Is the Edge getting his comuppence?

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

I wasn't saying Eddy won the blowoff.

[Guest Anglesault]

Here's how the feud played out. From the August first to Summerslam, Edge went over every single week, be it by pin, or ass kicking. Actually, 8/8 might br more appropriate, because 8/1 had a Benoit/Rock finish. Summerslam, Edge goes over.

 

8/29: Eddy beats Edge, Edge negates that by kicking his ass later in the show while saving Rikishi.

 

9/05: Edge beats Eddy in a 6 man (Or causes the pin for someone else, something like that. Keith is vague)

 

9/12: Edge outsmarts Eddy and causes him to get a Chavo Stinkface.

 

9/19: Eddy Takes out Edge

 

Unforgiven: Eddy beats Edge

 

9/26: Edge beats Eddy.

 

Very, Very one sided.

[Guest treble charged]

But was Eddy really hurt at all by this? Sure, he lost a lot, but he was still a prominent member of SmackDown, wrestling in main events pretty much every week, or so.

[Guest Anglesault]

Was Edge at the point where he had to go over EVERY SINGLE WEEK? Don't you think that a nice even feud, or even a feud where Eddy dominated but Edge kills him in the end, would help Edge "climb the ladder". It's damned hard to be build babyface sympathy to a guy who never loses and never acts like he's in any kind of danger of losing.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Well, heaven forbid they push a popular face and make him into a possible star of the future!

 

As for this nonsense with Vince moaning at Edge for not pulling a ***** match out of Alber...SORRY A-Train. BULL! Angle couldn't have got a 5 star match out of A-Train. Benoit couldn't have, Eddie couldn't have. I don't reckon any wrestler could have, especially with a fued which was built up in exactly 2 weeks. Who's fault is that, Edge? No Vince, for wanting to push A-Train in the first place.

 

Edge has a load of credentials. He's not a bad wrestler. Sure, he's no Eddie/Angle/Benoit, but if on Raw he'd be the most/second most talented all round wrestler and entertainer there.

 

Oh, and AS, Edge calls people dorks cause it's sorta his gimmick. Watch some 2000 wrestling, look for E and C, and you'll realise why the word dork is in his gimmick vocabulary. Oh, and Edge kept going over Eddie because Eddie's gimmick at the time was the funny heel everyone(the marks mainly) liked to see get humiliated, but would eventually pull out the win at the PPV in style and gain some respect.

[Guest Anglesault]

Oh, and AS, Edge calls people dorks cause it's sorta his gimmick

 

A Gimmick that sucks.

 

Watch some 2000 wrestling, look for E and C, and you'll realise why the word dork is in his gimmick vocabulary

 

Why, yes, Mr. "X-Pac has no character development" was trying to use his midcard heel gimmick as a main event face. Irony, or something.

[Guest treble charged]

But, AS, you didn't answer my question: Was Eddy hurt at all by the losses to Edge? Maybe Edge didn't have to go over every week, but it's not like Eddy was worse off after the feud ended.

[Guest Anglesault]

The last two matches really saved him.

 

Honestly, this feud fucked Edge over more than Eddy. If eddy had been a true threat to edge and portrayed as someone a level above Edge, that last win would have meant something. Same with Angle. As it was, Edge played it up like he was on a hire level than Eddy or Kurt, and that there was never any doubt as to who would win, so a Big win over Eddy seemed no different than the win over Storm.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Here's how the feud played out. From the August first to Summerslam, Edge went over every single week, be it by pin, or ass kicking. Actually, 8/8 might br more appropriate, because 8/1 had a Benoit/Rock finish. Summerslam, Edge goes over.

 

8/29: Eddy beats Edge, Edge negates that by kicking his ass later in the show while saving Rikishi.

 

9/05: Edge beats Eddy in a 6 man (Or causes the pin for someone else, something like that. Keith is vague)

 

9/12: Edge outsmarts Eddy and causes him to get a Chavo Stinkface.

 

9/19: Eddy Takes out Edge

 

Unforgiven: Eddy beats Edge

 

9/26: Edge beats Eddy.

 

Very, Very one sided.

Y'know, I'd say this was the mother of all nit-picking posts, but it's just par for the course as far as you're concerned.

 

I don't see how making the big save negates losing an important match in a number one contender's tourney. And with the 6 man, Eddy was pinned after Edge, Taker, and ? all hit their finishers or big pop moves on him.

 

In short, I still don't see where all this "one-sided" garbage is coming from when in matches that count, they went 2-2.

[Guest Anglesault]

I don't see how making the big save negates losing an important match in a number one contender's tourney.

 

The classid WWF strategy of "who stands tall at the end of the night" natch. That's all that matters.

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

You guys are the biggest bunch of Cry Babies. The Arguments use to be "Christian is Better then Edge, Christian deserves the Push more then Edge, Edge isn't over, Edge needs canned heat, Edge will never put on a **** match, Edge can't be carried."

 

He proves you wrong everytime time and you still come up with shit to complain about. Maybe they should De-push Edge and keep pushing Taker, Albert, Demott and Rikishi in his spot? That make you happy?

 

Plus, Vince is a fuckin' moron is he punishes and De-pushes Edge down the card. Edge is one of, if not the most over Babyface in the Company Right now. He worked hard, and a few other people have worked really hard to get him where he's at. De-push him now when he has a strong mark fan base, and you're only going to piss off those fans and get a RVD backlash.

[JN News 0]

You guys are the biggest bunch of Cry Babies. The Arguments use to be "Christian is Better then Edge, Christian deserves the Push more then Edge, Edge isn't over, Edge needs canned heat, Edge will never put on a **** match, Edge can't be carried."

 

He proves you wrong everytime time and you still come up with shit to complain about. Maybe they should De-push Edge and keep pushing Taker, Albert, Demott and Rikishi in his spot? That make you happy?

 

Plus, Vince is a fuckin' moron is he punishes and De-pushes Edge down the card. Edge is one of, if not the most over Babyface in the Company Right now. He worked hard, and a few other people have worked really hard to get him where he's at. De-push him now when he has a strong mark fan base, and you're only going to piss off those fans and get a RVD backlash.

I agree, Edge has been busting his canadian, pretty-boy ass off inside that ring for over 4 years now. Edge has payed his fucking dues in the WWF. Hell, he's even been paying his dues in this sport in the past years leading up to his arrival to the WWF. Edge has done EVERYTHING that he has been told to do by the management. He has jobbed and put people over whenever he was asked or told to without ever complaining. Edge has always put the company first before himself or anything else. If I'm not mistaken, I do believe that paying your dues is very important in the wrestling business. Adam "Edge" Copeland has paid his dues in this business. He's a hard worker, even though he's not 100% perfect, like Angle. But, Edge is a hard worker who has paid his dues in wrestling. He deserves a push, bottom line.

[Guest Dmann2000]

Okay How many World titles has Edge won....*checks records*....Ah Yes! Zero, since his debut in Spring 1998.

 

How many World titles has Kurt Angle won.....*checks records*.....Ah Yes! Three, one every year since 2000, and is currently WWE Champion, since his debut in November 1999.

[Guest Brian]

I think it's all more of a case of Eddy being a little smarter of a worker than Angle. Angle was hurt from the feud, Eddy was able to channel all that out in his wrestling and make himself look stronger.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Okay How many World titles has Edge won....*checks records*....Ah Yes! Zero, since his debut in Spring 1998.

 

How many World titles has Kurt Angle won.....*checks records*.....Ah Yes! Three, one every year since 2000, and is currently WWE Champion, since his debut in November 1999.

What does that have to do with anything? If you're trying to use that to say Angle's the better worker because he has world titles then that's a pretty lame argument.

 

I find it funny that people whine about Edge getting a "God push" just like Angle did when he debuted. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, they paired HIM with better workers so that he could learn as well. How conveinient that the slavering Angle fanboys forget that when they whine and moan about Edge.

 

[Guest notJames]

What exactly is comuppence? I'm confused, kid.

I think he meant come-upins as in what he deserves is coming up.

 

You guys just about killed my spell chequer

 

Comeuppance

 

BTW, I think this story is BS, considering how Edge is slated to be thrown into the Team Angle mix, most likely in a 6-man tag match next week, and possibly a tag match with Rey Rey against Haas/Benjamin at WM (speculation on my part as of now). Doesn't sound like anyone is getting de-pushed to me.

 

As for A-Train, how many non-ME guys have been allowed to kick out of UT's chokeslam? Looks like this train's not getting de-railed any time soon...

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

Edge's "face in peril" schtick from the last couple of weeks really helped Christ Benoit to get over as a face so I've no problems with the guy.

[JasonX 0]

I agree, Edge has been  busting his canadian, pretty-boy ass off inside that ring for over 4 years now. Edge has payed his fucking dues in the WWF. Hell, he's even been paying his dues in this sport in the past years leading up to his arrival to the WWF. Edge has done EVERYTHING that he has been told to do by the management. He has jobbed and put people over whenever he was asked or told to without ever complaining. Edge has always put the company first before himself or anything else. If I'm not mistaken, I do believe that paying your dues is very important in the wrestling business. Adam "Edge" Copeland has paid his dues in this business. He's a hard worker, even though he's not 100% perfect, like Angle. But, Edge is a hard worker who has paid his dues in wrestling. He deserves a push, bottom line.

Yet the WWE has NOT pulled the f-ing trigger with Edge to make him an upper card guy. Why hasn't he been feuding with HHH, Hogan, Rock, UT, or Austin in order to solidifying him as an upper-card guy? Yeah he feuded with Angle, but Angle's nothing more than a glorified JTTS when it comes to the upper-card (something that was made totally obvious by the WWE's pussy decision of refusing to force UT into jobbing the belt to Rock and instead ramrodding Angle into a three-way match for the sole purpose of using Angle as a surrogate jobber who gets pinned instead of UT to get the belt off of the crybaby Taker) and only gets a serious push when they turn him into a personalityless android of a heel....

 

Hell, if the WWE had Edge put into an angle where he beats the UT like a bitch and forces UT to renounce being a heel in order to avoid getting his ass kicked again, then I wouldn't be bitching about Edge. But as it stands, the WWE has sacrified too much and done nothing drastic to Edge to make him nothing less than a glorified Midcarder without the prerequisit JTTS-status that every other Midcarder is forced to have these days....

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

As an Edge hater I must say:

 

1. He doesn't deserve a depush for not being able to carry Albert.

 

2. He isn't as good as the WWE thinks he is.

 

3. It is his fault that he ended up in the same place he started. He has done nothing to distinguish himself from the start to the finish. Yes he got to wrestle Angle, Eddy and Benoit every week and looked good doing it. But there was no progression and as I got yelled at for saying in the past...at the end of the day...he was still just Edge.

 

4. It won't be long until he gets another push. Vince won't give up on Edge. He's just pissed that everyone knew that the Albert angle would bomb and they were right. Vince will push Edge until it either works or he's dead.

[Guest the pinjockey]

Is Edge really that over though? He seems to be the most inconsistently popular guy ever. Some places go nuts for him, some places are apathetic, and some places (NYC for one) hate him. I can see why they never pulled the trigger when they get ready to push him and come to a couple straight places where he gets little reaction.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

He's pretty over. That's never been something that I've had a problem with as a defense. The problem is that the WWE wants him to seem like a real big superstar...and I don't think he has any of the tools to get that job done.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Is Edge really that over though? He seems to be the most inconsistently popular guy ever. Some places go nuts for him, some places are apathetic, and some places (NYC for one) hate him. I can see why they never pulled the trigger when they get ready to push him and come to a couple straight places where he gets little reaction.

The thing is that people's reactions don't have *that* much of an impact on people's pushes. If Edge has a lot of places cheering for him/going nuts for him, imagine his reaction if WWE pulled the trigger on him and really pushed him to the top. It worked with Lesner. He wasn't very over before, but now he is. And if the fans reactions had a lot to do with pushes, why did WWE ever push Austin? He had barely any crowd reactions until KOTR '96 when WWE pushed him. I would use other examples such as Test, Albert, ect., but I think those examples have been beaten to the ground...

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

People cheering you has NOTHING to do with getting pushed at all.

 

If it did RVD would be World Champion and Brock Lesnar would never have gotten any kind of push.

[Guest CanadianChick]

People cheering you has NOTHING to do with getting pushed at all.

 

If it did RVD would be World Champion and Brock Lesnar would never have gotten any kind of push.

That's my point. If WWE ever said that they weren't pushing someone because the fans don't like them, you just know its BS...

[Guest Celtic Jobber]

Edge has great hair and the chicks dig him, leave the poor bastard alone.

[JasonX 0]

He's pretty over.  That's never been something that I've had a problem with as a defense.  The problem is that the WWE wants him to seem like a real big superstar...and I don't think he has any of the tools to get that job done.

Nor has he been given a chance to actually prove he belongs in the upper card.

 

No HHH feud, no Rock feud, no UT feud, no Hogan feud, just a midcard feud Angle in a feud that did nothing but killed any chances of us seeing Angle pushed as anything but the dull-as-shit, personality-free evil android he currently is being pushed as.

 

If the WWE wanted to shit and not get off the pot and TRULY push Edge, they need to ship Edge's Canadian ass to Raw and have him kill HHH dead and then dismember the corpse for good measure and promote him as the guy who finally stopped HHH's reign of terror once and for all....

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Personality-free? What show are YOU watching?

[Guest Anglesault]

Personality free? Huh?

[Guest AndrewTS]

Personality-free evil android? I concur with AS--huh?

 

However, Jason X has some points--as well as ones that don't work. Yes, they seem to have the idea that they want Edge as a future main eventer, but have they put him into a program with an existing one? No. Angle was an upper midcarder when he fueded with him.

 

So, maybe what they need to do is allow Edge to come out of the winning end of a fued with an existing main eventer who should be putting over younger guys at their stage in their career?

 

HHH? "I-uh don't think so-uh."

 

Taker? "*sniff* I'm not feeling it..."

 

The only ones right now that would do it is Angle, Hogan, and Brock. Although, Angle did his jobbing to Edge a while back, Brock is going to be protected likely, and Hogan's rub doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot.

 

Then, of course, is the problem that Edge doesn't really strike me as "main event." He's basically a watered down version of his heel tag team character. He's a midcarder character. His interviews are still pretty bad, and main eventers need to be able to deliver good interviews. I think he can do it, but right now he needs a lot of work.

 

And no, they haven't given him the ball to try to run with--A-Train?!?!

 

Although, if Vince gets his grapefruits back and does decide to nix Taker or HHH, then maybe that would make Edge have to step up his game. Although, right now he's in upper-midcarder limbo, because the Brock-Angle program is set in stone. He's in the same position as Benoit is right now. The only thing I can come up with--which seems like they might do--is tag up Benoit and Edge for a run with the tag titles to keep them busy for a little while.

[Guest Anglesault]

The only thing different about Angle now is that he's no longer an INCOMPETANT MIDCARD GOOFBALL~! (God, Vince loves that gimmick) like he was all last year. He's still funny, he just isn't an idiot.