Anyone else almost "not care" about WWE...

[Guest JDMattitudeV1]

I started watching in 1991, my favourites were Bret Hart, Randy Savage and Mr Perfect. I liked Hogan but I was never a "Hulkamaniac", and I absolutely hated Ultimate Warrior. I was a total mark but for some reason always liked the more athletic guys more. I lost interest in about 94-95 but the nWo brought me back along with the likes of Bret, Owen, Shawn and Austin. I marked for the Rock ever since the "homeless promo" at Wrestlemania 14 and have been a fan ever since. I got the net in 2000, but even before then I liked Jericho, Benoit and HHH (hides!) but it was around this time I became a smark. I began to loose interest in 2002 (along with many others) due to Austin, the Rock and Benoit being absent for lengthy periods, the overall shitiness of HHH, Hogan's and Taker's title reigns and the burial of Jericho, RVD and others. The crappy writing didn't help matters either. I still watch Raw most weeks if theres nothing better to do, but since we don't have Smackdown anymore in Australia (thanks Vince) Raw is all I get, and there is only so much HHH a guy can take.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

See that's where you're wrong.

 

1. If you watched WWF at any time during Hogan's era...even if you hated him...even if you watched only the stuff he wasn't in and then turned it off when he was on...You TOO were a Hulkamaniac!

 

2. The current official WWE position is that there CAN NOT be too much HHH for one to take.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Isn't the current WWE position also "We know what the fans want more than the fans do?"

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

No, the current position is: We hate our fans, let's torture them with bad wrestling. This, of course, is all under the "Vince McMahon is a Moron" banner.

 

Jeez, how many times do I have to say this??

 

Right...but if you didn't read the net, would you even care about workrate? Shit, if I didn't read the net, Triple H would probably be the best thing since sliced bread. If I didn't read the net, why would I care about Kane or Booker T? Just because they are faces? I'd probably still cheer for Triple H...because he NEVER loses.

 

Just like hogan as a kid...

 

I didn't get on the internet until about 2000. I still liked Cruiserweight matches over Big Giant Hoss matches. I still knew who the 'good guys' and the 'bad guys' were and I am not talking about character.

 

I was a Hulkamaniac from day one (still am). But I always LOVED to watch the IC title matches of the early 90's. Good wrestling is universal - you don't have to be a smark to appreciate it. Just like bad wrestling is universal (I will contend that Hogan was NOT a bad wrestler - all of his matches had drama and emotion in them - and some of them were good enough to warrant **** - ok, 2 of them were). The WWF at that time 1990-1992ish, was like "come for the Hogan, stay for the Bret".

[Guest Nanks]

Being here in totally wrestling-starved Australia, and the fact that I don't have Pay TV, the only wrestling I get to see is if I get a mate to tape it for me and just recently I've been able to catch PPVs at the cinema. So I totally lap up every moment of WWE I get, sure, some of it disappoints me, but I totally mark out for so much stuff because I don't get to see it so often. I was absolutely beside myself when I finally saw a show live last year, it was amazing.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

A well-written, in-depth look at the lack of creativity on the part of WWE, using HHH/Booker as an example.

 

Usually I treat the product of 411's mostly-hack writers as comic relief, but this piece really struck me. Hell, I'd like to see a well-thought out rebuttal to this, but I doubt it'll come.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

Great article.

 

The angle is just so poor. Even more so consdiering HHH will win and "prove" that black people are inferior.

[Guest Zero_Cool]

That is a good piece of writing. I liked how he didn't come out completely with any HHHate and say that he'll prove that Booker is inferior.

 

This is going to be a disaster. Where is the PTC when we actually could use their fascist values?

[Guest djsunyc]

i watch every show now thinking "maybe they'll finally change things for the better tonight"

and that's not a good way to watch it...

[Guest THE MIGHTY THOR]

Maybe all the fans that are against HHH holding down new stars should join up and start using PTC tactics like boycotting WWE advertisers and not buying WWE merchandise so they could get the point that we are tired of this bulls#it.

[Guest bob_barron]

Or you could just stop watching.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

The classic rebuttal.

 

Fun fact: I've been hearing that being used less and less over the last year and a half, because people have been actually taking that advice. Seems to me that people would say "stop watching, bitch!" because they would think "well, there's enough people watching already that a few disgruntled people are expendable" or "new fans will replace them". But not anymore. Now "stop watching" has been replaced with "you're not a true fan if you don't (tune in every week/order Mania/watch every minute of the shows)". Ah, guilt, gotta love it. Oh well. The 0.5 buyrates gotta come from somewhere I guess.

 

BTW, Barron, reading some of your Wrestlemania Series articles at 411, I must tell you: there is more than one way to say "kicked his ass". It doesn't need to be said at least once in every match description. Finally, the descriptions of a few match endings are a little.... well... off to what really happened. This constructive criticism is my good deed of the day.

[Guest Polish_Rifle]

No matter how bad it gets, I think I will always still be a fan.

 

I think it has been worse before and things will eventually pick up...I hope.

[Guest THE MIGHTY THOR]

I've been watching less and less for the last couple of months but what can i say i'm still hopelessly waiting for something to really turn around the WWF/E like it did back in the Attitude era, but eventually i'll get tired and will stop watching, but that won't solve anything. The only way for the WWF/E could hear us is if we unite and hit them where it hurts them the most and that's their pocket, not buying their crappy merchandise or from their sponsors will make them realize that we mean business . I'm here just giving a suggestion that's more than you've ever done "Regal boy", and your Wrestlemania articles are really brutal, makes Scott Keith look like Mark Twain.

[Guest bob_barron]

The classic rebuttal.

 

Fun fact: I've been hearing that being used less and less over the last year and a half, because people have been actually taking that advice. Seems to me that people would say "stop watching, bitch!" because they would think "well, there's enough people watching already that a few disgruntled people are expendable" or "new fans will replace them". But not anymore. Now "stop watching" has been replaced with "you're not a true fan if you don't (tune in every week/order Mania/watch every minute of the shows)". Ah, guilt, gotta love it. Oh well. The 0.5 buyrates gotta come from somewhere I guess.

 

BTW, Barron, reading some of your Wrestlemania Series articles at 411, I must tell you: there is more than one way to say "kicked his ass". It doesn't need to be said at least once in every match description. Finally, the descriptions of a few match endings are a little.... well... off to what really happened. This constructive criticism is my good deed of the day.

For people who hate it and don't care at all they should stop watching. I don't mean it as an insult and your certainly allowed to criticise but there are people who just seem completely unhappy with WWE and it just seems pointless to watch the programming they put out.

 

I still enjoy Smackdown! and the PPVs and RAW has my three favourites so I enjoy watching it still.

 

 

Thank you for your constructive criticism

[Guest bob_barron]

I've been watching less and less for the last couple of months but what can i say i'm still hopelessly waiting for something to really turn around the WWF/E like it did back in the Attitude era, but eventually i'll get tired and will stop watching, but that won't solve anything. The only way for the WWF/E could hear us is if we unite and hit them where it hurts them the most and that's their pocket, not buying their crappy merchandise or from their sponsors will make them realize that we mean business . I'm here just giving a suggestion that's more than you've ever done "Regal boy", and your Wrestlemania articles are really brutal, makes Scott Keith look like Mark Twain.

Regal boy??? Ohhhhhhhhh you hurt me right there. Especially considering this thread has absolutely nothing to do with William Regal whatsoever.

 

I have given my thoughts to improve the product many times- They should start taping RAW and putting longer matches on it. I know RAW doesn't have the greatest workers but I think if they gave them longer matches the workrate could improve. They could also start getting back some of the fans who left them if they just put on a good wrestling product.

 

And if you're going to push someone- do it. It seems like with a lot of guys they gave them a little push and then stop it leave right there. It's been happening with Booker and RVD. One month Booker is wrestling in the main event and then two months later he's jobbing in a short match to Regal and Storm and missing PPVs.

 

They shown that when they want to get people over they can (See Brock) so why can't they try to get the guys who already over (RVD, Booker) MEGA-over.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Yeah, if you don't enjoy it at all then really, just don't bother and let nature take its course. And certainly, don't make any of those "I'm not watching wrestling/WWE anymore" threads because lord, are they ghey in the extreme. There's no substitute for pure apathy. I personally read all the US spoilers so I know if a show's worth watching. Raw is just shite, so I don't watch it and don't care about it. Smackdown is usually good, but if I miss it, that's not the end of the world. Due to there being latenight repeats on Friday and Saturday in the UK there's always the chance that I'll catch a show whilst mindlessly pissed. I once saw the greatest Big Show match ever under such circumstances.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Not to get off topic, but I agree with the criticism towards bobs review style. It's all PBP, very much like SK's but even SK puts more personal opinion in it than Barron.

 

http://wrestlingclassics.com/.ubb/ultimate...ic;f=7;t=000090

 

This is a fantastic review - and even though it would be impossible to give this kind of insight and analysis the format is still very reader-friendly.

 

"If you don't like it don't watch" is like saying "If you don't like life, kill yourself".

[Guest bob_barron]

Yeah, if you don't enjoy it at all then really, just don't bother and let nature take its course. And certainly, don't make any of those "I'm not watching wrestling/WWE anymore" threads because lord, are they ghey in the extreme. There's no substitute for pure apathy. I personally read all the US spoilers so I know if a show's worth watching. Raw is just shite, so I don't watch it and don't care about it. Smackdown is usually good, but if I miss it, that's not the end of the world. Due to there being latenight repeats on Friday and Saturday in the UK there's always the chance that I'll catch a show whilst mindlessly pissed. I once saw the greatest Big Show match ever under such circumstances.

I read the SD! spoilers now and also only tune in to the good stuff. If I had something better to at 9 then I would just skip RAW and watch the replay at 12. There was a point in October where I was really getting pissed at the product but then I realised I missed booker, goldust and regal too much and started watching.

 

On my reviews I wrote them last year (some 2 years ago) so they're when my writing style was a bit different. I don't have the time or the tapes to rewatch them again or completely rewrite them

[Guest bob_barron]

"If you don't like it don't watch" is like saying "If you don't like life, kill yourself".

I think comparing life to a TV show is a bit extreme eh?

 

If you've been upset with WWE product for a long time and you don't see a sign of them turning it around then what is the pointing of watching if you're just going to be unsatisfied and unhappy when you watch?

 

I enjoy parts of RAW and I enjoy Smackdown so I still watch. I've checked out alternatives- I didn't really like NWATNA but I enjoyed Ring of Honor so I'll be looking into that.

 

If you've been an unhappy fan for a while and don't you feel your time if well spent then save yourself the headache and stop watching and maybe tune back when they start to turn it around

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

That's just like saying "If you've had a bad day..."

 

It's not extreme because the answer to "why don't you just kill yourself" is the same answer to "why don't you just turn off the TV".

 

Either way, that doesn't actually *do* anything to further the discussion. It doesn't justify the WWE's stupidity, it doesn't make you 'think', it doesn't add anything at all other than an annoyance.

 

You know the story of the patient who went into the doctors office and said "Doctor, my arm hurts when I go like this" and the Doctor says "well, stop doing it". Makes sense, but what if it was serious nerve damage or atrophy or arthritis or something that could be fixed if you actually looked into the problem? If you ignore it then it just gets worse and worse and worse until your arm falls off or something.

 

We will stop watching when we stop watching, ok?