Guest The Hamburglar Posted February 19, 2003 Report Posted February 19, 2003 Why the bitching? I thought people wanted Team Angle to beat down Brock? That's what happened, after all. That gauntlet match formula is age-old. Austin's done it, Benoit did it to the Radicalz, big whoop. What, you think Shelton or Charlie should be allowed to score a pinfall over Brock? Is that crack stimulating? Anyways, I am king, I predicted the gauntlet match scenario. I should receive a cookie.
Guest nikowwf Posted February 19, 2003 Report Posted February 19, 2003 Super Babyfaces squashes heels...heels beatdown face afterwards...face gets win back at mania. Yes, its a terrible formula...never worked, never will... niko
Guest Goodear Posted February 19, 2003 Report Posted February 19, 2003 Yeah cause that whole Horsemen thing was a bomb for the NWA.
Guest Angle-plex Posted February 19, 2003 Report Posted February 19, 2003 This is the first match on your Velocity tapings. Wait......they're MY velocity tapings? I have my own WWE TV show and nobody told me?! This is the first time I'll be able to watch Smackdown since October. Sounds like a good show (better than RAW anyways).
Guest FeArHaVoC Posted February 19, 2003 Report Posted February 19, 2003 What, did O'Haire and Spanky get Too Over?
Guest Anglesault Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 I hate this feud. I really do.
Guest the pinjockey Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 Wait til next week AS, Team Angle will go over then, I am sure of it.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 This is like Inspector Gadget. Every episode, Claw vowed revenge on IG. After like the 50th defeat, even the densest of viewers realized that "Next week" wouldn't be any different.
Guest Brian Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 I'm going to wait to see how it goes down, but it doesn't look good. This was their chance, and they blew it.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 No, their 'chance' is at and after No Way Out. The tides will change.
Guest Brian Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 Fuck, their chance was Thursday. You have Brock lured into this perfect trap, Angle in a match that can't really happen, and a big tease.
Guest Polish_Rifle Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 All this MASSIVE Lesner push is making me hate the guy more and more. Is this what they are trying to accomplish? At least, Matt Hardy won a match.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 They have plenty of chances ahead. They could add someone new to the storyline (Rhyno), they could still give Brock an injury at NWO, they could have Angle come out and totally school him and say he was pretending all this time being scared of him - that he was building up Lesnars confidence so that he couldn't prepare properly for the Olympic Athlete, there are plenty of things that can happen in a months time. The only time I have been annoyed with the Uber-Push for Lesnar is when he was being 'taken out' by the police - and he was talking back and basically being Steve Austin. That was just bad. The Law + Wrestling = Bad. Oh, and the fact that Benoit and the Guerreros have to build up the heels bothers me too. And the fact that Haas and Benjamin aren't used as they really should be. I liked the fact that they were 'specialized' for Brock - but they haven't really done anything to show this. Benjamin hasn't really done anything to show that he 'knows' Brock Lesnar, and Haas hasn't showed that he is the 'next kurt angle'.
Guest Brian Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 I'd like to think that, but really if the WWE hasn't done it by now and given their track record, it's probably not going to happen. Like I send, it depends how they treat this and what makes TV, but this was the perfect opportunity to get something started.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 So was last week. And the week before that. And that week after the Rumble where Brock bored the living shit out of everyone doing a promo. And any week bewteen the week after Armageddon and the Rumble.
Guest Brian Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 This week was set-up for a beatdown though. Everything from all the teases was building up for the big tease now. The one where Angle takes it all away from Brock. This was the perfect moment to turn the tide, better than anything else in the past. Momentum into the pay per view, more heat on Angle, everything was perfect to go.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 They have 5 Smackdowns and PPV. I'd suspect something will come up in the next 2 weeks. 3 Weeks of build, anticipation, etc. is good. It's not too much, it's not 'nothing'.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 I still don't believe that there should have been a tide to turn. You are dealing with the World Champion, the Tag Champions, and an Evil Genius backing them up, with a fat guy lurking in the background if need be. It's not all that plausible that Brock can DESTROY the three greatest wrestlers on SD! ( That's what the belts are supposed to mean, aren't they?) without breaking a sweat.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 If they did something after Armageddon that means 3 months worth of build. That's WAY too much for Brock vs. Kurt. You want their first real encounter to be at WM - and in 3 months the WWE would let it slip. To build proper anticipation for the MATCH you can't hotshot it. Not to mention the feud doesn't necessarily have to end at WM.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 They have 5 Smackdowns and PPV. I'd suspect something will come up in the next 2 weeks. 3 Weeks of build, anticipation, etc. is good. Now, if by good you mean total shit and absolutely unacceptable, you are correct sir. The Wrestlemania Main Event getting THREE WEEKS of decent build? THREE SHOWS? Good Lord. That will make this a match to remember.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 And so what? Do you expect Brock to get beaten down EVERY SINGLE WEEK up until Wrestlemania? So from Armageddon on it's just beat down after beat down, after beat down...
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 Well no, the feud - as a whole - has been building 'technically' since Brocks arrival - ever since they said he was an amateur wrestler it was inserted into peoples minds that he and Angle would meet in the ring. I believe they had a confrontation just before Vengeance. Then there is Brock vs. Big Show which was a transition into Brock vs. Angle. Brock vs. Angle started unofficially when Brock took out Angle, and officially started after the Royal Rumble. The feud will pick up and get focused on and hyped with 3 weeks. Brocks decent will most likely occur within 2 weeks (possibly - most likely - at no way out) and he will have to work his way up from that in the 3/4 weeks that remain. That's plenty of time.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 If they did something after Armageddon that means 3 months worth of build. That's WAY too much for Brock vs. Kurt. You want their first real encounter to be at WM - and in 3 months the WWE would let it slip. To build proper anticipation for the MATCH you can't hotshot it. Not to mention the feud doesn't necessarily have to end at WM. But having the challenger who is supposedly fighting all the odds beat the living shit out of the champion and his back up mulitple times does WONDERS for the feud. And so what? Do you expect Brock to get beaten down EVERY SINGLE WEEK up until Wrestlemania? Pretty much, yeah. Make Angle to be a real ratfuck bastard who constantly gets the best of Brock using sneak attacks, 3 on 1s, weapons, traps, set ups. Make it look like Angle can outsmart and dfeat Brock at the PPV. So from Armageddon on it's just beat down after beat down, after beat down... Build some sympathy for the man. And the face destroying the heel every week is somehow better?
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 How did Brock get over - as the sympathetic pawn of Paul Heyman who everyone felt sorry for or the Ass Kicking Beast?
Guest Brian Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 Concurred. Brock needed to look strong at first, because the first few confrontations are going to be purely physical. Not that strong, but he needed to come out strong. Then everything gets going. Heyman starts coordinating thing, Benjamin starts letting Angle in on some of the weaknesses, and Angle starts to be a little more shady but a lot more methodical and psychological.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 Yeah, Brocks 'uphill' battle shouldn't be sympathetic, it should be frustrating. We know Brock can beat these guys, it's just circumstances (be it injury or heel tactics or whatever) have made it very difficult and it should piss everyone off that it's happening (everyone that is not an angle fan, of course). The WM match puts in question: after everything that has happened, can Brock win? Will Angle get his just due? Will Brocks (and vicariously our) frustration finally get paid back in full - will the volcano erupt - in the match?
Guest Anglesault Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 How did Brock get over - as the sympathetic pawn of Paul Heyman who everyone felt sorry for or the Ass Kicking Beast? But this makes the champion nothing more than fodder. You have a man who destroys everything in sight, manhandles the champion REPEATEDLY, noth letting the guy get an offensive move in, and you expect the Main Event the biggest show of the year to be at all intriguing. They have built it up as Heyman being a bumbling moron, Benjamin and Haas having exactly zero value, and Angle being a total bitch who can't even avoid the man properly or get an avantage over a guy with multiple people backing him up. Or, we can look at it this way. Jeff Hardy had more offense in his feud with Brock than Angle has.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 Yeah, Brocks 'uphill' battle shouldn't be sympathetic, it should be frustrating. We know Brock can beat these guys, Well, if that isn't the perfect set up for ANOTHER midcard demotion for Angle, I have no idea what is. So basically, the genral feel for this feud is "ANGLE SUCKS, and it's just a matter of time until brock gets him where he wants him." I HATE this company.
Guest Anglesault Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 Yeah, Brocks 'uphill' battle shouldn't be sympathetic, it should be frustrating. We know Brock can beat these guys, Well, if that isn't the perfect set up for ANOTHER midcard demotion for Angle, I have no idea what is. So basically, the genral feel for this feud is "ANGLE SUCKS, and it's just a matter of time until brock gets him where he wants him." I HATE this company.
Guest Brian Posted February 20, 2003 Report Posted February 20, 2003 It should be "we know physically that Brock has an advantage". Because mentally, Angle, Team Angle, and Heyman should have all the cards.
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