Guest Brian Report post Posted February 14, 2003 He's gotten the upperhand twice. They have six weeks. They used this week as a lead to next week, not as some consequential piece of their feud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 14, 2003 All Brian and I are saying is that if Brock gets the upper hand again next week then you guys are right but right now it looks like Team Angle has outsmarted him And we are trying to say it looks better if Angle isn't clearly no match for Brock. For christ sakes, this is the "challenger getting back at the people who wronged him" storyline. The basic jist is that He FINALLY gets his hands on the guy(s) in the blow off. When he gets his hands on said guy every week and gets ALL the offense, it kind of ruins the magic of the blow off. Right now, this feud is the VERY definition of "When, not if." There is NO QUESTION as to what will happen whan Brock gets Angle one on one at Mania, because SHIT, look what happens when he gets him one on three? You want there to be SOME doubt in the minds of the fans. When the challenger goes over the champ without giving up any offense every week, that doubt is kind of diminished. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2003 Hey, Booker getting in the RAW main event was not worst case scenario. I still think you're being overly cynical. I still think if you look at things from a logical standpoint rather than a biased view, you're going to see that this week was used to lead into next week. So if next week the same thing happens, you have a right to complain. But it's just fodder for a match they're obviously going to pull a bait-and-switch for, and we'll have to see whether Angle can get revenge. If he doesn't, you're right. But the point is we've been hearing that over and over and it never happens. If I had a dime for everytime I hear "wait until next week....or wait until he debuts.....or wait until the ppv" I'd be pretty well off. Haven't we learned our lesson yet? Even if he does beat down Lesnar next week how much damage has been done so far? It's like Jericho finally getting a sledgehammer shot in on HHH a week before WrestleMania last year....too little too late. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted February 14, 2003 Well for one thing, the fans don't really care about Brock Lesnar. Angle is paying such a good heel that it doesn't matter who is thrown in against him. Ever since Heyman and Brock split, Brock has become another dull hoss. He isn't horrible in the ring, but he isn't anything special either. So he can do a SSP, big deal that is a nice way to end the match, but how about the rest of the match? I shudder to think that the future ME of Smackdown is possibly gonna be Brock the face(chuckles loudly) vs. Nothing Jones. It is sad, very sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted February 14, 2003 Even if he does beat down Lesnar next week how much damage has been done so far? It's like Jericho finally getting a sledgehammer shot in on HHH a week before WrestleMania last year....too little too late. Huh? There's really no comparison between this year and last year since they are actually focusing on the WM main event for longer than 3 weeks unlike last year where HHH/Jericho was put off to the side for HHH/Angle at NWO 2002. When Angle's cleaning up doh shit due to Heyman's puppy going poopy on the dressing room floor, I'll bitch then. I just don't have the time or the inclination to worry about keeping a scorecard of how many times one wrestler's trumped another leading into a big match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 14, 2003 I just don't have the time or the inclination to worry about keeping a scorecard of how many times one wrestler's trumped another leading into a big match. You don't need a scorecard to realize that Angle hasn't even gotten any offense it. And he's the evil heel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2003 The problem is it doesn't matter what we say. Why we're bitching is because of what the marks will say. Look at the WWE marks........think like they do.....put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself what are they thinking about Angle right now? Brock is still getting pretty good face pops from the crowd and they see him constantly go over Angle and Team Angle how long does it take before they write Angle off as "good as dead"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 14, 2003 they see him constantly go over Angle and Team Angle how long does it take before they write Angle off as "good as dead"? Hell, the leg breaking nonsense did THAT. But they had an opportunity to make it up. Great job. Everyone, let's just look at it this way. Angle can't last two minutes with Brock. So Angle looks bad. But he can take Eddy, Chavo, Benoit, Rey and Edge. So they look bad. They can't beat the guy who is nothing more than a punching bag for Brock. It Hurts EVERYONE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted February 14, 2003 Look at the WWE marks........think like they do.....put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself what are they thinking about Angle right now? The same thing they thought about HBK when he faced Austin in 98? Hell, the situations are almost identical except that Micheals was rarely doing anything physical due to the back injury. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted February 14, 2003 Well for one thing, the fans don't really care about Brock Lesnar. Angle is paying such a good heel that it doesn't matter who is thrown in against him. Ever since Heyman and Brock split, Brock has become another dull hoss. He isn't horrible in the ring, but he isn't anything special either. So he can do a SSP, big deal that is a nice way to end the match, but how about the rest of the match? I shudder to think that the future ME of Smackdown is possibly gonna be Brock the face(chuckles loudly) vs. Nothing Jones. It is sad, very sad. One difference between Brock and the rest is that Brock is actually mega over. At MSG he got the loudest pop of the night and the crowd expoloded for everything he did. They're actually making the title match seem important this year rather then last year where it seemed like they went: Oops- we kinda forgot about Triple H v. Jericho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2003 Look at the WWE marks........think like they do.....put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself what are they thinking about Angle right now? The same thing they thought about HBK when he faced Austin in 98? Hell, the situations are almost identical except that Micheals was rarely doing anything physical due to the back injury. The marks all knew Austin was going to win there was no doubt there at all. Just like most of the marks you ask right now would say Brock is going to win because he looks so much stronger than Angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted February 14, 2003 Not really- remember Tyson was a big wild card at the time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted February 14, 2003 So all it took to make that match look like Michaels could win was bringing in Mike Tyson? I don't really think that is affordable this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 14, 2003 Look at the WWE marks........think like they do.....put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself what are they thinking about Angle right now? The same thing they thought about HBK when he faced Austin in 98? Hell, the situations are almost identical except that Micheals was rarely doing anything physical due to the back injury. DX still looked dangerous against Austin. And Michaels was retiring after the match! Angle is still here and very valuable. They're actually making the title match seem important this year HOW? They've made it CLEAR that Angle has no prayer of even getting in an offensive move on Brock, that is giving the finish away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted February 14, 2003 Kurt Angle...Chris Jericho 2003!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted February 14, 2003 oh, and I'M BACK!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted February 14, 2003 Please for the love of god don't even joke about that. I have seen my guy's career go down the toilet don't even joke about the same happening to Angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2003 Not really- remember Tyson was a big wild card at the time So if you went up to a mark in '98 and said who's gonna win at WrestleMania? They would have been all, "Austin cause he rooooools hell yeah!!" Marks are easy to mold. They see wrestler A look strong and make wrestler B their bitch. Marks think Wrestler A cannot be beat and that wrestler B is a loser. Granted that didn't happen in Austin/HBK, but at that point Austin was so freakin cool that even HBK and Tyson didn't hold up in marks' minds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 14, 2003 Kurt Angle...Chris Jericho 2003!!! No, because Angle is credible except in any situation dealing with Brock. It's really strange. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2003 If......and this is a big if.......they use the next few weeks until WM wisely they could turn this around. Whatever happened to the face fighting back from adversity to finally beat the heel kind of writing? It makes for a MUCH bigger pop at the payoff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted February 14, 2003 'Sault is definitely right. It is rediculous the amount of momentum that is in Brock's favor heading towards Wrestlemania, unless for some reason Angle wins it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 14, 2003 Yeah, really. Do you want the fans to get all "Deja Vu" at Mania when Brock beats Angle? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted February 14, 2003 But the point is were bitching about a segment that's being used to build up a match for next week, and serves the purpose as a lead-in rather than a defining point in their feud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 14, 2003 Angle pasting Brock with a chair couldn't set up for the match next week? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted February 14, 2003 No of course not. You're supposed to be excited about the match because they'll both be 100% healthy. Angle whacking Lesnar with the chair would've hurt the buildup for next week Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted February 14, 2003 At this point though what is the difference between meaningful showdowns and showdowns setting up next week when they are all the same and the results are always the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2003 Oh........so all this is for a match next week that makes it worse since the cut off point on the build up to this match next week ends with Kurt having no offense yet in the feud. Which means next week might be the WWE testing the waters to see if it's WM Main Event material and will base it off a one sided build up so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Just call me Dan Report post Posted February 14, 2003 What about Cena? He was also completely buried. Shit, Cena got 3x the offense of every memeber of Team Angle combined that night. Not to mention Brock used an exposed turnbuckle to put him away. Cena was kept a hell of a lot stronger than anyone, and I myself thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted February 14, 2003 DX still looked dangerous against Austin. And Michaels was retiring after the match! Angle is still here and very valuable. I'm trying to figure out exactly when DX actually looked strong against Austin. Also, HBK's retirement doesn't play into it because he still looked like a bitch, Mike Tyson or not. Granted that didn't happen in Austin/HBK, but at that point Austin was so freakin cool that even HBK and Tyson didn't hold up in marks' minds Oh, come ON now... I'm a friggin' Austin mark and even I wondered why HBK hardly ever went over during that feud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted February 14, 2003 No of course not. You're supposed to be excited about the match because they'll both be 100% healthy. Angle whacking Lesnar with the chair would've hurt the buildup for next week So, the obvious way to make them both look healthy is to have Brock beat the living shit out of Angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
