Raven looked like crap last night

[Guest Redhawk]

I'm surprised that everyone seems to be happy about Raven's look and performance on RAW. Sorry, but if anything is going to kill off his active wrestling career for good, I think it happened last night. For starters, he looked like crap. Never have I seen a wrestler and said, "Ugh," but that's what I did when Raven came out. His face looks like he aged 15 years in five months, and if he's in shape than you could have fooled me. I mean he doesn't have the Flair-tittties yet, but he cetainly looked fat enough. Not to mention more orange than a HHH-and-Hulk Hogan starter kit should allow. His psychology in the ring was fine, but he seemed out of breath very early into the match.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Raven has sucked for a looooong time.

[Guest RedJed]

I personally don't care how a certain wrestler looks in if they are "too tan" or "too out of shape" or whatever really. He didn't seem winded to me at all, and if anything he didn't look that great just because he was doing his damndest to carry the dead load known as Jeff Hardy.

[Guest Redhawk]

He looked like he'd been sleeping and they just woke him up and said go wrestle one minute before his music hit. I don't know, he just looked realy bad to me.

[Guest bob_barron]

Yea- Raven looked disgusting- they should've kept him on HEAT where he belongs

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Hahahahahaha. You guys crack me up.

 

Raven saved that match from getting any worse. He worked the leg, busted out a spinning toehold, and generally didn't fuck up his spots. Juxtapose that Mr. Dependable Jeff Hardy and you'll see. Raven was not the issue. Hell, even Keith gave him props and he HATES ECW alum.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Hahahahahaha. You guys crack me up.

 

Raven saved that match from getting any worse. He worked the leg, busted out a spinning toehold, and generally didn't fuck up his spots. Juxtapose that Mr. Dependable Jeff Hardy and you'll see. Raven was not the issue. Hell, even Keith gave him props and he HATES ECW alum.

I agree--Raven looked to be packing a beer belly but he was wrestling okay. Jeff Hardy sucks, still, and the only good thing he did was unintentionally sell the leg by fucking up and falling off the turnbuckle.

[Guest Ignatz Belzner]

Hell, nobody ever said a wrestler like Kawada was a sexy man, but he gets the job done in the ring, right?

[Guest The Czech Republic]

Speedo? Haircut? What the fuck?

 

Give him the grunge get-up, and dye his hair brown, what's so freaking hard?

[Guest The Old Me]

Raven did look horrible yes, but I agree he saved the match from being any worse. Just fire Jeff Hardy and let him hit rock bottom until a drug overdose takes him.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Raven would look better in an "In Memory of Al Wilson" t-shirt that I hope the WWE puts out

[Guest El Satanico]

With his horrible new haircut and wrestling gear Raven kinda looked like John Kronus.

 

He looked bad physically, but i didn't see any big problems with his wrestling so eh big deal.

 

Is his new haircut and wrestling gear something WWE made him do?

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Raven the Hut looked like crap.

 

Raven's been downhill since they changed his grunge look, I know it's outdated now, but dammit, that's who Raven's suppose to look.

[EL DANDY~! 0]

It simple science:

 

Raven has enough psychology and ring knowledge to know that if his opponent can't really do much, he can take over a match. Let RAW be an example, since Jeff Hardy can't really work that good. Raven TRIED to implement psychology, but it just seemed to me that Hardy wouldn't let him. The only thing he DID sell was when he blew the Whisper in the Wind. Never have I seen a wrestler try so hard to keep a match together get berated as he has. Hardy is done. He's gone. Rasumussen made the prediction that Matt Hardy would be WWE Champion by like 2007 and that Jeff Hardy would be in a wheelchair. Little did I know it would not be from wrestling, but from the drugs that prohibit him to have a good match. He, not Benoit, is going to end up like Dynamite, a man who took a whole lot of risks and his body took the toll for it. Raven hasn't wrestled in a LONG time, and it's BECAUSE of the stupidity of the writers that his talents on screen haven't been used. Even though Raven didn't look like a million bucks, Raven sure tried. I can't say that for about 90% of the roster there....

[Guest art_vandelay]

Hell, nobody ever said a wrestler like Kawada was a sexy man, but he gets the job done in the ring, right?  

 

Dude, that's Japan. You know, the place where they actually put ability ahead of appearances?

 

and the only good thing he did was unintentionally sell the leg by fucking up and falling off the turnbuckle.

 

Was that unintentional? I guess it looked too convincing for a guy like Jeff Hardy to pull off intentionally. :|

 

You know what would make this new Raven better? If they bought out the ECW library and showed the WWE audience what he was like back then, because there's no way he'll get over in his current state looking the way he does, and wrestling the way he does. It was a boring match, and NOT just because of Jeff Hardy. And who the fuck booked that finish? Raven must've landed on his head or landed on top of a sharp object after he missed that DDT because I've never seen anyone stay down that long from a failed DDT.

[Guest The Czech Republic]

There are some nuggets of quality from his 1997 WCW run.

[Guest NoCalMike]

What was the point of building heat for him on HEAT, as one character, and then when he finally makes it back to RAW, he is a totally different character.....WWE writers are just STUPID.

[Guest Steviekick]

With his horrible new haircut and wrestling gear Raven kinda looked like John Kronus.

That's exactly what I was thinking...maybe they can get someone to look like a fake Perry Saturn and we can have a rip off eliminaters.

 

Either that or techno team 2000.

[Guest Steviekick]

You know what would make this new Raven better? If they bought out the ECW library and showed the WWE audience what he was like back then, because there's no way he'll get over in his current state looking the way he does, and wrestling the way he does.

Raven could definitely get over in his current state...he just needs tv time to cut a good promo, and video footage on Confidential to remind people of what he has done. His character could still remain the same, but wouldn't be interesting if Raven 2k2 became anti-hardcore, like Cactus Jack in ECW?

 

He does need more flattering tights, though. He should switch over to the "Billy Gunn" Special that is currently being used by Test, Kidman, Stevie, etc.

[Guest Redhawk]

Sorry, but in-ring performance will not save a guy who physically looks like shit. Ric Flair, Jake Roberts, and even Macho Man could probably still go out there and -- psychology-wise -- put on a great match. But no one wants to see the man-tits, beer guts, and just general old-man look these guys are rocking. I never said Raven wasn't trying, or that he wasn't carrying Jeff Hardy. But if he continues to look like that: ugly hair, severe over-tanning, beer gut, etc., he will never get past the jobber role he's currently in. I kow people come in alll shapes and sizes, but wrestlers are supposed to be almost larger-than-life, or at least LOOK like athletes. And while Stone Cold may not look like Terrell Owens when his shirt's off, he at least looks like he could conceivably kick someone's ass. Raven looks like he's going to puke on your shoes and pass out at your feet.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

It's Jeff Hardy, were you expecting a **** affair or something?

[Guest Celtic Jobber]

The rumor I heard is that Vince McMahon hated Raven's old look, so that explains his new haircut and tights.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Sigh... didn't see the match, but... sigh. That's not the Raven I remember and love. At least the new t-shirt doesn't actually have him on it; better get it off eBay while I can.

[Guest converge241]

hes a cross between rodney and Saturn now

[Guest ManKinnd]

If he were to go against his best opponents of the past, like Dreamer or Benoit, how do you think he would do?

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

With Dreamer (given no-DQ stipulations and at least 7 minutes on Raw), probably just as good as he used to be able to. The psychology's still there, and Dreamer has a knack for pulling an audience into a match through emotion. Add that to Raven's knowledge of heel psychology, and Dreamer's heroic-loser routine, and you have yourself a fun match.

 

With Benoit: It's fucking Benoit. What the fuck do you fucking think?

 

As far as I'm concerned, Raven died after Backlash 2001. Gentlemen, we are now watching Johnny Polo 2.0.

[Guest FakeRazor]

I caught him out of the corner of my eye while typing something, and I thought he was Rikishi.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

I caught him out of the corner of my eye while typing something, and I thought he was Rikishi.

I know...had his ass poked out a little further there would be no way to tell them apart

[Guest subliminal_animal]

Speedo? Haircut? What the fuck?

 

Give him the grunge get-up, and dye his hair brown, what's so freaking hard?

He wore the black trunks in his last Heat match, too. And I'm pretty sure Raven is in charge of what he wrestles him. The WWE may make "suggestions," but I doubt they would go to such extremes in changing the look of what is essentially a jobber right now.

 

What was the point of building heat for him on HEAT, as one character, and then when he finally makes it back to RAW, he is a totally different character.....WWE writers are just STUPID.

Well, he didn't even play a character on Raw. He just wrestled.

[LooseCannon25 0]

I say why not make a HArdcore group which would include Raven, Dreamer, Richards, Victoria, and maybe even Justin Credible. Forget about the flock, just make them a stable that beat the hell out of people with singapore canes, and chairs and you could build them up as a bad-ass group with a little ECW in them.