This has gotten fucking ridiculous

[Guest Anglesault]

Actually, I see bitching about Angle beating Brock also, but that's beside the point I wanted to make originally.

 

You said that between No Way Out and Wrestlemania isn't enough for a good build to a match. I'd like to direct you to Rock v. Austin, Wrestlemania XVII.

Yeah, you're right. Every encounter from Survivor Series to No Way Out, Austin went over Rock, broke his leg in a one on two beat down, made bitches of his lackies, and outsmarted every move Rock's manager made.

 

Or something.

 

Rock/Austin STARTED after No Way Out, and, in Case you missed the memo, It was THE ROCK AND STEVE AUSTIN. One of them could have pranced around the building in a tutu and Mania would still be a toss up.

 

Angle/Brock has been going on since December. Don't deny it, that's when brock broke Angle's leg, that's when Angle and Heyman started the alliance, that's when TA was brought it to be Road Block's that's when Heyman started protecting Angle by throwing people in brock's path. And Brock has either beat down or outsmarted Heyman and friends EVERY SINGLE meeting since. Will one month after No Way Out change that?

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Actually, the only really good build-up to Rock-Austin X-7 came in the final two weeks. Its a testament to how good those two weeks and the actual match itself were that everyone forgets that they tried to run that god-awful Debra angle with the two right after No Way Out. Anyways, I can definitely see Team Angle Pillmanising Brock at No Way Out. Selling is one of Brock's strong points, and I'd be happy to see Angle murder his ankle in set-up for the big match.

[Guest TheGame2705]

Brock sells well?

 

Brock's Angry Face :-|

Brock's Happy Face :-|

Brock's Injured Face :-|

[Guest Brian]

He may not have the facials down, but his selling and bumping are both really good, especially for a guy his size who is practically asked to no sell.

 

I still think that if they make Angle look strong enough, it'll all just be momentum going into the face turn and he'll take the eventual re-match (SummerSlam?).

[Guest Anglesault]

He may not have the facials down, but his selling and bumping are both really good, especially for a guy his size who is practically asked to no sell.

 

The only thing that really sticks out in my mind is him ignoring Flair's Figure Four completely, but that was June.

 

I still think that if they make Angle look strong enough

 

Angle himself looks fine, and hes the favorite 99 % of the time. It just so happens that he's facing a guy that looks superhuman, and that *COULD* fuck him up.

[Guest Brian]

But when he turns face and beats him back for the title.

[Guest Anglesault]

But if Brock beats him like a total jobber every week, he may not be in the position to have a rematch five months later.

[Guest Brian]

Come on Anglesault. You know WWE logic. Face turn = heel career never existed.

[Guest Anglesault]

Ah. Yes.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I think AS is missing the big picture in his opening post. Brock never touched Angle. Why? because Angle let him destroy his best friends. (Who just went over Los Guerreros clean earlier in the show, so you can't say they're not getting booked well.) Angle looked cold-blooded and smart. Plus, this was a show DOMINATED by Team Angle, Angle won clean, Haas/Benjman won clean. They need to send the fans home happy.

 

One more thing: Brock is more over than Hogan is. I was at the First Union Center that night. He is over like Austin was, to job him out at Wrestlemania, is just stupid. The only people you suggest that with a straight face are rabid Angle marks have no real knowledge of business at all. He's been chasing the title since the week after SurSer. He's getting back at WrestleMania. the period after NWO is when all the *Heel looks unstoppable and destroys everything* starts. Then Superman comes and destroys the bad guy; that's drama.

[Guest Anglesault]

I think AS is missing the big picture in his opening post. Brock never touched Angle. Why? because Angle let him destroy his best friends. Angle looked cold-blooded and smart. Plus, this was a show DOMINATED by Team Angle, Angle won clean, Haas/Benjman won clean. They need to send the fans home happy.

Actually, Angle didn't LET it happen, he was powerless to stop it. Edge took him out. If he would have walked away, you could try the "mindgames" card.

 

What I'm saying is that Team Angle was brought in to help Angle against Brock. They have had two encounters, and I don't even recall them putting a decent fight up. Little things like that annoy me. These are supposed to be the best tag team on SD! (By winning the tag titles, that's what it's supposed to symbolize), two of the best "wrestlers" in the company (Storyline) and one guy who knows Brock better than anyone. And they can't last 15 seconds? We already know that Angle is a deadman if Brock gets his hands on him. They're not even TRYING to make this feud looks competitve.

[Guest BDC]

Actually, Angle didn't LET it happen, he was powerless to stop it. Edge took him out.  If he would have walked away, you could try the "mindgames" card.

 

 

Blame that on Angle. He could have done it if he had thought about it. But then, why didn't he get back in the ring? Why didn't he do a lot of things? Brock was just hitting everything in front of him. Angle's been smart enough not to and for crying out loud, stop whining. Lord Almighty, I have never seen someone whine as much as you do over a wrestler.

 

 

EDIT: Before anyone replied, for some spelling and a point I left out.

[Guest Anglesault]

He could have done it if he had thought about it

Could have done what?

 

But then, why didn't he get back in the ring?

 

Because Edge took him out. That has been established. he was done at that point.

 

Angle's been smart enough not to

 

What....

 

And why are we blaming Angle for a bad booking decission?

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Isn't the entire point of Team Angle, to ensure that Brock can't touch Angle again?

[Guest Anglesault]

Isn't the entire point of Team Angle, to ensure that Brock can't touch Angle again?

Wow, you are right. Damn. They outright SAID it.

 

For some reason, that mission statement never actually sent the "Fodder" alarms off in my head. I always pictured them like, saving Angle and initiating a 3 on 1 beatdown. For whatever reason, I never took that as it's true meaning, being "people to literally get killed by brock until Angle can escape"

 

This feud will suck.

[Guest THE MIGHTY THOR]

I agreed with AS because the WWF/E is making Brock look indestructible, but has he proven himself as being a draw?? I don't think so, not in my eyes, let's see what happens after Wrestlemania when RAW and Smackdown get their own ppvs , people are going to get tired of seeing Brock beating everybody down w/o breaking a sweat and they eventually will turn on him.

[Guest Brian]

He's proven to be adecent draw, not a strong one. Ratings were better when he was around versus when he wasn't, and the trends with growth in the shows was better (the latter more due to the way things were built, with strong mid-card matches in the middle of a show and good build around Brock).

[cawthon777 0]

The face HAS to be the underdog ... otherwise, who the fuck cares?

 

That's why Goldberg was such a disapointment. Okay, he comes in and kills the heels ... big deal. However, if you have the monster heel as the favorite in the big match at WrestleMania - then it means a lot more when the face wins.

 

Okay, I know this is generally regarded as the worst WrestleMania ever - but think back to 9 (for those who were watching back then). Bret had beaten EVERYONE ... he held off Flair, Bigelow, Razor, HBK, and all the lesser mid-carders. Everytime they put him up against a big guy, he was the underdog...but he always came out on top.

 

And Yoko had killed EVERYONE he faced. From the nobodies like Virgil to the psuedo-nobodies like Jim Duggan. Hell, he even went over Randy Savage clean going into the PPV.

 

So you take the underdog face who seems to always pull off the win at the last moment and you put him up against the monster heel who is undefeated.

 

Basically, what I'm saying is ... Angle should be face and Brock should be heel.

 

Damn ... the WWE messed up again ...

[Guest Goodear]

Uhm... no. WWE tried to push Brock as a heel and the fans didn't buy in as much as they do now. They tried to push Angle as a face and the same thing happened.

 

Anyways the best financial periods in WWE history were under Austin and Hogan and those two were almost never underdogs. People just paid money to go watch them kick down the latest challenger. Yeah, some monster faces fail (Nash) but not every face should be an underdog in every feud.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Anyone read the Heros Journey post?

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Isn't the entire point of Team Angle, to ensure that Brock can't touch Angle again?

Wow, you are right. Damn. They outright SAID it.

 

For some reason, that mission statement never actually sent the "Fodder" alarms off in my head. I always pictured them like, saving Angle and initiating a 3 on 1 beatdown. For whatever reason, I never took that as it's true meaning, being "people to literally get killed by brock until Angle can escape"

 

This feud will suck.

1. It had to happen sometime.

 

 

2. Quite honestly, I don't CARE if they get murdered every week. Just as long as they can have **** matches with Los Guererros every week, I'll let the booking slide.

 

Also, remember this: Kurt and Paul are the architects of this conspiricy, as long as Brock can't vent his mount frustration at them: THEY WIN.

 

 

But most likely this was just something they did to send the rowdy Philly crowd home happy, and will have no effect on booking.

[cawthon777 0]

Uhm... no. WWE tried to push Brock as a heel and the fans didn't buy in as much as they do now. They tried to push Angle as a face and the same thing happened.

 

Anyways the best financial periods in WWE history were under Austin and Hogan and those two were almost never underdogs. People just paid money to go watch them kick down the latest challenger. Yeah, some monster faces fail (Nash) but not every face should be an underdog in every feud.

I'm not saying it needs to be this way everytime - just that Angle needs a lot more credibility on his side right now - especially considering it's WrestleMania.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Angle doesn't need any cred. He's accomplished more in a year than anyone else in most of their careers. Angle and Brock should trade battles, and then when they finally meet face-to-face...

 

Brock should MURDER Angle.

 

Angle won't lose anything because of how well he's been built up, and you don't lose all your heat from one match. Brock needs to beat his Lex Luthor, he is Superman. Superman wins, that's drama. Just because a few smarks like Angle doesn't mean you have him win at WM, when the overwhelming majority wants to see Brock just murder him. (And that makes sense from a booking standpoint, as well.)

[Guest subliminal_animal]

It won't ruin Angle.

Guy that never stood a chance and finally loses. Wow, that will get him places. Besides the Hardyz and arguably RVD, who the hell ever looked like they never had a dream of beating Brock?

Yo, dumbo! Someone said it already ... John Cena. By my calculations, John Cena is a lock for next week. Look how confident he was when he dissed Brock a new one. If Brock can't out-dance cripples, how does he stand a chance against the highly mobile Cena? Plus, do you notice how Borck never mentioned Cena on Smackdown or his weekly Velocity appearance (recap of Smackdown)? That's because he came to the arena about a half-hour into the show like all the big stars and was probably too bust bein' a busta to notice he's taking on Cena next week.

 

So when he does come to the arena for Smackdown ten minutes before his match, he's going to be all "duh" and real surprised and shocked, even. Brock will be making up excuses, while Cena has already done all his homework on the big poppa. Cena will take Brock apart and strip him of his dignity and trunks, breaking him down using his chain-wrapped fist, Red Dog and all-around Thuganomically viable maneuvers. Plus, Cena's confidence is also indicative that he has a few more tricks up his sleeve. Maybe he plans to unleash some excitingly effective juggle combos and special moves like "Enjoying the Cena-Ree," "The Cena the Crime" or maybe even "The Crime Cena."

 

John Cena d. Brock Lesnar (3:45 KO -> juggle combo)

[Guest Mole]

I am not even going to bother looking through this whole thread, and listen to AS bitch about Brock.

 

I am just waiting for the feud to start going into WM, that's when it should get interesting. If not, then AS is right.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

The feud probably won't end at WM either - it's just beginning.

[cawthon777 0]

You know what would be interesting and would completely change my mind about this whole feud?

 

If Brock loses the belt back to Angle after Mania.

[Guest Brian]

Like at Summerslam, like I've been saying in the big re-match without all the heyman backstory but focused on the two as wrestlers and Angle trying to porve himself after working hard as a face.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Could have his pants pulled down to reveal a red-white-and-blue thong and he'd still be over like Ric Flair...

 

Oh, wait...