's not hard to figure this stuff out ::looks @ WWE writers:: Credible, Stamboli, & Raven - who's going to wrestle in Heat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Stanley 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2002 Shannon as an MF'er = good tv But..Vince KNOWS what we want, we don't want that. We want Albert! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DJ Jeff Report post Posted December 12, 2002 Kinda dumb to cut Raven, considering they had the option of sticking him on RAW. Moore they could have teamed with Matt, and they could have won the Tag Team Titles. I could care less about Credible or Stamboli. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted December 12, 2002 Just face it unless he's an announcer Raven is basically useless to WWE. Since he said he didn't want to be an announcer WWE really has no reason to keep him. What the hell is with these children who pout when a new guy doesn't introduce himself to them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Stanley 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2002 El Satanico didn't shake my hand on this thread.. He's going on Velocity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted December 12, 2002 :falls to my knees: nooo my master please don't send me to Velocity...I'm so sorry i didn't see you standing there please have mercy on me...what can i do to make up for this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins Report post Posted December 12, 2002 Raven and Moore getting cut = more time for ALBERT and Heat time for HHH. YEAH!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted December 12, 2002 If Trips shows up on Heat I'm going to become an active enemy to the Raw brand as a whole. RVD, Jericho, Booker - they will mean nothing to me anymore. Raw can die in flames if it's retardation infects a B show that has actual wrestling on it like Heat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EricMM Report post Posted December 12, 2002 HeAT >>> RAW. Anyone who doesn't realize this hasn't seen HeAT. Heat has 10 min+ matches. Raw does not. Moore should not be fired. He has done nothing cut-worthy. The WWE cut his legs out from under him, and wrestlers like Nash have done FAAAR worse things than Moore (and gotten paid much more) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Repo Man jr Report post Posted December 12, 2002 I hope Justin Credible, Raven, Shannon Moore and Johnny Stamboli don't subscribe to the Torch! That would really ruin their day if they ran down stairs yelling "It's here, it's here, it's... Doh! I'm getting cut? Aww man, what a jip". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Raven_Effect01 Report post Posted December 12, 2002 I'd really hate for Raven to get cut because he might be considering retirement if he does, but hopefully I'm wrong and he tries to end the last few years of his career in a good way if he goes to NWA-TNA and if they use him well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest notJames Report post Posted December 12, 2002 Been there, done that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted December 12, 2002 Raven can be used properly other places so it might be better for him. The less money will suck, and they will probably hit him with a 90 day clause, which will also suck. What a waste. I don't understand why they've tried nothing with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted December 12, 2002 they really are only cutting raven because he spoke out against management. Unfuckingbelievable. He's the only person with any sort of decent storyline in the WHOLE PROMOTION. And it makes up most of one of their shows. Are they just going to drop everything? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2002 Of course they'll cut Raven loose while he is the only guy with a good story. It's the fucking WWF, what else would you expect? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cataclysm911 Report post Posted December 12, 2002 Well, my outlook on this is different than a lot of others. At least when it comes to Shannon Moore. I don't think that Shannon Moore should've ever been hired to begin with. He brings nothing to the table except blown spots. They already have that with Jeff Hardy. It's not like the WWE plans to put him into the Cruiserweight division. It's not like anyone would think that Moore was a contender to the title if they did. Well, most people know how I feel about Raven. All he has done in the WWE is change his look and his finisher name. If he gets let go, he'll probably call it a career. Well, it was a good run in my books. Justin Credible has zero offense left in the WWE. Every time he tries to settle on a finisher, it gets banned or restricted to another wrestler. I liked his ECW title run in ECW. I wouldn't mind him showing up in NWA. They need something. Johnny Stamboli never really brought anything to the table. He has a look to him, however it's a "mid-carder for life" look. He would be better off in NWA as well. He could actually get over in NWA though. If the WWE does get rid of Credible, Stamboli & Raven are they just going to not show Heat anymore? Does anyone know when the MTV contract is up? They should've never went to fucking MTV to begin with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nikowwf Report post Posted December 12, 2002 Cutting dead weight is ok. Raven is anything but dead weight. He is such a valuable resource - think about it. Raven can take a bunch of lower card people, get 2 minutes only to talk, and he probably could still turn it into something entertaining to hold up the bottom of the card. niko Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cataclysm911 Report post Posted December 12, 2002 Cutting dead weight is ok. Raven is anything but dead weight. He is such a valuable resource - think about it. Raven can take a bunch of lower card people, get 2 minutes only to talk, and he probably could still turn it into something entertaining to hold up the bottom of the card. niko Plus, he can talk. So he would never have to worry about not being able to do something for the company. Even if he retired from in-ring like Tazz did. He's better than Tazz at annoucing, or at least I thought he was. He used to announce Heat, and was a helluva lot better than Lita, D'Lo & Coach. He was also the third man on commentarty on RAW a few times. I liked his work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest buffybeast Report post Posted December 12, 2002 How is it that some of these guys had decent and/or entertaining gimmicks in other companies but when they get to WWE the company doesn't have anything for them or know what to do with them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EricMM Report post Posted December 12, 2002 The WWE is unwilling for the most part to let people get over on gimmicks perfected in other feds. The dudz are the glaring exception, (and lets not forget the stuttering thing) but WWE is alll about the home grown talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cataclysm911 Report post Posted December 12, 2002 and lets not forget the stuttering thing Yes. It sucked in ECW, and for some reason the WWE thought that it wouldn't suck there. They were, of course, wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EricMM Report post Posted December 12, 2002 Oh my bad, I thought Bubba said on Byte This that Vince thought up the stuttering idea. My mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vyce Report post Posted December 12, 2002 If Raven does get cut, I SO hope he winds up in NWA. His Heat segments lately have been golden. He gets a couple minutes to talk, and only wrestles or does the skits with jobbers, but I swear it's more entertaining than at least half of the shit on RAW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Report post Posted December 12, 2002 ...Raven's segments on Heat lately have been awful. The angle is a retarded rip-off of Se7en, and he can't wrestle to back up the silly vignettes anymore. He's out of shape and very, very sloppy--the DDT doesn't even look good anymore. He's another guy I've wanted to like since he came to the WWF, but I've never seen him wrestle ONE good match. By good, I mean something I'd like to watch again. I know that he hasn't gotten chances, but that doesn't mean they're going to give him a chance any time soon. The best he's going to do is commentating, which he's frickin' good at, but I don't see that happening again. I like Johnny the Bull in WCW, but he doesn't do anything here that distinguishes him from anybody else. Same goes for Moore, though Helms was definitely the shining talent amongst 3-Count. Credible is the lamest wrestler I've ever seen, so I'd love to see him go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest buffybeast Report post Posted December 12, 2002 The angle is a retarded rip-off of Se7en, and he can't wrestle to back up the silly vignettes anymore. He's out of shape and very, very sloppy--the DDT doesn't even look good anymore. Raven is out of shape? I'll give you that sometimes he can be sloppy. But I wouldn't say he's out of shape or untalented. I think he's given up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites