Linkin Park: Meteora

[Guest converge241]

"Where did you get that figure? here is a quote:

"Linkin Park's Hybrid Theory sold another 91,000 copies to top 6 million sold. "

from an article in Rolling Stone dated Feb 6, 2002. I don't believe they almost doubled that number in the past year. "

 

they sold 4,812,851 in 2001

so per you in january they raised that to top 6 mil... so they did 1,187,149 in one month of 2002 yet you dont see where that number could come from?

 

Title Artist Release Date Certification Label Cert. Date

Multi-Platinum Album Certifications

HYBRID THEORY LINKIN PARK 10/24/00 7 WARNER BROS. 1/31/02

 

so it was marked 7 times platinum by billboard/soundscan

 

no hard figures have come out for 2002 that i can find but ive read repeadely that its between 10 and 12 million

 

its very easy to see where that figure comes from because they could easil do 5- 6 million in 2002 cause they did almost 5 in 2001 alone and tracks were stil being played in 2002 heavily

 

allright i found some more stuff through digging

4 5 125 [Hybrid Theory], Linkin Park 8

| 47755 | Warner Bros. | (12.98/18.98)

 

so in US as of this weeks US pop catalog they sold 8 million plus

 

ill post canada/uk/ worldwide if i find them before i leave work

 

linkin park 2001 uk sales

 

in 2001 alone it sold 800,000 in just the UK , so that would be 9 million

 

canada sales

 

in Canada , while no figures were on the page, the album was 27 for the 2002 year so thats a good chunk

[Guest Nevermortal]

Linkin Park is my most shameful guilty pleasure.

[Guest snuffbox]

I think theyd fit better in rock/metal music if Chester had a 'big boy' voice.

[Guest Dace59]

Define musical merit.

The abilty to play good music.

Use of different cords, rythems, rifts, timing structers and drum beats. Complexity, solos, speed, usage of different speeds and timing structers in a song. Technical skill.

[Guest The Superstar]

I don't like them because after about a month, all of their songs (on Hybrid, anyway) sound exactly the same.

[Guest SP-1]

Define musical merit.

The abilty to play good music.

Use of different cords, rythems, rifts, timing structers and drum beats. Complexity, solos, speed, usage of different speeds and timing structers in a song. Technical skill.

Define good music.

 

And be aware that any definition you give is purely your opinion. Which is my point. We who consider the music good have an opinion just as valid as those who like to try and pin these bands because it's not something supremely artistic (which is nothing more than opinion itself). I'd also like to point out the LP's music is built around timing and complexity, lining the different elements of their music up to create the complex, tight result song. it's pretty damn hard to make a case based on that definition when LP and Band's like it build their music around those very things.

[Guest Dace59]

ROFLMAO!

 

There is nothing complex about LP.

 

Go listen to some Dream Theater. And A LOT of other Prog.

 

What I defined is good music.

How good music depends on it's technical complexity and ablity.

[Guest SP-1]

Explain to me how Linkin Park is not a good band technically. Keep in mind all the things they have to keep track of and line up.

[Guest snuffbox]

They do seem genuinely talented, definitly. But as far as playing rock/metal...its an unfunny joke.

[Guest Dace59]

They have a DJ, guitars, drums, bass, vocals.

 

Every standard line up band playing out of their garage can line up drums, bass, guitar and vocals.

 

Up overestimate how difficult it is. Not very.

 

There are no rifts, solos, changes in beats etc.

 

Now say, Brutal Death Metal, if you're drummer is going at full speed, how fast do the guitar and bassest have to be on their solos to keep up, and make them sound fast?

 

Very fast.

 

You have to play the solo while still making the backing fit.

 

LP have no solos.

 

Say, Dream Theater, they have some songs where a series of solos follows one into other other. They all match up, and flow.

LP never change the flow of thier stuff, beyond verus chours changes.

[Guest SP-1]

That doesn't make them any less technically sound. if any garage band can do it then they've surpassed the standard. I listen to a wide variety of music, with Bright Eyes alongside Blind Guardian on my playlist. I'm not saying LP is the greatest band on Earth, but it's really starting to bug me how people want to put down a band that sells alot of records because the band they cream over is "underground" or "Indy" or not on a similar level. It reeks of some need to feel superior or some shit because you like something different. And that's, to be blunt, retarded.

[Guest LJSexay]

I honestly do think Linkin Park is very talented, and good at what they do.

 

I'm getting the album as soon as it's out.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

Actually, people insult and discredit Linkin Park because they're poor musicians. Every song is arranged to be commercially acceptable, while at the same time create an aura of rebellion. Of course, one could also argue this to be genius, but then one would also have to realize that the only bands to ever make mainstream commercially acceptable music with the underlying factor of rebellion and a true deeper meaning since the 1980's have been Nirvana, Pearl Jam, and Marilyn Manson.

 

As Dace has pointed out, Linkin Park are poor musicians. They are poor musicians from a technical standpoint, as well as an emotional standpoint. From a technical standpoint, it's fairly obvious that the guitarist just picked up a guitar recently. Otherwise, there would be more complex riffs than just three or four power chords during the chorus. The bass-lines are identical to the guitar riffs during the chorus, only repeated constantly throughout the song. The drums are your standard AC/DC-ish drumming: simple, easy, and leaving much to be desired. The vocals are, perhaps, the sole redeeming aspect of the band.

 

Don't bother arguing the point further. There is good music, and there is bad music. Nobody should hold it against you if you enjoy the songs of a band that creates bad music. I'll wholeheartedly admit to being a fan of many bands that create bad music (Green Jelly being the most dominant), but that doesn't prevent me from saying the music is bad.

[Guest SP-1]

Green Jelly's Three Little Pigs is one of the greatest things I've ever heard.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

Linkin Park is high on my loathe-list, and it gets there solely on the basis of some of the most infantile lyrics I've heard. I'm getting intensely tired of the "I'm lost inside my mind, I feel very alone" lyrical show.

 

I also have a severe urge to punch the rapper guy in the nose every time he opens his mouth. There's a blend that doesn't quite work for me.

 

Addendum: "Three Little Pigs" is epic brilliance. Any group that lists their greatest life experience as meeting GWAR is a-okay with me.

[Guest Nanks]

Also, Linkin Park is no better than Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, et al; the only differences are loud, dully tuned guitars and some profanity. It's all pop music, and it's all crap. Come to think of it, I'd rather listen to any boy band than this shit; Justin Timberlake lacks the delusion of edginess that so many nü metal bands have in spades.

^How amusing, this person has never actually listened to a Linkin Park album, yet feels he is 'on the edge of music' enough to talk them down... Does anyone actually pay attention to what it is they're judging enough to realise how I can tell??

[Guest KingOfOldSchool]

Nanks, nowhere in Inc's post did it say he has never listened to Linkin Park's stuff. And to that point, I don't think Inc would pass a judgment without at least attempting to listen to the album first.

 

And from what I've noticed on these boards, there isn't a grudge because bands have sold a lot of records. I don't think Inc or Kinetic, or some of the metal heads here are incapable of listening to a popular mainstream act. It's just widely acknowledged and accepted that there's better stuff out there, so why waste your time with something else..

 

To me, anyway, Linkin Park just sounds too basic and simplified. There's no huge variety. And if they are technically proficient, they don't show it, because as Dace said, a lot of bands can do what they do.

 

And there's also the 'lyrics' thing I agree on with Edwin. God, they scream low-grade emo band dressed up in nu-metaller clothes. Even the best part about Linkin Park, the singing, grates on me sometimes, since it usually amounts to Chester screaming for whatever reason. And this is coming from someone who was a fan and still owns the album.

[Guest snuffbox]

Uh...LP IS like the backstreet boys and such. They were formed through agents, auditions, and all that bullshit. The production on their songs is glossier than mainstream Nashville country. The singer doesnt have a 'big boy' voice (he can sing, but not metal) and makes obvious use of production to give him his annoyingly fake gravel.

 

In short, Linkin Park was formed like Nsync, look like nsinc, are marketed like nsync, and sound like nsync with fake angst.

 

I dont like bullshit music. Linkin park is bullshit music.

[Guest Coffey]

Here's the way that I look at it. I ask myself a certain question, then fill in the blanks to fill out the equation. The question is simple:

 

Would this band be listened too if they weren't on MTV.

 

So, Would Linkin Park be big if not for MTV?

 

Fuck no. It's a random band with rock chords and bad rap for no reason. They are just trying to sound like all the other rap-rock bands...all of which I don't care for. In fact, I don't think anyone above the age of 18 cares for them. MTV hypes the fuck out of slop all the time.

 

They were the best selling album last year? Who cares? Jamariquai won a fucking grammy...that sure as fuck don't make em good. Anything that gets TRL playtime will sell a million records.

[Guest Nanks]

Inc stated that the only difference between LP and Justin, Britney, etc. is loud guitars and profanity. There is not one single example of profanity in any one of LP's songs. Don't tell me I'm nitpicking, if you'd actually listened to a Linkin Park album, or even song for that matter, you'd notice that. As for Snuffbox claiming they were formed through auditions, making up facts is fun, but I find the truth, far more enlightening. Fine, Chester WAS brought in later, but Linkin Park began as a band called Hybrid Theory as Mike, Joe, Phoenix, Brad & Rob have been together a long time. When they landed a deal they were asked to change their name and settled on Linkin Park, naming their first album Hybrid Theory. Yes, the production on the songs is very glossy, because Joe Hahn is very talented, it's part of the music. As for Jago, Linkin Park is big in Australia, and we don't have MTV & TRL and all that stuff. Bands get big down here by being good not hyped and marketed, the pop radio stations don't play them, the rock stations do.

[Guest hardyz1]

Jumping through the thread making comments:

 

I rarely watch MTV and I still like LP. I bought Hybrid Theory in December 2000 (man that was a long time ago) without ever seeing them on MTV. I take issue with whoever said LP is music for stupid people. Don't you think it's possible for someone to like LP and "good music"?

 

Nanks is right about the band's formation. It was not formed like boy bands. Although Chester was brought in to make them more marketable.

 

I'm kinda iffy on "Somewhere I Belong" but I'll still pick up Meteora next week. I'll try not to get my hopes up too high.

[Guest Nanks]

I had my hopes WAY up for Meteora, and I have to say I wasn't disappointed. They haven't done the whole, "we have to totally change our direction to give something totally different" thing but they've still done some new stuff. It's a good album, I wasn't disappointed at all.

[Guest snuffbox]

Id buy the record...but Id feel like I was joining in a gay pride parade.

[Guest Nanks]

May I ask what part of LP's music is supposedly appealing to homosexuals?? Am I missing hidden messages or something?? Or are you just an idiot??

[Guest snuffbox]

Chas sings like Elton John (he has a very good voice) but he wants to be badass, so the producers helped him a ton and tried giving him some power/gravel, and it comes off VERY fake to anyone who likes real heavy music.

 

Fake = gay

[Guest Incandenza]

Inc stated that the only difference between LP and Justin, Britney, etc. is loud guitars and profanity. There is not one single example of profanity in any one of LP's songs. Don't tell me I'm nitpicking, if you'd actually listened to a Linkin Park album, or even song for that matter, you'd notice that.

Irrelevant. My point stands.

 

And this thread is getting stupid. I'll just take your ill-adviced suggestion in this thread's subtitle and bugger off.

[Guest snuffbox]

Im a 'hater'. Im gone. Never noticed that part before I guess, Ill leave this thread to its original purpose, written blowjobs for Linkin Park.

[Guest whatitistoburn]

I'll say one thing. They do the most piss pour cover of a deftones song I've ever heard. So sad, so sad....

[Guest Nanks]

Which song of their's is a Deftone's cover??? I don't really know any Deftones stuff

[Guest redbaron51]

if you can't cover a deftones song...then you are horrible.

 

Beside i've seen them twice, and both times the god awful sucked.

 

The singers cant sing. Brad Delson can't play the guitar. The bassist seems lost on stage, and hitting a few random notes.