Guest SPwasmurdered Report post Posted February 12, 2003 Tyler, I'm not taking issue with you or your lifestyle or any of that. It isn't about the thread itself. My concern is that we're supporting a gang mentality here and that not everyone is getting nailed when they should. Rob baited you, you baited him, flaming ensued. All I'm saying is that all involved should be dealt with and not just one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted February 12, 2003 This isn't about Religion, or homosexuality or the Holocaust, Zsasz. I disagree, Rob's beliefs are at the very HEART of the matter. His attitude, his high-handedness, his propensity for presenting unsubstanciated arguments is what got him hated. But his hissy fits got him banned. And they'd get ANYONE banned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tyler McClelland Report post Posted February 12, 2003 I'm not gay, moron. That was the entire point. He baited ME into a fight, I simply was smarter than he and hit him where I knew it would hurt him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SPwasmurdered Report post Posted February 12, 2003 I'm not calling for the others to be banned. I'm just saying that all parties need to be dealt with as they deserve. In Rob's case, his ass got banned. In the case of people who bait, depending on their warnings, they should be warned and/or banned accordingly. Not ignored, though, simply because Rob was hated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tyler McClelland Report post Posted February 12, 2003 Warn me, ban me, whatever. I'm not wrong, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SPwasmurdered Report post Posted February 12, 2003 I'm not gay, moron. That was the entire point. He baited ME into a fight, I simply was smarter than he and hit him where I knew it would hurt him. I apologize, Tyler. I read it as if you were upset because it was your chosen lifestyle. But calling me a moron is hardly a needed response. I misunderstood, and now I apologize. If you made retaliatory comments like that in any other folder, I'd say that was baiting me into flaming you. Unlike Rob, I can avoid that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tyler McClelland Report post Posted February 12, 2003 It's all good. I don't take lightly to when people insult me, thus the derisive "moron" on the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted February 12, 2003 SP- How would you have responded to Rob's posts in Current Events? We tried logical arguments, gave sources for our opinions all that stuff- and he just acted like a complete ass after a while. After a while it just gets frustrating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ace309 Report post Posted February 12, 2003 If Johnstone wanted civil conversation, he could have ignored the flamebaits and responded to... I don't know... my posts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SPwasmurdered Report post Posted February 12, 2003 Bob, I'd have likely countered him and after he gave a Rob reply I'd have simply said that there's no arguing with him and left the thread. You don't always have to have the final word. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted February 12, 2003 If Johnstone wanted civil conversation, he could have ignored the flamebaits and responded to... I don't know... my posts? Or my posts. Or barron's. Or Jobber's. NO, he knew he was losing the "gays are dirty" argument, so he shifted to the "Holocaust never happened, but don't call me anti-Semitic because Jesus was a Jew" argument. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SPwasmurdered Report post Posted February 12, 2003 It's all good. I don't take lightly to when people insult me, thus the derisive "moron" on the end. I don't blame you. I don't take lightly to it either. This was never about you specifically, but about things on the board as a whole. People have whacked out ideas, we all do sooner or later. Hell it was crazy of me to try and tackle this particular subject. But, I simply want to make sure that civil conversation is still being promoted, especially in CE. I don't even go in there too very often but I don't wish to see some things go ignored that shouldn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted February 12, 2003 So Rob was essentially wasting bandwith then by starting threads and wasting responses with them. The whole 'I'm gonna walk away' thing is also percieved as surrendering the argument. I'm not saying it's right but it's how a lot of people woud percieve you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tyler McClelland Report post Posted February 12, 2003 Also, one of the main reasons I stopped using logic was because Rob simply regarded it as "liberal propaganda". After that, I pretty much just let him hang himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Samurai_Goat Report post Posted February 12, 2003 I would like to say that, from what I've seen, Dr. Tom does not ban many people on CE for simple flames and flamebaiting to an extent, because people do get a little high strung and caught up in arguements, so it's understandable people will express that with language. So when he bans someone from CE, it's pretty serious. I'd trust Tom on this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SPwasmurdered Report post Posted February 12, 2003 So Rob was essentially wasting bandwith then by starting threads and wasting responses with them. The whole 'I'm gonna walk away' thing is also percieved as surrendering the argument. I'm not saying it's right but it's how a lot of people woud percieve you That's why I don't do things for how people percieve me. You ultimately fail if you do that. I voice my opinions because they are mine. If I worried about what everyone else thought, this surely isn't the subject I'd be vocal about now is it? I trust the intelligent people that are around to figure out what's going on if I drop a given discussion, and the rest I don't really think about. Sure. Rob was wasting bandwidth with some of that crap. That's not my point. My point is simply that simply because everyone dislikes someone isn't reason to forget that others are involved in any given thing. If it's in here I don't care. But in folders like CE, I think we need to have no fear of voicing our opinions on something and the opposition being overlooked when they are wrong simply because someone else is just majorly disliked. That, to me, is wrong. Just as wrong as racial slurs and the like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SPwasmurdered Report post Posted February 12, 2003 Also, one of the main reasons I stopped using logic was because Rob simply regarded it as "liberal propaganda". After that, I pretty much just let him hang himself. Yeah but, why carry on arguing in such a heated discussion? Just let him naturally hang himself. It's simple. And if he tries to call you out, report it as baiting and let the mods do the rest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tyler McClelland Report post Posted February 12, 2003 Heated argument was a vendetta for his insult, really. Also, as a Catholic, I was insulted by his basis that his closed-minded views were based on "Christian values" at times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SPwasmurdered Report post Posted February 12, 2003 Heated argument was a vendetta for his insult, really. Also, as a Catholic, I was insulted by his basis that his closed-minded views were based on "Christian values" at times. As a Christian I have to ask myself the same thing at times. Now. I hope that you understand that I wasn't defending Rob or his views. I'm just trying to point out that accountability needs to be shared by all. Even me if I do some shit somewhere down the line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Samurai_Goat Report post Posted February 12, 2003 SP, I want to officially recognize that you are not defending Rob or his views. You just want to make sure accountablility is shared by all the guilty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tyler McClelland Report post Posted February 12, 2003 It's all good. I don't think we know all the factors that went into it, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SPwasmurdered Report post Posted February 12, 2003 We may not. Damn heated topics get the best of us all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tyler McClelland Report post Posted February 12, 2003 You baited it BAN PLZ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SPwasmurdered Report post Posted February 12, 2003 The joys of NHB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sassquatch Report post Posted February 12, 2003 I'm getting misty eyed from all this. *tears up* Oh and Johnstone was a toad if I ever knew one. He dug his own hole and the admins just filled it up with the dirt he dug up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted February 12, 2003 If I were to admit that I took something that did bug me and turned into an effort to stir shit up in NHB for no apparent reason, would I be labeled Banky Lite? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest IDrinkRatsMilk Report post Posted February 12, 2003 If I were to admit that I took something that did bug me and turned into an effort to stir shit up in NHB for no apparent reason, would I be labeled Banky Lite? That label is taken. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted February 12, 2003 Bastard. In the absence of CWM I need a new role model. I'll just start calling my self SpiderSass then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooseCannon Report post Posted February 12, 2003 Frankly, I think anyone that continued to argue with Rob despite his glaring obstinance and the obvious futility of continuing such arguments, is just as fucking stupid as he is. I'm not gonna say the guy shouldn't have been banned, because today I'm not much in the mood of telling the mods how to run this board. I'm no fan of Rob, anyway. But, I'm no fan of the people who made sport out of antagonizing the retard either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheCynicalHateMongerFromHell Report post Posted February 12, 2003 Fuck Banky Edwards, I'm the one who made the bitch tick. The LWO Kid in him took over, made him a pussy. I'm the bitch in him. 100% bitch, prick, cunt, cock, ass, rectum, dickweed, and cock knocker. In other words, I am going to be banned in about 2 days. I'll be castrated back to Banky soon, unfortunately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
