Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2003 I'm not sure which All-star game related picture is better, the picture of Yao and Jordan in midcourt or the picture of Yao, Shaq and Christina Aguilera. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MillenniumMan831 Report post Posted February 10, 2003 Damn, Zydrunas Ilgauskus only played 4 minutes out of 58?!? And out of 300 points scored in the game, he was the only one with a goose-egg?!? Being from Cleveland, I didn't expect much, but 4 MINUTES?!? Yikes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest starvenger Report post Posted February 10, 2003 I don't get the MJ hate. More then likely the greatest player of all time, he should be given this time. Especially because it's an exhibition game that means nothing. They're not handing the Wizards the NBA title (they're too busy trying to give it to the Lakers but that's another story). Hey, when Gretzky was on his retirement tour did you see the players trying to give him the last goal? I've got no problem with Jordan's legacy in basketball, but this comeback was all about ego, about him trying to say that he's STILL better than everyone else out there. And he's still a damn good player, but he's not the best out there right now - it's not even close. I also have no problem with him being on the All-Star team. But starting? No. Sure, Carter shouldn't have been starting (or even playing), but when I voted I saw Michael Jordan's name on the ballot. If the fans WANTED him to start, he would have started. The cold, hard facts are, they DIDN'T and he SHOULDN'T have. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't dislike MJ, but I really dislike the entire bj for him this weekend... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted February 10, 2003 Is it just me, or was it *extremely* dark in the arena. Looked very odd. That, and with all the people so close to the court, made it seem likes I was wathing an MTV Rock N Jock game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shanghai Kid 2003 Report post Posted February 10, 2003 Look, if your a fan of Basketball, than you'll at least respect MJ enough to know that he deserved the huge BJ he got this weekend. He's given the fans more exciting plays, more buzzer beaters, and more sheer determination than anybody, and he's never asked for anything in return. He's high class, he's never said that he's the greatest, he's never asked for any celebration of his career, he's nothing but humbled. Yet some of you who are "too cool or too smarkish" to go with the crowd just don't understand it. Hello Mcfly, Micheal Jordan made the NBA what it is today. No man is bigger than the game, but he's the only one that comes close. He's made more money for the sport than anybody ever will. So many people have made a living off of him, that it's ridiculas. I can't believe people are stupid enough to say "Fuck Jordan, fuck his legacy, he doesn't deserve to go out in style" This is probably coming from assholes who didn't watch Jordan play in his prime, just the new wave of fans looking in from a glass window. It pisses me off to no extent that people who piss on Jordans legacy actually call themselves basketball fans. Look, i'm a Wizards fan, and I know for a fact that Jerry Stackhouse should of been there instead of Jordan. At the same time, I don't care if Jordan was averaging 12 points a game, he deserves to be in the last All Star Game regardless of what anybody says. Jordan has in no way tarnished his legacy by coming to the Wizards. Not only does he make the team better, but how many people at his age put up 45 and 41 points? Did any of you see that game? If you didn't, than you can't tell me that MJ isn't one of the top 25 players in the league. And for the guy who said Wizards won't make the playoffs, fuck off. The East is wide open and the Wizards have more talent than Orlando, New Orleans, Philadelphia, and Boston. And when they get to the playoffs, MJ will take them pass the first round. By the way, MJ is the greatest player ever. Wilt was great, but I have a whole buckload of reasons why MJ is better. We'll need another thread to contain that shit. Vince Carter did the worst thing he could of possibly done. He backed down and let people force him into changing his mind. Some will respect him, and some will think he's a bitch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shanghai Kid 2003 Report post Posted February 10, 2003 BTW, if Iverson played like that in all his games, his team would be competing to win the East. Iverson really had the best game of anybody on the court. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Fett Report post Posted February 10, 2003 I think Jordan handled the situation as well as anyone could. He did as much as he could to emphasize that his time is over and that there is a new group of talent in the NBA. He never asked for any of the ceremonies he received. He never asked to start. The only reason he probably agreed to that was to save any more ridicule Carter would receive. As much as I got tired of all the tributes, I really can't put the blame on Jordan. Blame it on the NBA and TNT for trying to milk every last cent they can from Jordan before he retires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest starvenger Report post Posted February 10, 2003 I think Jordan handled the situation as well as anyone could. He did as much as he could to emphasize that his time is over and that there is a new group of talent in the NBA. He never asked for any of the ceremonies he received. He never asked to start. The only reason he probably agreed to that was to save any more ridicule Carter would receive. As much as I got tired of all the tributes, I really can't put the blame on Jordan. Blame it on the NBA and TNT for trying to milk every last cent they can from Jordan before he retires. That's basically how I feel. The last I checked, there were 23 other guys playing, not just Jordan. Jordan deserves his props, but the level that the NBA and TNT went to give them to him were absurd. If no man is bigger than the game, why are they making him look as such? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lethargic Report post Posted February 10, 2003 The problem is that Jordan has went out on top with all the BJs he wanted twice before. He has gotten his "props" several times. How many more times do we have to sit through it? Call me crazy, but I'd say going out with a title winning shot means more to him than having Mariah Carey sing two shitty songs and then blowing the all-star game for his team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shanghai Kid 2003 Report post Posted February 10, 2003 the NBA feels like the first two times Jordan retired, they were abrupt, and just came at the end of the season out of nowhere. So they've been treating this whole season as a tribute to MJ...since they actually know he's retiring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest starvenger Report post Posted February 10, 2003 Call me crazy, but I'd say going out with a title winning shot means more to him than having Mariah Carey sing two shitty songs and then blowing the all-star game for his team. You're crazy. What could be better than being fellated by Mariah Carey? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Electrifyer Report post Posted February 10, 2003 Odd how the fans voted in Carter instead of Jordan, yet when in the players got introduced, Carter got boos and Jordan was cheered heavily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest notJames Report post Posted February 10, 2003 Media conditioning. Once it was apparent Carter wanted to keep his roster spot, everyone jumped on it... players, coaches, sportswriters, etc. He was essentially written up as a selfish primadonna who didn't want to "sacrifice for the greater good" of the MJ farewell tribute extravaganza. So when he relented and gave it up to Jordan, it was too late. The fans were already inundated with all the anti-Carter propaganda, so much so that they forgot that they were the ones who wanted him in in the first place. Never underestimate the power of a well-oiled smear campaign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted February 10, 2003 The problem is that Jordan has went out on top with all the BJs he wanted twice before. He has gotten his "props" several times. How many more times do we have to sit through it? Call me crazy, but I'd say going out with a title winning shot means more to him than having Mariah Carey sing two shitty songs and then blowing the all-star game for his team. That is my problem with the whole thing. One goodbye you deserve all the accolades in the world. A second one, well it was announced so there is no problem with a farewell. By now I just don't give a shit. And I was listening to WIP (Philly sports talk) and the guy was talking about how Jordan should have had this storybook ending and that the ref robbed him. Then he went on to say that it might have been a good idea for Kobe to miss two of the three. WTF!?! He went out on top to do his baseball thing, then he went out with the shot to head into real retirement. How many storybook endings do you get? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crucifixio Jones Report post Posted February 10, 2003 People need to get off of this whole "The fans voted Vince Carter to start" shit. Fans vote for the most popular players that they want to see play. (which is why KOBE was the #1 vote-getter) I don't think there's ONE Vince Carter fan out there who cares if he actually STARTED or not in the rotation as long as he PLAYED. They voted for him to PLAY, not to START, it's just that the top vote-getters get to start the game. The fans, much like the fans in most sports, don't know DICK or else they wouldn't have voted for Carter at all seeing as how he only played 13 games all season. They don't give a fuck about strategizing or who in the hell actually STARTS the game. Jamal Mashburn makes the All-Star team but Ray Allen doesn't? You tell ME how smart NBA fans really are. Vince should've long ago offered his spot to MJ since he is the greatest to ever play the game. Using the fans as his excuse was weak. It's not like it'd be the first time ever in NBA history some one gave up their spot. The only thing that stank to me about the whole incident is how MJ kept saying that the weekend belonged to the younger generation of stars and that he DID NOT WANT to start, yet when Vince finally relinquished his spot, Jordan jumped right on it. Jordan should've turned it down again if he truly didn't want to start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lethargic Report post Posted February 11, 2003 Mashburn wasn't voted onto the team by the fans. He was a coaches choice. And of course he should've been on there over Ray Allen. What has Allen done this year? Mashburn has deserved to be on there for years and this was his first shot. There were probably 5 guys behind him before Allen would've sniffed a spot. The Bucks suck this year. That's going to reflect on the player unless he's having a great season. Allen isn't have a great season. Not a bad season, but nothing that should make him rise above the horrible season his team is having to get on the All-Star team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted February 11, 2003 Two pics from the game that I liked.. and the second.. just a great picture for the ages Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DVD Spree Report post Posted February 11, 2003 I can't believe people are stupid enough to say "Fuck Jordan, fuck his legacy, he doesn't deserve to go out in style" This is probably coming from assholes who didn't watch Jordan play in his prime, just the new wave of fans looking in from a glass window. It pisses me off to no extent that people who piss on Jordans legacy actually call themselves basketball fans. If that was directed at me, FUCK YOU. If it wasn't, apologies for being so impetuous. I'm getting flamed all over the fucking place... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shanghai Kid 2003 Report post Posted February 11, 2003 If it was you who said the comments, than it is directed towards you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted February 11, 2003 Two pics from the game that I liked.. Can't wait for the Video... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lethargic Report post Posted February 11, 2003 Conpiracy theories are already starting that Isiah told O'Neal to foul Kobe on that last play to make sure Jordan didn't actually hit the game winner. hahahaha Isiah killed Kurt Cobain! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Johnson1620 Report post Posted February 11, 2003 I haven't read this entire thread, but to be honest with you I couldn't. I was really getting sick. Listening to these dumbasses compare Jordan to HHH is stupid. If it wasn't for Jordan then the NBA wouldn't be what it is today. He revolutionized the game. So to say that he doesn't deserve all the hype he was given is just ignorant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ant_7000 Report post Posted February 11, 2003 Whats with the Jordan hating on this board? I think some of you guys are just mad because he broke your favorite teams hearts. Im a MJ fan and watch alot of his games here in Chicago, and he is the greatest ball player I ever seen. MJ tribute at halftime was excessive but it was well deserved so I wasn't mad at that. I wish every all-star game will have a roster spot for a great career player that is retiring once the season is over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted February 11, 2003 Like David Robinson? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ant_7000 Report post Posted February 11, 2003 Yea like Robinson, Stockton and Malone too eventhough they haven't gone public about retiring yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted February 11, 2003 Whats with the Jordan hating on this board? I think some of you guys are just mad because he broke your favorite teams hearts. Im a MJ fan and watch alot of his games here in Chicago, and he is the greatest ball player I ever seen. MJ tribute at halftime was excessive but it was well deserved so I wasn't mad at that. I wish every all-star game will have a roster spot for a great career player that is retiring once the season is over. I don't have A team. I know the truth...Wilt Chamberlin was better than Jordan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lethargic Report post Posted February 11, 2003 Yea like Robinson, Stockton and Malone too eventhough they haven't gone public about retiring yet. Robinson and Stockton have gone public with it. This is their last years. And no, I don't think Jordan is the best player in the history of the league. I don't really believe there is a way to determine that. He may be the best you've ever seen but I doubt you were around to watch Wilt Chamberlain or Oscar Robinson or Kareem in his prime or many other people enough to truly gauge that. It's impossible to compare players from one generation to the next. If you went strictly by numbers to judge that I'd vote for Oscar Robinson. Today it's great for a player to get 10-15 triple doubles a season. Oscar averaged a triple double for an entire year. 31 points, 13 rebounds, 11 assists. That's crazy. Nobody will ever do that again. Jordan did great things for the league but he also helped lead to a lot of it's problems. The show boating, the lack of team play, the emphasis on athletic ability rather than skill, turning the league into a constant dunk contest night after night, the slowed down boring one on one game, the friggin shoe commercials. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NaturalBornThriller4:20 Report post Posted February 11, 2003 Lethargic, you must be a Knick Fan. Maybe a Pistons Fan. You might even be Rick Mahorn... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nl5xsk1 Report post Posted February 12, 2003 I'm not a fan of the NBA, and Jordan is one of the main reasons why. I dug it in the mid-80s (the Bird and Magic era) and the late-80s/early 90s. But I just always felt that the league gave the Bulls a push knowing that MJ was their cash-cow. Like, if he got touched at all, it's a foul, but could push off and no foul would be called against him. Especially in the playoffs. And I never dug the idea of him scoring 35 points on 13 for 35 shooting (if I shot 35 times a game I would get mad points, too) - better to be 13 for 25 and get the 10 extra assists. Also, on a much more petty level, I hated it when people said that Gretzky was the Jordan of hockey: wake up, people, Gretzky was doing it when MJ was in high school, and re-wrote the record book like Jordan couldn't even imagine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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