What do you hate about

[Guest the 1inch punch]

Okay, a while back there was a thread where someone listed a load of people we collectively despise, and asking to come up with one positive thing about tham

 

This right here, is the opposite, taking ourFavourites and naming a criticism (at least one)

 

-Kurt Angle

 

-Chris Benoit

 

-Matt Hardy

 

-Eddy Guerrero

 

-Chris Nowinski

 

-Brock Lesnar

 

I'll start, shall I

 

-Kurt Angle

Booked as a joke 50% of the time.

Doesnt show off half the stuff he's capable of

 

-Chris Benoit

Has little or no charisma

Has no "Impact" Finisher, relying on a submission that isnt taken seriously

 

-Matt Hardy

Like Angle, booked as a joke most of the time

has not one, but three crap finishers

 

-Eddy Guerrero

Never booker seriously

Previous personal problems have impede his rise in the company

 

-Chris Nowinski

Lousy wrestler

Got his job from a gameshow he didnt even win

 

-Brock Lesnar

Doesnt show half of what he can do

Jobbed to the Big Show

[Guest nikowwf]

How did Chris Nowitski get on this list?

 

 

 

niko

[Guest the 1inch punch]

I like him

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

How can jobbing to someone be considered a "criticism"? Also, are we supposed to list OUR favorites or just the ones you picked out?

[Guest Coffey]

-Kurt Angle: I don't like how Kurt uses Suplexes the entire match, then finishes with the Ankle Lock. If he finishes with the Olympic/Angle Slam then it's fine. I mean, it does sort of make sense. The opponent is so warn out that they are forced to tap out.. but I still don't have to like it.

 

-Chris Benoit: I don't think that Chris Benoit will ever be at the top of the card because he doesn't have the "hero" look. In other words, he's not as handsome as say the Rock, so he would only make it as a heel.. which his lackluster promo's could hold him back on reaching the top. It would be cool to see Benoit bring back the Dragon Suplex as a finisher.

 

-Matt Hardy: I'm not really a fan of Matt Hardy's truthfully. He has the right skills to get where he is going, I just don't think where he is going is at the top. Sucks for him since the Intercontinental title is gone. I agree that I don't like any of his finishers either.

 

-Eddy Guerrero: Sometimes I have a hard time understanding him talk during his promos. That's never a good thing. Ask the Big Show. He is a victim of stereotypes as well.

 

-Chris Nowinski: Still too green. Needs to develop into his niche.

 

-Brock Lesnar: I like Brock. I like the fact that he is a big man and still sells. I don't think that he should've got to the top so fast. Basically the entire roster at one time was fodder to get Brock elevated past the mid-card. I don't agree with that.

[Guest Sturgis]

-Kurt Angle

Swears too much during matches and it takes away from his character.

 

-Chris Benoit

His hair sucks. I think he should go bald.

 

-Matt Hardy

Wears stupid clothes.

 

-Eddy Guerrero

Can't speak coerrent English or Spanish.

 

-Chris Nowinski

He's Green.

 

-Brock Lesnar

Does show his full potential.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Angle: Gets lost when he's mat wrestling with Benoit. Rarely builds to an Anklelock, just does it. His Anklelock is sloppier than Shammy's. Too funny to be taken seriously.

 

Benoit: Watered-down to hell in WWE. Rarely cuts a good promo, but can compensate with a cool "killer" personality. Ten-Million Germans a match are too many for me

 

Guerrero: Promos suck. They could be good, if they let him just talk, without this "Esse" shit, but right now he sounds like El Diablo from Superfriends.

 

Hardy: Found a great heel character, now he seems complacent. Hot temper. Needs to polish his in-ring work a little.

 

Nowinski: Needs time to really develop.

 

Lesnar: If Benoit is watered-down to hell, I don't know what to say about Lesnar. He could be a revelation if he's allowed to be. He can literally do EVERYTHING. From the F-5, to the SSP, to any number of submission holds. Let him do it.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Kurt Angle- Tries to be something he's not(an in-ring general). The severe bi-polarish booking of his character makes it hard to take seriously sometimes.

 

Chris Benoit- So watered down it isn;t even funny. Promos need some work, but does very well with the serious ones.

 

Eddy Guerrero- "Latino Heat" may have been a great gimmick back when he was with Chyna, it's kinda hurting him now.

 

Chris Nowinski- The guy just sucks major ass and I don't like him in the first place.

 

Matt Hardy- Needs a better finisher and polish up on the in-ring portion of the business.

 

Brock Lesnar- Hampered down by the WWE style

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Chris Nowinski- The guy just sucks major ass and I don't like him in the first place.

 

I disagree. I think he has definite heel charisma, and a great swagger. His gimmick isn't that good, but he's made a lot out of it. As far as in-ring stuff, he's basically a rookie, so I don't see how you can just declare that he sucks, when he hasn't gotten a chance to really blossom yet.

 

But if that's your opinion...

[Guest Ram]

-Kurt Angle - Spotty selling and his finishers suck.

 

-Chris Benoit - Bad laugh. He's really held off on going all out Benoit, but he's still amazingly good.

 

-Matt Hardy - Needs new finisher and needs some work on the in-ring product.

 

-Eddy Guerrero - ???

 

-Chris Nowinski - Everything. Cheap Heat + Lanky, green ass wrestling = Not good

 

-Brock Lesnar - Depends way too much on a generic powerhouse moveset.

[Guest TheHulkster]

Kurt Angle: He talks a bit to loud to his opponent during matches, almost Jericho level. His finisher looks like shit. He just holds his opponent's foot up in the air and does a random twist every few seconds.

 

Chris Benoit: ...is a bad actor. His promos lately have been okay, but his acting is terrible.

 

Eddy Guerrero: Owns the world's ugliest haircut.

 

CHris Nowinski: He's a pretty lousy worker

 

Matt Hardy: It's going to be hard for Matt to reach that next level because he's short and isn't ripped like Benoit of Guerrero. He doesn't really look like a wrestler as much as he looks like a cable guy or the guy who bags my groceries at the supermarket.

 

Brock Lesnar: He's a main eventer, but couldn't cut a main event level money drawing promo to save his life.

[Guest Lemon Drop Kid]

-Kurt Angle

 

I wish he hadn't taken a signature Benoit spot (the rolling germans) and used it regularly.

 

 

-Chris Benoit

 

I don't like the snot rockets.

 

 

-Matt Hardy

 

His offense is kind of gimmicky, often without much flow.

 

 

-Eddy Guerrero

 

Probably doesn't have the necessary promo skills to main event, or the intimidating presence to cover it up.

 

 

-Chris Nowinski

 

Nothing special in the ring. Not amazing on the mic either.

 

 

-Brock Lesnar

 

Mic skills are mediocre. Hasn't worked in enough of his collegiate background into his WWE matches.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

-Kurt Angle...he's been booked bad the last year or so. Typical coward heel, which is the opposite of when he's a babyface.

 

-Chris Benoit...still not much of a talker...not good when he tires to be funny.

 

-Matt Hardy...cool thing going...just don't see much room to evolve

 

-Eddy Guerrero...always jobs to Edge

 

-Chris Nowinski...gimmick is getting old very fast. Boring promos

 

-Brock Lesnar...I don't think he's as over as the WWE needs him to be for the way they're using him.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

-Chris Benoit

 

I don't like the snot rockets.

Hey man i mark out for the snot rockets

[Guest CED Ordonez]

Kurt Angle: Lacking in psychology for the Anklelock. An Anklelock is not a Stunner; It needs the leg psychology to work, as already noted. Needs to stop using the Rolling Germans so often.

 

Chris Benoit: Still an awful promo. He's more bearable than before, but still fairly bad. Doesn't use his powerbomb of death enough. Also needs to stop using the Rolling Germans so often.

 

Matt Hardy: He's a comedy routine at this point. He needs some credible wins and/or favorable booking in losses.

 

Eddy Guerrero: Dated theme music.

 

Chris Nowinski: Stuck in a gimmick rut and not very marketable in any category.

 

Brock Lesnar: Needs a bit of his amateur wrestling skills in his moveset. Not a very strong promo.

[Guest TheyCallMeMark]

Kurt Angle - Works the crowd, not the match.

Chris Benoit - Relies far too much on suplexes.

Matt Hardy - Soft offense.

Eddy Guerrero - Steals his opponents thunder.

Chris Nowinski - I've never seen him.

Brock Lesnar - Endangers other people.

[Mrnoitaull 0]

-Kurt Angle

nothing wrong here

-Chris Benoit horrible mic skills,needs to acutally wrestle like a tech an not like he's tryin to fake one

 

-Matt Hardy Literally standing still in the mid carding area

 

-Eddy Guerrero kinda lost in the storyboarding,waste of talent

 

-Chris Nowinski *see Matt hardy

 

-Brock Lesnar The MOnster gimmick well get old soon

[Guest gwf0704]

Kurt Angle - Needs to cut the comedy out of his heel routine. He could be as big a heel as Austin in his heyday if he would stop with the jokes and just became a killer wrestling machine.

 

Chris Benoit - Used to be a vicious heel but as fan favorite he seems pretty weak. His smile should say "I'm going to rip your throat out" not "See my missing tooth."

 

Matt Hardy - Can't shake the fact that besides his entrance he is using basically the same moves his brother Jeff uses, except ones a heel and ones a fan favorite.

 

Chris Nowinski - Seems to be stuck at a crossroads as he seemed to be progressing nicely as the stuck up heel. Now is a jobber to TE alumni.

 

Eddie Guerrero - Needs to cut out the comedy, just like Angle, and just go psycho in the ring with punishing moves.

 

Brock Lesnar - Needs to speak more than a few syllables per sentence. Looks like he wants to take a dump instead of giving a pissed off glare.

[Guest TheGame2705]

Kurt Angle- Very overrated. He's good but he's not at the best of the best. His finisher was seen being done in 1999 much better and he lifted the multiple Germans from a guy who's still around and he even used to team with no too long ago. Sucks an Al Wilson boner when playing a face. Talks very loud in the ring like someone mentioned.

 

Chris Jericho- Who knows why he's supposed to be World Champion. His humor is junior high at best and most of it is corny. Blew spots like a penny whore blew cocks. Still uses the same old weak springboard moonsault finisher that he's been using since forever. Gets less elevation than an old woman on his flying forearm.

 

Eddie Guerrero- VERY annoying with his latino shtick. Looks like Cheech and Chong's down syndrome brother. Doesn't look like he knows what he's gonna do 75% of the time in the ring and just sorta of stares at his opponent then uses a forearm.

 

Chris Benoit- Doesn't know how to do good promos.

 

Chris Nowinski- Has 0 charisma as evidenced in TE 1. Sucks at wrestling.

 

Matt Hardy- Looks like a monkey. Is a midcarder at best.

 

Lesnar- Stalls way too much. Doesn't say much at all. Very boring. Has a backbreaker, clothesline, and F5.

[Guest Mole]

-Kurt Angle - Needs to taken out of the comdey role he has sometimes. The promo he had on Smackdown tonight was great, keep that up and he will be perfect.

 

-Chris Benoit - Lacks in his promos.

 

-Matt Hardy - Needs to work on his promos, and a little bit of his moveset.

 

-Eddy Guerrero - He just cut his mullet, took away from his character.

 

-Chris Nowinski - Way too green.

 

-Brock Lesnar - Needs to do more than power moves. If he wrestles Brock at WM, maybe we will see some more wrestling moves. Bascially, increase his moveset.

[Guest razazteca]

-Matt Hardy, the AAAAAHHHHHH yell and hand gesture

 

-Eddy Guerrero, sporting the Insommiac hair cut

 

-Chris Nowinski, having to work with Maven

[Guest phoenixrising]

Kurt Angle - Still leaves spaces in interview for "What" chants, ensuring that fans are too busy chanting "what" rather than listen to what is being said. Slaps on his finisher without any setup whatsoever. This can be said for most of WWE however and is more of a general complaint.

 

Chris Benoit - Still not a great promo. Gimmick sucks as face because he has to dump his "silent killer" routine for bland babyface one. Still does the flying headbutt despite having had neck surgery.

 

Matt Hardy - Good heel but bland wrestling style, nothing to write home about. Outspoken backstage, which is good but could lead to his character being destroyed before he gets over.

 

Eddie Guerrero - Plays a stereotype character, accent gets old after a while. Rarely wins without some cheating involved, which is cool but marks don't take him seriously because of it.

 

Chris Nowinski - Hasn't got rid of his Tough Enough stigma yet.

 

Brock Lesnar - Could use some more polishing on his promos. If he can do much more than his power-based offense, whoever is holding him back is a fool for doing so.

[EL DANDY~! 0]

-Kurt Angle-Easy...he's lazy with his selling. Get over the dorkiness in the interviews. His post match blow-up was PERFECT.

 

-Chris Benoit-Ummmmmmmm...ummmmm...just kidding. I'm gonna say this. He still can't talk that well...

 

-Matt Hardy-Needs to improve in-ring work. Outside, he's great.

 

-Eddy Guerrero-He cut the mullet...HE CUT THE MULLET!

 

-Chris Nowinski-Sloppy in the ring.

 

-Brock Lesnar-Balance, balance, balance. Great power, but he oversells EVERYTHING. Find the median. Then he'll be fine.

[Guest Raven_Effect01]

Kurt Angle-Lack of psychology, most of the time booked as a comedy character and not taken seriously(last night was the exception as he seems to be headed to a serious, vicious, team leader heel character)

 

Chris Benoit-Due to the WWE style, resorts to too many Rolling Germans, snap suplexes, the Flying Headbutt, the Crippler Crossface, and other moves we usually see him do every week and could be even better if not limited by WWE. His wrestling's still good despite being limited, but his acting ability is poor and his mic skills still aren't so great.

 

Matt Hardy-Still looked at as a mid-carder at best, not given enough freedom to add more to his moveset, and gets squashed by the bigger wrestlers(Lesnar, Taker, Show)

 

Eddie Guerrero-Still has the stereotype "Latino Heat" gimmick stuck with him in WWE, recently cut off the mullet, and can't be taken seriously with his over-the-top Latino accent

 

Chris Nowinski-Green, gimmick getting old, and uses too much cheap heat

 

Lesnar-Booked too much as a generic power wrestler more than a technical wrestler that can also fly(Shooting Star Press).

[Guest midnight_burn]

Kurt Angle - No build up for the anklelock at all, and throws it on about 50 times a match. Superman no-selling also rears it's ugly head too often.

 

Chris Benoit - Applys the crossface really weakly, his face promos are brutal, especially when trying to do humour.

 

Both Angle and Benoit really overuse the German Suplex as well.

 

Matt Hardy - Ring work isn't up to the level of his gimmick, go past the coll entrance and he's still mid-card Matt Hardy.

 

Eddie Guerrero - No more mullet, and needs to move past stereotype gimmick. Lasso from El Passo or whatever is shitty too.

 

Chris Nowinski - Average at best in the ring like anything that has or ever will come from Tough Enough, and his gimmick will grow tired and dull before too long, if it hasn't already.

 

Brock Lesnar - Oversells at times, like flying across and out of the ring from a punch, and has too much vanilla hoss power offence.

[Guest nl5xsk1]

Kurt Angle - The smarks think he can do no wrong ... it just rubs me the wrong way.

Chris Benoit - See comment for Kurt Angle.

Matt Hardy - So far his gimmick has impressed me more than he himself. Needs more time as a single.

Eddy Guerrero - Can only do the heel gimmick well, needs to improve his face gimmick.

Chris Nowinski - Too green still, and needs to change his gimmick somewhat before it gets even more tiresome.

Brock Lesnar - Shouldn't have been pushed to the moon so quickly. I couldn't dislike him as a heel and don't like him as a face.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

-Kurt Angle

Character seems to slowly be running out of gas, even just months before he possibly reaches real main event star level. Also, I don't like the cue ball look.

 

-Chris Benoit

NOW I know why he doesn't get mic time. Dude, your promos suck!

 

-Matt Hardy

Too many stupid moves.

 

-Eddy Guerrero

Hasn't had any good promos since his talk about parenting with The Rock. Hasn't really had any serious character development since he was paired with Chyna.

 

-Chris Nowinski

I still don't see the potential in this guy.

 

-Brock Lesnar

The Happy Dance is so goddamn retarded looking that I've taken to calling him Donkey Kong at times.

[Guest evilhomer]

Angle The Anglelock, better suited to the WWE style than Shamrocks because it allows reversals and escaping from something other than grabbing the ropes, but just looks too weak, especially when he stands. I don't like his transistion from goofy guy in the promos and badass swearing guy in the ring. I'm not saying he should be the goofy guy in the ring also, just not such an extreme change.

 

Benoit One of the worst laughs I've ever seen. Whenever he gets one of those belly laughs going it's a horrible display of bad acting. No real pinning finisher. The head BUTT or the rolling germans could be used but they always end up being mid-card spots.

 

Geurrero Too hispanic. You're from Mexico (through Texas), we get the point, we believe it. Every other word doesn't have to be "El vato" or "Esse", and he doesn't have to speak with such a thick spanish accent that makes it hard to understand what he's saying.

 

Matt Hardy The yelling annoys me but it seems to work better now that he's a heel.

 

Nowinski Relies too much on cheap heat. Still too green, needs to learn the craft.

 

Lesnar Doesn't show wrestling skills. He's supposed to have a great amateur background, but instead relies on the standard hoss offence. I'm sure he's directed that way, but he could bring some of the skills into the mix.

[Guest art_vandelay]

Kurt Angle:

- Too thick and muscular. This is a good thing for Vince, but bad for his speed inside the ring against guys like Benoit and Eddy.

- Still relatively new to pro wrestling, which is why I don't consider him to be the best in the world right now. This is especially apparent when he tries new moves and doesn't do them well.

 

Chris Benoit:

- Ugly-ass tights. Especially those purple ones. Shitty "wolverine" designs don't help either.

- His promos, though improving, are still nowhere near as good as the guys at the top.

 

Matt Hardy:

- Boring inside the ring. He's slow and unmethodical. Never uses psychology.

- Generic moveset, awkward punches and kicks, lame signature moves.

- Gay hair and pants

 

Eddy Guerrero:

- HE LOST THE MULLET

- His character is ethnic-based, which prevents him from relating to the masses, and becoming super-marketable

 

Chris Nowinski:

- Everything about this guy sucks compared to the other men listed here. Only exceptions are his look (nice tights and hairstyle), his entrance music, and his occasional promos.

 

Brock Lesnar:

- Relies on power, almost exclusively. I wish he had more of a mat-game.

- Even worse than Benoit on the mic, though Lesnar shows tons of physical charisma in the ring

[Guest subliminal_animal]

Hardy: Found a great heel character, now he seems complacent. Hot temper. Needs to polish his in-ring work a little.

Hot temper?

 

-Chris Nowinski - Everything. Cheap Heat + Lanky, green ass wrestling = Not good

 

Kurt Angle: Lacking in psychology for the Anklelock. An Anklelock is not a Stunner; It needs the leg psychology to work, as already noted. Needs to stop using the Rolling Germans so often.

I don't understand why you need to work on the ankle for the anklelock. Yes, that would make it more effective, but I see it as more of a hold thant's so painful, it doesn't matter how un-hurt your ankle is. Working on a body part for every single finisher is silly in some cases, I think.