Huge F'n News on Armageddon

[Guest BobBacklundRules]

There is a strong possibility that WWE will put the title on Kurt Angle tomorrow at Armageddon. There is one plan having him win and go into a singles program with Chris Benoit for the title at Royal Rumble, with their storybook past a tag-team being the feud builder.

Then, Angle would defend against Lesnar at WrestleMania, with the plan being Lesnar winning the Royal Rumble match to earn the title shot playing off the angle between the two that they started at SmackDown! this past week. This would also lead to Lesnar getting revenge on Heyman in the form of screwing his new "client" Big Show out of the title the same way he did at Survivor Series.

 

However, some are wondering if Vince McMahon is to dead set on having the Big Show/Brock Lesnar rematch. Let's hope not.

[Guest dreamer420]

That was what I seen happened. Unless Angle jobs, but wins the Royal Rumble, allowing Brock to win the title back from the Big Show at either the Rumble or No Way Out.

[Guest bob_barron]

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[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

So in this scenerio Lesnar wins at Mania and Angle gets a short meaningless title regin?

 

I don't like it.

 

The only reason I supported Lesnar's title reign at all was so that he could have a long one that was finally snapped by Angle, finally elavating Angle to a tru top guy.

 

This leaves me with the taste of same old same old.

 

But, hey...they blew everything when they put Big Show over anyway.

[Guest Brian]

I don't like it either. Because someone needs to get the rub from being the first to legitimately beat Brock over the title. And Angle gets a filler reign.

 

Lesnar accidently screws Angle out of the title.

 

Go back to Brock/Show at rumble. Let Brock beat him, let Kurt win the rumble. Benoit/Angle for the shot at No Way Out.

[Guest DeputyHawk]

i don't see this as so bad. angle has been out of the title picture for the last year, a 3-month reign as a heel/tweener would do him the world of good if booked well, dropping to lesnar in the last match at mania, then taking that time off for his knees. when he came back from surgery, he would be over massively as a face anyway and can then build from that.

 

plus, brock can perfectly easily get his big win back from show in a demolition at no way out after winning the rumble to set himself up nicely for going over at mania. it's all good with me.

[Guest Brian]

Let him take the time off for his knees between Armageddon and Rumble. Then he can make his triumphant return at the rumble.

 

The problem is, Angle still ends up being stuck where he is. Him beating Lesnar would have established him for good and elevated everyone else on his level.

[Guest BobBacklundRules]

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[Guest DeputyHawk]

yeah, but they've spent most of the last year building brock and not angle. backing out on that at the final hurdle would make no sense. having brock go over angle at mania would elevate them both tremendously - the final step in the brock monster push, plus angle's first wm headline slot. if angle then has a few months off, and returns after headlining mania in a blinding match against lesnar (which it should be), he will be in a much stronger position than he has ever been before, certainly not still stuck where he is. then is the time to build for angle going over lesnar, cause then you have two legitimate main event stars.

[Guest Brian]

No. Angle gets a lame duck reign where he's dodging Brock. I hat to sound like someone else on the board, but that's basically the same position Angle's always been in despite having some stellar work and having the opportunity to headline a lot of shows. And where's Jericho when he was cowering in fear from Trips most of the time and protrayed as a lame-duck champ.

 

They backed out already when they took the title off Brock. They backed out on making a new star. They backed out on going the full push with Brock. They backed off because someone needed to eatablish the relevancy of Big Show's contract. They backed off because they got scared. Put the title back on Brock and finish what they started.

[Guest DeputyHawk]

obviously it all depends on the booking. i sincerely doubt they will portray angle as cowering from lesnar in the run up to mania, even if he does try to dodge him. angle's ring work is too strong for him to be seen as a lame-duck champion anymore the same as he was late 2000-early 2001. the marks' perception of angle has changed over the last couple of years from a goofy dork to a goofy dork who is hard as nails and who brings the goods to the table. jericho was a lame-duck champion due to a combination of bad booking and his own lame offense. angle only needs to worry about bad booking, and i think/hope they learned their lesson on that tactic from the hhh-jericho debacle. plus, angle is vince's boy, jericho was/is not. the road to wm will be beneficial to both guys in the long run, regardless who goes over in the short, and i'm all for that cause it's the kind of long term planning that has been sorely lacking of late.

[Guest DJ Jeff]

I'd much rather see Lesnar win the WWE Title at the Royal Rumble, and go in to Wrestlemania 19 to defend it against Angle. That way, Angle could win his first Royal Rumble, and go into Wrestlemania as either a huge face or a huge heel. That also would set up for Angle vs. Benoit at No Way Out with Angle's title shot on the line. Have Angle win, of course, then build towards the Angle vs. Lesnar match, where Angle would win.

[Guest Human Fly]

When they turned Lesnar face I think that probably jacked up their original plans as well. Having Angle as a heel beating Brock at 'Mania would be stange (Although they did have him lose to the Big Show, who I still think is the worst champ of all time). It seemed like they were setting up unstopable heel monster Brock to lose to Angle, but then that went out the window.

 

The best thing they could do is try and get them both over as mega-faces and hopefully give a Hogan-Warrior type feel to the match.

[Guest nikowwf]

Angle as #1 heel for 3 months and in the main events and in the main event of wrestlemania isnt too bad considering how everything is right now.

 

I think maybe we are asking too much for them to go back in time and make brock a heel again. Yes i wish he stayed heel too but he didnt.

 

niko

[Guest dwdw_IGN]

Let me just say that if they put the title on Angle and finnaly get it away from the Big Slow it will be a great choice and it will produce better matches that way!

[Guest DJ Jeff]

I actually kinda like Lesnar as a face better.

[B. Brian Brunzell 0]

Anything to get Show away from the title picture is ok by me.

[EL DANDY~! 0]

Hmm...what would happen if Angle won on Sunday? Oh yeah...see Jericho, Chris, last year at Vengeance...He might be elevated for a while...and so might Benoit...but he'll just end up jobbing to Brock and fall into midcard mediocrity again.

[Guest KoR Fungus]

I don't think this would be too bad. Not ideal perhaps, but Benoit feuding with Angle for the title is a hell of a lot better than both of them floudering in the midcard. They don't have to book the buildup to WM19 the same way that they booked HHH/Jericho last year. They could have both Angle and Brock look strong, and then the main event would just be a monster face beating a monster heel after a strong three month reign. Build to it like Austin/Rock at WM15. Rock didn't come out of that looking weak.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

If Angle gets the belt, there's potential for a lot of good singles matches as opposed to just a lot of good tag matches.

 

So let it be written, so let it be done.

[Guest B-X]

You know, I just figured something out.

 

Kurt Angle is the fucking man. Let me tell you why.

 

Back in November, Kurt managed to carry feuds with no less then THREE PEOPLE.. AT ONCE, and make each seem fresh and exciting.

 

Now, Angle is going to simultaneously carry feuds with Lesnar AND continue his Benoit feud?

 

Fan-fucking-tastic.

[Guest EricMM]

So let me get this strait.

 

Angle has Brock help him win the belt at Armageddon, in exchange for the first shot.

 

Then afterwards, he decides he doesn't want to after all.

 

Then Brock wins rumble, guaranteeing Brock a shot.

 

I mean, that made Jericho look questionable last year since he seemed afraid. But, there are much better things that they could do than what happened last year. It could actually be good...

[Guest Mole]

Even though it means Angle has a short title reign, it is much better than Show being champ.

 

My question is, who would be the face at WM? Angle or Lesnar?

 

If Lesnar/Angle happens, and Goldberg/Austin happens that has been reported, then I think WM would be pretty big.

[Guest creativename]

I HATE this idea. Angle has to finally get that big babyface main event title win at Wrestlemania. He has to win the Rumble and become a straight-up face, none of this cowardly heel/tweener bullsh*t.

 

This would merely represent WWE blowing another great opportunity with the same nonsensical booking. I can definitely see this happening though. It just seems like something WWE would do.

 

Brock's credibility has already been established. Angle needing Brock's help to win the title, then renegging on his promise until Mania because he's a cowardly heel, then losing in the main event to Brock would be absurd. It would destroy him.

 

obviously it all depends on the booking.  i sincerely doubt they will portray angle as cowering from lesnar in the run up to mania, even if he does try to dodge him.

 

Of course they would. How else are they supposed to do it?? Angle would be the heel, they can't have the heel back away from a promised title shot without him looking terrified. Of course Angle would come up with excuses, but there's no possible way to avoid him looking like a chickensh*t heel.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

I HATE this idea. Angle has to finally get that big babyface main event title win at Wrestlemania. He has to win the Rumble and become a straight-up face, none of this cowardly heel/tweener bullsh*t.

Hmm.. I'm not sure how over that would be when the smoke clears. Everytime they've done ass-kicking serious babyface Kurt Angle it's never gotten enough pop to last past a few months.

 

Meanwhile, heel Kurt is just so over. The "you suck" thing is just HUGE.

[Guest creativename]

I HATE this idea.  Angle has to finally get that big babyface main event title win at Wrestlemania.  He has to win the Rumble and become a straight-up face, none of this cowardly heel/tweener bullsh*t.

Hmm.. I'm not sure how over that would be when the smoke clears. Everytime they've done ass-kicking serious babyface Kurt Angle it's never gotten enough pop to last past a few months.

 

Meanwhile, heel Kurt is just so over. The "you suck" thing is just HUGE.

Have you been to a live event, or heard the "Let's go Angle" chants on TV? The "you suck" chants are just like the "what" and "shave your back" chants; people say them because it's fun, but other than that they're absolutely meaningless.

 

Angle's already one of the most over faces on the roster. Give Angle back his old rock version music, book him like a face, have him face heels only, and voila. Easy ass face turn complete.

 

And Angle has been mega-over as a face before, it's just that they neuter him every time.

[Guest Brian]

Angle's already one of the most over faces on that roster; all they really need to do is have Benoit turn on him and have him build up a sympathetic character by getting injured pre-rumble to take off time for his knee. Note I said sympathetic, which is the opposite of what Triple H did.

[Guest Retro Rob]

I think Angle has to go voer for the Title tonight because at WrestleMania, it would be best to see a face Lesnar defeat a heel Angle for the title. It would be similar to XIV with Austin and Michaels.

[Guest The Old Me]

I surely like the idea of putting the title on Angle, as he's my favorite and all. But I don't want him to be booked as a lame duck champion, who is just holding the belt for Brock. Personally, and I may be wrong, but I'd like to see a slow burn with Angle and Brock that isn't blown off until Summerslam. Of course, the WWE no longer knows how to book feuds that last this long, but I see great potential in it.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I surely like the idea of putting the title on Angle, as he's my favorite and all.  But I don't want him to be booked as a lame duck champion, who is just holding the belt for Brock.  Personally, and I may be wrong, but I'd like to see a slow burn with Angle and Brock that isn't blown off until Summerslam.  Of course, the WWE no longer knows how to book feuds that last this long, but I see great potential in it.

3 Months is not lame-duck.

 

 

3 weeks is lame-duck. This is the WWE, remember.

 

 

Plus, Angle's fist title reign was three months, and he came out of it looking great.