Guest MrRant Report post Posted March 2, 2003 Any thoughts on the fight? I was able to catch most of it here at work and thought it was kindof on the boring side at spots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted March 2, 2003 Who won? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted March 2, 2003 Jones Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted March 2, 2003 Jones Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted March 2, 2003 Jones won EASILY Did anyone else think Ruiz looked like he was trying to walk in quicksand during the match? I knew Ruiz was in trouble when he came out looking stiff and very tense. From watching old school Tyson I know when someone looks tense coming out he's likely fucked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted March 2, 2003 I haven't watched it yet, but from what I hear, Jones ran circles around him. Come on already, HBO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted March 2, 2003 Ruiz was in trouble the moment the announcer said he was John Ruiz, and his opponent was Roy Jones Jr. I've always maintained that John Ruiz was not a deserving champion. Hopefully he joins the mediocre fighters of boxing where he belongs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted March 2, 2003 And after Ruiz lost he was quick to throw out excuses...like he was going through a divorce and his heart just wasn't into the fight. He had a couple others as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mad Dog Report post Posted March 2, 2003 Well I think we can officially bury the heavyweight division now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cartman Report post Posted March 2, 2003 Well I think we can officially bury the heavyweight division now. Bury heavyweight boxing completely for all I care. WWE is less scripted than Heavyweight Boxing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted March 2, 2003 It's funny how when boxers lose they've got all kinds of excuses, but when they win and the interviewer says something like, "How did you come in here tonight and fight despite your Dad's sickness?" They're like, "Oh man, I don't use excuses." Floyd Mayweather is the worst at that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted March 2, 2003 I'm thinking about making a run at the heavyweight division now. Nobody in it can fight anymore, and I want to beat the shit out of Lennox Lewis. Why did he have to mention that he didn't think that Roy Jones could beat him? Nobody was thinking about Lennox Lewis at all. Why did he need another platform to talk about how great he is? HIs half-assed trash talking irritates me almsot as much as the perception that he's a gentleman and a wonderful guy. Lewis is a pompous asshole and he can go eat a dick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Polish_Rifle Report post Posted March 3, 2003 John Ruiz is a bum. He is worst than Spider Rico. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted March 3, 2003 Well, Where does Jones go from here? Alot of Boxing people are saying that Jones-Bird is likely the next BIG Title match...and if you ask me here... Boxing Only has 4 potential draws remaining to use... Tyson-Holyfield III Tyson-Lewis II Jones-Lewis and Jones-Tyson... we NEED to get at least ONE of those this year... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted March 3, 2003 Does Jones have enough power to win any heavyweight fights by knockout? Cause if not he's a boring addition to the roster. And Tyson or Lewis would kill Jones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted March 3, 2003 Tyson in his prime would've killed him. Prosaz popping Tyson would lose to him. Jones won't fight Lewis anytime soon. Everyone even Jones knows he can't step up to the "super heavyweight" level yet if ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted March 3, 2003 Tyson won't fight Holyfield again because he's been beaten by him twice. He's likely to go the Foreman route and start fighting two or three bums in one night or something like that. Tyson doesn't have alot of desire anymore, he doesn't have the skills he used to have and his age is going to become a factor soon. The guy is almost forty years old, the age that Foreman was when he fought Holyfield in the "Battle of the Ages." Tyson has already said that he isn't exactly eager to fight Lennox Lewis, and he's fucked due to the fact that the places he can fight are limited. Is he going to fight someone every other weekend in Memphis to get the rounds that he says he needs? Furthermore, is Lennox going to wait for Tyson to fight wo or three more opponents before facing him again? I don't see Roy Jones fighting Lennox Lewis unless he gets delusions of grandeur. He gives up entirely too much size to fight Lewis. I don't see Jones fighting Tyson just because I can't see either man taking such a big risk. Tyson might take the fight if he loses to Lewis, but why risk it? Jones required a guaranteed $10 million to fight Ruiz, how much would it take for him to fight Tyson? Given Tyson's financial troubles, I don't think he would agree to the lopsided contract that Ruiz agreed to. Ruiz lost all of his credibility and possibly made a fifth of what Jones made for the fight. Tyson's lack of a boxing license is a huge factor in this. How many fighters can draw without having a title? More specifically, how many heavyweights can do it? Furthermore, what are Tyson's chances of regaining a title? Tyson represents a big pay day for most fighters, but if he lost to Jones, he wouldn't be that anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted March 3, 2003 Everyone knows that Jones won't be nearly as effective in the heavyweight division due to the fact that he's losing a considerable amount of speed and quickness in the step-up. Roy Jones was light-heavyweight before correct? Does anyone know of a fighter that made himself famous in a lighter division, than stepped and was still seen as a credible fighter? I don't follow the history so I wouldn't know. I should also point out that it's also funny that his only loss was due to him kicking too much ass, too fast. He might not beat Lewis, but he's still better pound for pound, so what's the problem? If he did beat Lewis, he'd reach mythical proportions in my humble opinion... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted March 3, 2003 Everyone knows that Jones won't be nearly as effective in the heavyweight division due to the fact that he's losing a considerable amount of speed and quickness in the step-up. How does the step up affect his speed and quickness? He had no problem with his speed and quickness with Ruiz. Jones is use to using his speed in long fights so he'd wear the bigger guys out before he gets tired. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted March 3, 2003 Lennox Lewis is a tall ass bastard. He knows how to use his reach and is a skilled boxer. I'm not saying Lewis is unbeatable because I enjoyed watching his head bounce off the canvas like a superball when he fought Rahman, but the chances of Jones beating him are very slim. Lewis is a bigger and better fighter than Ruiz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted March 3, 2003 I'm saying that when Jones gets to his "desired" weight, he will be a lot slower, and also, he only looked that quick when relative to Ruiz, a guy who has been pretty worthless for awhile now. He's giving up a lot when gaining that weight, it's only natural. I'm not saying he'd win, and in fact he'd probably lose. But if he *did* win, it would be mythical due to many factors involved. He still is the best boxer, pound for pound, and it's hard to deny that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted March 3, 2003 I doubt Jones will get that big. He's not going to get to a size where he can't box the style he's comfortable with. He'll probably go as big as he can go without losing his speed and quickness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted March 3, 2003 I wouldn't give Jones a chance in hell with Lewis unless he soundly pounded Byrd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted March 3, 2003 There is already talks of Roy Jones going back down in weight. The general feeling was, he only did the Ruiz fight to say he could do it, NOT to be a fulltime heavyweight fighter. Roy Jones is pound for pound the best, but he would get his ass handed to him by Lennox Lewis(who I despise) and both the Klitchko brothers. Probably even Tyson. Ruiz is a waste. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Polish_Rifle Report post Posted March 3, 2003 Jones should move back down and fight Bernard Hopkins because Chris Byrd is a real heavyweight version of Roy Jones. He can match speed and quickness with Roy and he could out jab Jones unlike Ruiz. Hopkins v Jones is where themoney will be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted March 3, 2003 If someone is giving you the distinction of being a better pound for pound fighter, it basically means that there are people bigger than you that you can't beat. Title or no title, Ruiz isn't that great of a fighter, which somewhat tarnishes what Jones did. Granted, there aren't alot of great fighters in the heavyweight division, but if Jones wants to really be a legend, he needs to man up and fight a heavyweight from the upper echolon. I'm not trying to take anything away from what Jones did, but I think it's a cop out for him to fight Ruiz and then act like he's the greatest boxer of all time. I don't want to hear him talk about being the best just because he's 1-0 in the heavyweight division. HIs championship doesn't impress me because the meaningful titles are at home around the waist of someone who Jones can't beat. Five years ago, Roy Jones wouldn't have had the chance to win a title because anyone who he would have agreed to face wouldn't have had one. Again, I don't want to tarnish what he did, but I really don't feel like hearing him talk his shit and write a rap song about how he's the greatest fighter in the universe. Greatest pound for pound fighter means that there are still people who can whip your ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted March 4, 2003 I didn't see the fight, it's the first big fight I've missed in a long time. I'm a fan of Ruiz if for no other reason than he's a local guy. But he is not a great or even a very good fighter. He beat Holyfield twice, but Evander is far from the "Real Deal". Ruiz will probably never get another title shot and it's a shame that Boston's Rocky-type guy is done. Now then: Tyson-Holyfield III Tyson-Lewis II Jones-Lewis and Jones-Tyson... Holyfield/Tyson and Lewix Tyson won't draw huge because Holyfield lost twice to Lewis and (basically) twice to Ruiz (who got killed by a light-weight and Lewis dismantled tyson in their fight. I'd like see Lewis beat the shit out of Roy Jones and Tyson knock his head off as well. I think those fights are all teh fledgling heavyweight divison has left. They need to build more stars, but it's hard because no one wants to see the pre-lim fighters and if no one sees them then they won't become draws. They need a new Tyson-type guy to knock people the fuck out in such a devastating way that people *HAVE* to watch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted March 4, 2003 But that goes back to the point of the so called federations MAKING the fighters fight opponents. I think if you are the WBC champ and they say you need to fight this guy because he is the #1 contender then the guy has to fight him... even if he's a relative nobody with like a 21-2 record or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted March 4, 2003 I think if you are the WBC champ and they say you need to fight this guy because he is the #1 contender then the guy has to fight him... even if he's a relative nobody with like a 21-2 record or something. The problem is, the #1 contender usually isn't the guy who's most deserving. Rather, its whoever Don King paid the sanctioning organization to rank. I'd rather ignore the sanctioning bodies altogether. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted March 4, 2003 I think Holyfield/Tyson III would be a HUGE draw if not purely on the basis of the Circus appeal of that match...No one will expect an classic scientific battle but people will love it like Hogan/Rock was... I just wish they would finally unify both titles and make ONE world title...No other organizations or fucking magazine bullshit...Have either the two champs straight up fight or have an 8 man Tourny over A year... Lewis Tyson Bird Kilitchsko (The good one) Klitchsko (The Lesser) Jones Jr. Holyfield Ruiz Have this bracket Holyfield Klitchsko (Good One) Tyson Ruiz Klitcsko (Lesser one) Lewis Bird Jones Have equal payment of the first round losers and winners.. $10 Million for the losers of 1st round...$15 Million for the winners... Have The four Matches aired on PPV...No HBO/Showtime crap... Have the first round begin Early 2004 and finish by May. Have legitimate Random drawings for Match dates...All Events held in 4 different Venues (Ceasers, MGM, Pyramid and ???). Start second round in August and that should conclued in Early October... Have the Finals In March in Madison Square Garden...Unify the titles permantly...Make alot of money...Sell the Pre-lims fighters and get them exposure...Ban Don King and Arum and might as well ban Vince McMahon just in cast from ringside. It seems Failproof if you put enough resources and neogotations into it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
