Japanese Ocean Cyclone Suplex

[Guest Imarkout4chrisdaniels]

Could someone here give me a good description of the Japanese Ocean Cyclone Suplex, from starting position and all that? We were discussing suplexes in another folder, and I have seen the move before but not enough to give an excellent description. Thanks.

[Guest Jubuki]

Why, so you can look smart? If you've seen it before, then describe it. It isn't rocket science.

[Guest Banky]

Maaaaaan, all he was doing was asking a question.

[Guest Imarkout4chrisdaniels]

No, not so I can look smart. I was expecting someone to ask me what an Ocean Cyclone Suplex is, and I wanted to give them a definitive answer. My intentions were to quote the answer given to me here, and post that this is where I got the answer, from people who know their stuff. I have only seen the move once, and it might have been called wrong. To me, it looked like a version of a wheelbarrow suplex. I'm not trying to "look smart" at all. I'm not one of those people. I am well versed in what I have seen and do know, but I have never seen puro except for a few clips. I think we would both agree that the move is not frequently on WWE TV, which is all I get to watch these days.

[Guest wolverine]

The only wrestler I've seen do this move is Manami Toyota. She crosses her opponent's arms from behind, then lifts them up on her shoulders, falling backwards into a pinning position with a bridge.

[Guest Black Tiger]

The 1995 Champion Carnival commercial tape had an awesome double team move in it. Can-Am Express vs. Kobashi/Kikuchi. Kroffat picks up Kikuchi for an Ocean Cyclone Suplex, but he doesn't bring him back. Furnas comes off the top and does a lariat.

 

Why did I just tell that story? Because when I was reading reviews of the 1995 CC before I bought it, the spot I just descibed was called an "Ocean Cylcone Doomsday Device" I knew what a Doomsday Device was, but not Ocean Cyclone. Yes, the Ocean Cyclone Suplex is the same move NA fans know as a Wheel Barrow suplex.

[Guest Imarkout4chrisdaniels]

Thanks, Wolverine. I also went to deathvalleydriver.com and checked out Rev. Ray's Big, Big, Book of Wrestling Holds. Here is what it said:

 

Suplex, Belly to Back Crossed Arms Through Leg

Used by : Manami Toyota

AKA : Japanese Ocean Suplex (Toyota)

Description : The attacker stands behind the victim. The attacker grabs one of the victim's arms and pulls it across the victim's body with their opposite hand (that is, the attacker's left hand grabs the victim's right hand or vice versa). The attacker reaches between the victim's legs and grabs the victim's other arm with their free hand, crossing the victim's arms in front of their body. The attacker lifts the victim up and falls backwards, dropping the victim on their neck/shoulders. This is usually bridged into a pin.

 

 

 

 

Again, thanks.........and Toyota *was* the only one listed. This is different from what I saw that was called the Ocean Cyclone Suplex. It was similar, but more like a straight-jacket suplex from the wheelbarrow suplex position. Anyone know someone that uses a move like that?

[Guest Imarkout4chrisdaniels]

Thanks to you as well, Black Tiger. I was making my last post while you posted yours and didn't see your answer.

[EL DANDY~!]

Toyota isn't the only person who did it. Al Snow did it in the mid-90s if I recall correctly. Man...Al Snow in a puro folder. Talk about bridging gaps in the great knowledge that IS logic.

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

Thanks, Wolverine. I also went to deathvalleydriver.com and checked out Rev. Ray's Big, Big, Book of Wrestling Holds. Here is what it said:

 

Suplex, Belly to Back Crossed Arms Through Leg

Used by : Manami Toyota

AKA : Japanese Ocean Suplex (Toyota)

Description : The attacker stands behind the victim. The attacker grabs one of the victim's arms and pulls it across the victim's body with their opposite hand (that is, the attacker's left hand grabs the victim's right hand or vice versa). The attacker reaches between the victim's legs and grabs the victim's other arm with their free hand, crossing the victim's arms in front of their body. The attacker lifts the victim up and falls backwards, dropping the victim on their neck/shoulders. This is usually bridged into a pin.

 

 

 

 

Again, thanks.........and Toyota *was* the only one listed. This is different from what I saw that was called the Ocean Cyclone Suplex. It was similar, but more like a straight-jacket suplex from the wheelbarrow suplex position. Anyone know someone that uses a move like that?

Dude you can't trust the DeathValleyDriver book, because I can assure that description is wrong. The Japanese Ocean Cyclone Suplex is when Toyota hooks the victim up like a straight jacket suplex, tucks her head between their legs, lifts the victim on her shoulders, and bridges back for the pin while keeping their arms crossed. I am sure Dace can confirm this.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

I seem to recall Prime Time whipping this baby out in WCW as well........

[Guest Dace59]

Coffin is right.

Both on the move and the Big Book being a pile of shit (Look, it doesn't know the difference between a hammerlock and holding your arm across someone's throat)

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

So...it's similar to a straight-jacket Electric Chair drop, only instead of the inverted powerbomb, the attacker falls backwards? Just trying to make sure I got this right, because the move sounds cool.

[Guest Jubuki]

It's not exactly a straitjacket, because you can't hold the person's arms like that when you're underneath them. They're on your shoulders, and you're holding their hands down between their legs and over your own head, and you continue to hold after falling back and bridging. A bit different from a straitjacket, where the arms are crossed and to the sides.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Wait, is it the same as the move that girl does in Tekken. I'm not really a huge fan of it, but I'm pretty sure there's a female Tekken character who does that move.

[Guest wolverine]

Speaking of Toyota, here is Dave Meltzer's review of her best singles match, which took place at Big Egg Universe on 11/20/94. From the 11/28/94 Wrestling Observer Newsletter:

 

Aja Kong (AJW WWWA world champion) pinned Manami Toyota (AJW IWA champion) in 17:19. Match of the year candidate. Toyota got battered and would come back with her flying moves. Among them were a reverse springboard crossbody. Kong threw some of the most brutal punches and kicks to the face and back. She did a twisting powerslam off the top rope and went to a crab but Toyota made the ropes. Kong picked Toyota up over her shoulder and ran across the ring and squashed her on the buckles. She picked her up again, carried her out of the ring onto the ramp, then did a windsprint on the ramp ending with a reverse powerslam on the ramp. After Toyota kicked out of a piledriver the place popped huge. She kicked out of a second piledriver and a backhand punch. Kong went to the top rope but Toyota got up and dropkicked her to the floor and hit a springboard plancha. Toyota then got on the top rope and did a dropkick off the top to the floor. She then grabbed a table and put Kong on it and slapped her silly. Toyota then ran across the ring and did a springboard into a splash onto Kong with both going through the table which drew the biggest pop thus far on the card. Toyota in the ring hit a moonsault for a near fall, then an Ocean suplex for a near fall but Kong came back with a german suplex and power bomb for near falls. After a splash off the middle rope and another power bomb, Toyota kicked out twice more. Then came another move that I have never seen before. Kong was on the top rope backwards to do a falling elbow but Toyota scooped her legs. So Kong is sitting on the top turnbuckle backwards. Toyota went up and did a Frankensteiner off the top rope somehow flipping Kong over backwards and landing on her in a Japanese rolling crotch cradle for a great near fall. Apparently she's done this before because the minute she set it up people were screaming "Backwards Frankentoyota" which must be the name of the move. Toyota went for another moonsault but Kong got her knees up. They went back-and-forth with more near falls until finally Kong used the SDD (vertical suplex dropped into a tombstone piledriver--Steiner Death Driver) and got the pin. Kong was in the ring crying from emotion and exhaustion after the match while Toyota was carried out of the ring. *****

[Guest geniusMoment]

Both taz and al snow used the move in ECW. It was called the ocean cyclone suplex there.

[Guest Dace59]

But it's not there move.

Ocean Cyclone Suplex = Wheel Barrow Suplex as already stated.

 

Japanese Ocean Cyclone Suplex = Cross Armed (Call it a straighjacket if you want) Bridging Electric Chair/Shoulder Mount suplex.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Speaking of Toyota, here is Dave Meltzer's review of her best singles match, which took place at Big Egg Universe on 11/20/94. From the 11/28/94 Wrestling Observer Newsletter:

 

Aja Kong (AJW WWWA world champion) pinned Manami Toyota (AJW IWA champion) in 17:19. Match of the year candidate. Toyota got battered and would come back with her flying moves. Among them were a reverse springboard crossbody. Kong threw some of the most brutal punches and kicks to the face and back. She did a twisting powerslam off the top rope and went to a crab but Toyota made the ropes. Kong picked Toyota up over her shoulder and ran across the ring and squashed her on the buckles. She picked her up again, carried her out of the ring onto the ramp, then did a windsprint on the ramp ending with a reverse powerslam on the ramp. After Toyota kicked out of a piledriver the place popped huge. She kicked out of a second piledriver and a backhand punch. Kong went to the top rope but Toyota got up and dropkicked her to the floor and hit a springboard plancha. Toyota then got on the top rope and did a dropkick off the top to the floor. She then grabbed a table and put Kong on it and slapped her silly. Toyota then ran across the ring and did a springboard into a splash onto Kong with both going through the table which drew the biggest pop thus far on the card. Toyota in the ring hit a moonsault for a near fall, then an Ocean suplex for a near fall but Kong came back with a german suplex and power bomb for near falls. After a splash off the middle rope and another power bomb, Toyota kicked out twice more. Then came another move that I have never seen before. Kong was on the top rope backwards to do a falling elbow but Toyota scooped her legs. So Kong is sitting on the top turnbuckle backwards. Toyota went up and did a Frankensteiner off the top rope somehow flipping Kong over backwards and landing on her in a Japanese rolling crotch cradle for a great near fall. Apparently she's done this before because the minute she set it up people were screaming "Backwards Frankentoyota" which must be the name of the move. Toyota went for another moonsault but Kong got her knees up. They went back-and-forth with more near falls until finally Kong used the SDD (vertical suplex dropped into a tombstone piledriver--Steiner Death Driver) and got the pin. Kong was in the ring crying from emotion and exhaustion after the match while Toyota was carried out of the ring. *****

Well, I guess Dave decided to write drunk again. Aja cried *when*? Did his tape skip to end of the show, and he just couldn't tell the difference between Toyota and Hokuto?

 

I enjoy reading his insights into wrestling, and I can appreciate the many years he's followed the business, but I wonder sometimes whether or not he's really paying attention to what's happening in the ring.

[Guest Jubuki]

She is pretty delirious after the match, but she evinces that by snapping up her belt in a "It's mine, it's all mine!" kind of way, like she was afraid she would lose.

[Guest jm29195]

If you can get hold of a copy of iyh Good Friends better enemies from 1996, the artist later to be known as Mideon uses one in his match for some reason....

[Guest RickyChosyu]

She is pretty delirious after the match, but she evinces that by snapping up her belt in a "It's mine, it's all mine!" kind of way, like she was afraid she would lose.

Yeah, that was a great moment. It confused me at the time because her title wasn't up for grabs, but obviously, she would rather not not have held the championship than hold it after losing to someone, as displayed later that night.

[Guest hiza jujigatame]

If you have Smackdown 4, I think that it's the Queen Angelito Pin in the CAW movelist.