Who Marks for Brock?

[Guest saturnmark4life]

I agree with you, but whether you care about it or not he's going to drag a better match out of slugs like big show etc if he can hoist them around to move things along than if he couldn't.

[Guest Anglesault]

Angle and Benoit both had better matches with Show than Brock did.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

He bumped for them too, taking Angle Slams and a german. I agree with you, it's not all that matters by any stretch but it's got brock over, so it's a factor in success, especially in WWE where you're wrestling some of the biggest guys in the world a lot of the time.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

I preffered Lesnar's match with Show to Angle's.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I Mark For Brock....

 

Oh, fuck it.

 

I'm just saying that so the sloppy ass won't drop Angle on his neck on Thursday.

 

Brock's matches still haven't impressed me, his "charisma" is shoddy at best, and he is the worst mic worker at least on the Smackdown side. Other then that, though.

A few points:

 

1. The only time I remember Brock seriously injuring someone was Holly and even THAT'S debateable about who's fault it was. That's really damn good for a rookie.

 

2. Brock's promos remind of Bret Hart when he was in this stage of his career. His "Screaming, intense" promos are quite good, his "serious" stuff sucks. That will come in time.

 

3. His charisma in a match is off the charts. He's gaining a great knwoledge of timing and doing it sooner than any of the other rookies in his "class". He's also getting the loudest pops on SmackDown absoulutly killing Benoit's.

 

4. As I said before, unlike a guy like Jericho or even Angle, when Brock curses and shouts in a match it doesn't like it's there for the benefit of the camera. It sounds very realistic and what I would do in a simalar situation. I'm not saying he's a better worker then Angle but in this capacity he has it DOWN.

 

5. He has a fantastic look, great speed and strength, and he sells very well. He has a very quick "snapping" style of selling that's different then anything else on SmackDown.

 

6. I mark for the Happy Dance, you mark for the Happy Dance, we all mark for the Happy Dance.

 

7. Even with his "worst mic skills on SD!" he's gotten over like a MOTHERFUCKER, so he has charisma. But you said he doesn't have charisma. So how did he get so over without charisma or mic skills?

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Angle and Benoit both had better matches with Show than Brock did.

Incorrect.

 

Benoit couldn't do shit to him on RAW. (Unless you mean the Nitro match where The Giant squashed Benoit) and Angle's was just a comedy match. Brock's had a great psychological story (Can Brock F5 Show?????) and Brock actually lifted Show and made him look like a fat useless fuck.

 

Which I always mark for.

[Guest SP-1]

I'm waiting for the NCAA champion to wrestle.

As am I. More than anything else Brock does, seeing him bust out a mat game will possibly give me a Mark-Attack. Which is like a panic attack, only more violent and annoyingly loud. I fear for Kotzenjunge and the other people in the sports bar where we catch PPV's if Brock brings the amateur skills at Mania. I may explode with markage.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Where do you and Kotz live?

[Guest bob_barron]

I preffered Lesnar's match with Show to Angle's.

Same here. Brock's matches v. Show were booked so as not to expose both guys and keeping then relatively short helped. Angle's match v. Show went on too long and had a very retarded A-Train run in.

 

I've yet to watch the Survivor Series match on tape but the heat was off the charts for it.

[Guest SP-1]

Where do you and Kotz live?

SC, though we live far enough away from one another that we've only come across one another twice. Once at said sports bar for Survivor Series in a strange twist of fate, and the second time at a mall. Though we didn't interact at the mall. The bar is between us and it serves a function so PPV's are a likely meeting ground every great now and then.

[Guest Anglesault]

Benoit couldn't do shit to him on RAW. (Unless you mean the Nitro match where The Giant squashed Benoit) and Angle's was just a comedy match. Brock's had a great psychological story (Can Brock F5 Show?????) and Brock actually lifted Show and made him look like a fat useless fuck.

Benoit's number one contender match with him was better than both Brock/Show matches. Why is this even being debated?

 

Part of the reason didn't care about Brock/Show was because, as I've said a couple of times, I don't give a shit how strong he is. I sat through five minutes of shit to say "ooh." (I have see the match since SurSer) I'm sure If I cared, the anticipation would be killing me.

 

1. The only time I remember Brock seriously injuring someone was Holly and even THAT'S debateable about who's fault it was. That's really damn good for a rookie.

Oh, it was Holly's fault for causing the problem. The INURY is Brock's fault for finding THE WORST possible solution. He also almost killed Albert. He was being sloppy.

 

His "Screaming, intense" promos are quite good

 

Matter of opinion. I think they suck quite a bit.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Oh come on. The belly to belly suplexes Brock did to Show were fucking incredible. And throughout the feud Brock bumped like a crazy man off Big Show's clotheslines, actually making them look half-decent. And with Big Show's shitty clotheslines that's quite a feat. Ewwwww...why did you all remind me that Slow fought Angle and Lesnar for the title two PPVs running? Why? It burns, you know.

[Guest Breetai]

I'm just impressed that someone that big can be so FAST. I wonder what the difference is between him and the other hosses in the company that gives him that speed edge.

[Zetterberg is God 0]

I'm just impressed that someone that big can be so FAST. I wonder what the difference is between him and the other hosses in the company that gives him that speed edge.

It's gotta be the amateur wrestling background. You need to have speed to even have a chance of success in it. And I have been a Brock mark ever since he debuted in Montreal.

[Guest SP-1]

Plus, Brock is alot of lean muscle. He honestly doesn't appear to have very much fat there to block his movement. An amateur background speaks of a likely ability, I would think, to be a limber bastard, and as said above I would also think that speed is important in amateur wrestling. Add it up and you've got a big man that knows how to carry his weight very well. Unlike the normal, plodding hosses that populate the roster.

 

Except for B2. He was fairly agile too, as I recall, though I can't remember if he was fast, per se.

[Guest Brian]

It's the athleticism, not the natural ability because every clip of his matches I've seen are shot to shit. This guy is not a great technical wrestler, he look so greco roman in there.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Benoit's number one contender match with him was better than both Brock/Show matches. Why is this even being debated?

It's being debated because Brock's match was leagues better, and you can't see that. Benoit's match was more boring, and exposed all of Show's weaknesses as a performer. Brock managed to keep his match short, lively, and actually tell a story.

 

 

You're right, why IS this being debated?

 

Oh, it was Holly's fault for causing the problem. The INURY is Brock's fault for finding THE WORST possible solution. He also almost killed Albert. He was being sloppy

 

Well, he was only in his sixth month of the business at that time, and in front of a live crowd, what would you have done?

 

Could have been worse: He could have broken his arm.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

I rather have a broken arm personally.

[Guest eiker_ir]

i've marked for him a couple times, SummerSlam 2002 and Survivor 2002 are the better examples, but besided that, not pretty much....but he's good in my book

[Guest saturnmark4life]

I have to say I saw nothing wrong with Benoit OR show's performances in their match. Just throwing that in.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

3. His charisma in a match is off the charts. He's gaining a great knwoledge of timing and doing it sooner than any of the other rookies in his "class". He's also getting the loudest pops on SmackDown absoulutly killing Benoit's.

If Benoit got the type of push and hype Lesnar did he'd be fuckin smoking Brock in pops, easy.

[Guest Anglesault]

Oh, it was Holly's fault for causing the problem. The INURY is Brock's fault for finding THE WORST possible solution. He also almost killed Albert. He was being sloppy

 

Well, he was only in his sixth month of the business at that time, and in front of a live crowd, what would you have done?

Well, let's see. After much consideration, Just about ANYTHING but maliciously break the man's neck.

 

 

Could have been worse: He could have broken his arm.

 

Why, obviously. Everyone knows in the big book of injuries, a broken neck is much better to get than a broken arm.

[Guest Banky]

3. His charisma in a match is off the charts. He's gaining a great knwoledge of timing and doing it sooner than any of the other rookies in his "class". He's also getting the loudest pops on SmackDown absoulutly killing Benoit's.

If Benoit got the type of push and hype Lesnar did he'd be fuckin smoking Brock in pops, easy.

I'm not a fan of Lesnar, but I disagree with you. Benoit is an awesome wrestler, but Lesnar has gotten over from being a big, powerful ass kicker. Thats it. Benoit is too small to be considered that. Benoit might get pops that big if the WWE let him do everything he can in the ring, but he definitly wouldn't get that kinda pop from doing what Lesnar does. Brock gets the Goldberg pop. Benoit could get a Bret Hart pop. Regardless of this arguement, Benoit's pop is actually close to Lesnars. Lesnar isn't THAT over.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Oh, it was Holly's fault for causing the problem. The INURY is Brock's fault for finding THE WORST possible solution. He also almost killed Albert. He was being sloppy

 

Well, he was only in his sixth month of the business at that time, and in front of a live crowd, what would you have done?

Well, let's see. After much consideration, Just about ANYTHING but maliciously break the man's neck.

 

 

No no no, you don't have time to decide. Holly's been taking liberties, and now he refuses to help you with a powerbomb, you're about to drop him and look like a fool in front of everyone and you have a milisecond to decide with 20,000 watching and everyone in the back praying you mess up.

 

Go.

 

Time's up.

[Guest Anglesault]

Drop him on the mat without BREAKING THE MAN'S NECK. Of course, I have human decency.There you go. Let's see. Looking bad on front of a crowd or trying to paralyze a man. Tough one there.

 

Put im down, snap his leg problem solved.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Drop him on the mat without BREAKING THE MAN'S NECK. Of course, I have human decency.There you go. Let's see. Looking bad on front of a crowd or trying to paralyze a man. Tough one there.

 

Put im down, snap his leg problem solved.

Who's to say the neck breaking was intentional? Maybe he only meant to give him a stinger?

 

 

Taking liberties with Lesnar is like teasing a bear with a fish while kicking it's cubs. What you're saying is that it's the bear's fault.

[Guest Anglesault]

Who's to say the neck breaking was intentional?

 

You did. You said he broke his neck because Holly was taking liberties. And the neck should be off limits for revene attacks. And to all sane individuals, it is.

 

Taking liberties with Lesnar is like teasing a bear with a fish while kicking it's cubs. What you're saying is that it's the bear's fault.

 

Except that Lesnar is a human being with a human conscience and the uman ability of judgment. Yes, Brock REACTED like an animal. He is not one

[Guest bob_barron]

Yes he is. Biologically speaking of course

 

All humans are animals

[Guest bob_barron]

Bob Holly got what was coming to him.

 

A-Train was an accident.

 

Kurt Angle has accidentally injured people before as well

[Guest Anglesault]

Bob Holly got what was coming to him.

HE DID NOT.

 

Bob Holly is an asshole. However, Brocky could have put him in a wheelchair. Holly deserved to get his leg broken. He didn't deserve a broken neck.

 

A-Train was an accident.

 

Right. And I'm saying Brock better not be as sloppy with Kurt as he was with Albert. (And especally that he isn't as malicious as he was with Holly)