May 5th

[Guest snuffbox]

Again- I need my Booker T/Goldust/Regal fix so I'm gonna have to pass.

will Regal even be back? You really need your fix of Booker T and Goldust jobs and embarassments eh? Junkie.

[Guest MaxPower27]

I really don't understand why you are so against even telling me just for the hell of it everything you wish to do here.

 

He's already told you about 12 times that he wants to see who is with him, and who is against him. Try reading.

 

MaxPower is in

That is not the project, obviously he'd like to know who's in or not. In order to get some people to join however, the goals must be presented.

 

I'm not asking again, so either let's start outlining it or not.

What the fuck do you care? You're adamant about not doing it, so stay out of it.

[Guest Downhome]

Downhome, if you can't *get* the spirit of what we are doing - forget about the technicalities - if you can't get *why* we are doing this even after 7 pages, or if you don't agree, then leave.

Would you stop? I understand your point, I'm not fucking retarded. It would be helpfull however before actually truly begining, that you get everything straight. Depending on what you want, different actions would be needed.

 

Of course, if you don't understand that, or what it takes to actually put together something of this such, then forget about it. I was willing to help, and do things professionally. However, from the look of things, you wish me to just ignore it.

 

Whatever.

[Guest bob_barron]

Again- I need my Booker T/Goldust/Regal fix so I'm gonna have to pass.

will Regal even be back? You really need your fix of Booker T and Goldust jobs and embarassments eh? Junkie.

Yes- I enjoy watching Booker T and Goldust each week. Hopefully Regal will be back. Besides- the crowd is gonna be HOT that night

[Guest creativename]

Sakura already stated the basics...what more do you need?

 

*Have the writers write to please the fans, not Vince.

*Push guys that are already over, not pet projects; and especially not ones who've failed multiple times in the past.

*Don't push people based on size alone. Yeah, it matters for the "realism" aspect, but not so much. Tyson and Ali were hardly giants. The greatest fighers in any sport rarely are.

*Don't let political influence affect the televised product.

*Have storylines based around the wrestling, rather than vice versa.

*Be more active in getting and using fan input--WWE is in a unique situation with its consumer base. They need to utilize their fans more, rather than condescending to it.

 

I'm sure others can come up with more.

[Guest Downhome]

I really don't understand why you are so against even telling me just for the hell of it everything you wish to do here.

 

He's already told you about 12 times that he wants to see who is with him, and who is against him. Try reading.

 

MaxPower is in

That is not the project, obviously he'd like to know who's in or not. In order to get some people to join however, the goals must be presented.

 

I'm not asking again, so either let's start outlining it or not.

What the fuck do you care? You're adamant about not doing it, so stay out of it.

I said I would not boycott the product, I never said I was against taking other action. Don't assume things unless you fully understand.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

That's not the case at all. I want this done as formal as possible - I am very particular on organization. BUT, not right now. For me to write up a list right now of all the objectives without consulting with others who are willing to participate would be negligent and unwise. "If you want change and are willing to do something for it" is just fine for now because it gives the spirit of this 'revolution'. If you want everything so 'tight' right now, then nothing will get done. This is the 'brainstorming' session, if you will.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

<RRR> I got an idea to stage a big boycott. It's probably going to wind up being a glorified internet petition, but if I close my eyes and think happy thoughts...

 

<Downhome> Why are you doing this?

 

<RRR> Because the people! They need a voice! They need someone to stand up for them!

 

<JOTW> Well it could be that nobody cares about the business for (logical reason)

 

<RRR> That's not important, now get those figures out of my face

 

<Downhome> How are you going to organize something like this? Even if you got the word out nationwide to boycott the May 5th show, they'd just expect a slightly lesser rating and throw that number out as irrelevant.

 

<RRR> SHUT UP!

[Guest Downhome]

Sakura already stated the basics...what more do you need?

 

*Have the writers write to please the fans, not Vince.

*Push guys that are already over, not pet projects; and especially not ones who've failed multiple times in the past.

*Don't push people based on size alone. Yeah, it matters for the "realism" aspect, but not so much. Tyson and Ali were hardly giants. The greatest fighers in any sport rarely are.

*Don't let political influence affect the televised product.

*Have storylines based around the wrestling, rather than vice versa.

*Be more active in getting and using fan input--WWE is in a unique situation with its consumer base. They need to utilize their fans more, rather than condescending to it.

 

I'm sure others can come up with more.

Well thank you for starting to make a list. Again, this isn't for ME. It's for the people who possibly wonder into this thread or the such, and wish to know more. It's just to have a clear goal. We need more also, thanks for the begining.

[Guest MaxPower27]

I said I would not boycott the product, I never said I was against taking other action. Don't assume things unless you fully understand.

Well, basically we're going to boycott an episode of Raw. That's the gameplan right now. First, we need to know who is going to act with us, instead of drawing up an elaborate gameplan and having 10 people jump in the fire.

 

So, since you aren't going to boycott an episode of Raw, I ask again, why does this concern you so much? I mean, you've basically said that this won't make a difference, so why do you care?

[Guest Sakura]

- No more of this "The WWE Style" shit. As long as they're not hurting people, PUSH THEM. It makes no sense to not push someone who's safe and over just because it's not "The WWE Style".

 

- Along the same lines, no more "not ready" BS. Yeah, yeah, RVD can't cut a serious promo. Blah blah blah. Whatever. He's still really over.

 

- Actually get behind the people that get pushed that are not hand picked hosses. It doesn't do any good to "push" RVD to a program with Crips where he jobs out. Maybe it won't work. Maybe even though he gets pops it won't draw money. But at least TRY. Whedon knows they try as hard as they can with Hogan, Goldberg, ect.

 

 

It can all be summed into this: Let US decide who is ready and what we want the WWE style of wrestling to be.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

creativename, are you in?

 

JDmattitude

Sakura

Brian

RavishingRickRudo

Lord of the Curry

Max Power

 

This isn't *just* about boycotting the May 5th show. If you've been paying attention you would see that.

 

Jobber, you don't agree? Fine, get out.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

*Have the writers write to please the fans, not Vince.

Well, that's a good start. And I firmly think it's happened in the past.

 

 

*Don't push people based on size alone.  Yeah, it matters for the "realism" aspect, but not so much.  Tyson and Ali were hardly giants.  The greatest fighers in any sport rarely are.

 

lollerblades. Sorry, but having biceps bigger than your head is ALWAYS the path to stardom in the WW_. It's more frustrating now since there's nearly no other choice, but you need to wait for Vince to retire.

 

*Don't let political influence affect the televised product.

 

What sort of company ISN'T affected by office politics?

 

The last two make more sense, however it reminds me of how TV shows always automatically refuse fan suggestions so they can't get sued. I used to hang out on a USENET group for Babylon 5. Some guy suggested a storyline idea for B5, and one of the directing staff replied with a message along the line of "Fuck, we were going to do that. We can't now."

 

 

Jobber, you don't agree? Fine, get out.

 

If you got something good, I'll join in. Right now, it's just idealism.

[Guest creativename]

2002 was the greatest years for video games ever.

That's an industry that's entering it's boom. This one is leaving one.

In large part because of its content. I personally think that WWE was going to go down anyway--wrestling is cyclical. However, there was no need for this radical downturn. If people were happy with the product and business was sucking, you'd have a point. This is not the case.

 

In the history of this particular company, it's been a relation. When the economy was shit and we were at war last time, they were falling downhill. They STILL had most the talent and WCW was still pretty much southern yokels and early workrate fans at that point.

You're talking about 2 boom periods and 2 down periods--that's not enough data. 20 years is just not enough to say that, because it could be highly coincidental. I could easily find 20 years where the movie industry seemed to correlated with the overall economy--hell, off the top of my head, I'll name the 1910's and 20's--the economy was much better during the 20's, and the movie industry did better as well; however, it did even better during the Depression and WWII...this is not entirely relevant as movies were a young industry at this point in time, but it is still somewhat relevant. In fact it's more relevant than it appears at first, because wrestling didn't get much exposure before the 70's anyway, even though TV was around before then; so, it was still "young" in some sense.

 

The economy started the boom around '94 anyway, and wrestling dug itself a much deeper hole for years after. Also, WCW started to thrive well before the WWF, because the nWo was good content. So even in the past 20 years, the relationship hasn't been all that strong.

[Guest snuffbox]

I would say a mass posting of these ideas/suggestions on every major wrestling forum could help.

 

Get the word to as much of the IWC as possible. Try getting columns to mention it or dedicate entire articles to these problems and possible solutions.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

It always starts out as idealism. But the simple fact that we are talking about doing something is much more than what is usually talked about on this board. Like I said, this is just the beginning - it will evolve into something more 'proper'. To expect it all to come together in one night is silly.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Okay, so you guys are planning a boycott of the May 5th show. There could be a slight problem. People outside of America boycotting is pretty pointless. We don't have any effects on the ratings. People without a Neilson box boycotting is pointless. Again, it'd have no effect on the ratings. I know this has been probably brought up, but could someone explain to me who you'd get around these technicalities?

[Guest snuffbox]

It always starts out as idealism. But the simple fact that we are talking about doing something is much more than what is usually talked about on this board. Like I said, this is just the beginning - it will evolve into something more 'proper'. To expect it all to come together in one night is silly.

Definitly Triple R,

 

Doing something, no matter how miniscule it may be....will always accomplish more than doing nothing at all.

[Guest Coffey]

Perhaps we can get this thread stickied?

[Guest creativename]

creativename, are you in?

I'll say that I'm tentatively in. I say that because there's a slim chance the card for that show could be something really good.

 

However I understand that a wishy-washy "I'm in" is the last thing you need, so if somebody says "oh come on man", I'll probably fold real quick and boycott for sure

[Guest Downhome]

I said I would not boycott the product, I never said I was against taking other action. Don't assume things unless you fully understand.

Well, basically we're going to boycott an episode of Raw. That's the gameplan right now. First, we need to know who is going to act with us, instead of drawing up an elaborate gameplan and having 10 people jump in the fire.

 

So, since you aren't going to boycott an episode of Raw, I ask again, why does this concern you so much? I mean, you've basically said that this won't make a difference, so why do you care?

For one, I care becuase I do find it interesting that you guys are willing to do such as this.

 

I thought this was open to different ideas and other type stuff to get the point accross. If you ONLY want to do a boycott, then fine, but I assure you that method by just boycotting it will not work. You need to try other things as well. Here is what I would have wrote out...

 

...first off, I would have made a list of EVERY email address of EVERYONE who works in WWE. Have it be people in the offices, wrestlers, backstage people, or Vince himself. After I had such a list in hand, I would then "recruit" people both on the net and in the "real world". The goal would be to send as much email as possible to EVERY email address. Not just one, and not just to a few people, but many emails to everyone. In it I would have stated that us as the fans DEMAND a change in product, or on a certain date WWE would feel the wrath of the fans as a whole. That date, if you wanted, could have been May 5th.

 

At every show leading up to that certain show, various fans would speak out outside each arena, making sure Vince and Co. understood that we are for real, and that we are in fact here. Then, on May 5th, THEN boycott the show. Perhaps doing it this way would be effective. If not by the ratings falling (which it will not at all hardly, if ANY at all), then by simply letting Vince and everyone know for a FACT that the fans are here and that we are serious about everything.

 

To do this of course would have to have started right NOW, or even months ago.

 

Something like that would at least send a message.

 

You see, to do something like this and to get noticed by a corporation such as WWE, one must go to EXTREMES to be heard. A simple 100-200 emails will do nothing, nor will a few guys on the internet not watching the show. For you guys to ever be heard, you must organize this in extreme ways. Anything else, well, is simply in vain and for your own personal satisfaction.

 

There is my opinion, take it or leave it, it's what I hav to offer for now.

[Guest creativename]

Okay, so you guys are planning a boycott of the May 5th show. There could be a slight problem. People outside of America boycotting is pretty pointless. We don't have any effects on the ratings. People without a Neilson box boycotting is pointless. Again, it'd have no effect on the ratings. I know this has been probably brought up, but could someone explain to me who you'd get around these technicalities?

I agree that this particular boycott will be pointless and ineffective...but I'll still do it. What do I have to lose? Nothing. At least we're trying to do something. And who knows, maybe it will lead to something else more organzied and on a grander scale at some point in the future (I still think a live audience has more power than a TV audience, with or without Nielsen boxes). I don't have too much faith in it, to be honest, but I still think it's a great concept. Like someone said before (was it RRR?)--revolutions have humble beginnings.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

CanadianChick, it's not just boycotting the May 5th show. May 5th is just an example of how we fans can make our voices heard. There are other ways to do this *along with* the boycott. Things like letters, not just to the WWE, but to their shareholders, sponsors, networks etc. Public opinion may not matter to the WWE but it does to them. Writing in to local papers, telling friends who may be interested, doing *something* could at least get the WWE to take notice. By doing nothing we automatically get nothing. Mailing TSN to show other promotions besides the WWE, or mailing sportsnet, or the score, could get more variety on the air and lessen the stranglehold the WWE has on Canadian Television. Right now is the time for ideas like these to be talked about.

[Guest Downhome]

Okay, so you guys are planning a boycott of the May 5th show. There could be a slight problem. People outside of America boycotting is pretty pointless. We don't have any effects on the ratings. People without a Neilson box boycotting is pointless. Again, it'd have no effect on the ratings. I know this has been probably brought up, but could someone explain to me who you'd get around these technicalities?

It will not affect the ratings, to hope for that is a dream world which will never be a reality. A simple boycott without shit loads of email and other forms of media will do no good. If the rating for the show which is boycotted still does a rating, WWE will not take it seriously.

[Guest creativename]

...first off, I would have made a list of EVERY email address of EVERYONE who works in WWE. Have it be people in the offices, wrestlers, backstage people, or Vince himself. After I had such a list in hand, I would then "recruit" people both on the net and in the "real world". The goal would be to send as much email as possible to EVERY email address. Not just one, and not just to a few people, but many emails to everyone. In it I would have stated that us as the fans DEMAND a change in product, or on a certain date WWE would feel the wrath of the fans as a whole. That date, if you wanted, could have been May 5th.

Whoa...I like that. Spam filters wouldn't be able to catch that, either. Perhaps someone could write up a list of demands, post them on every big board, and then ask the users to e-mail a list of addresses. Having people paraphrase the demands might also make it more effective...but that would mean more work than copy & paste, and more work=less people doing it. Also, it would be tough to come up with a list that nearly everybody agrees with; it someone doesn't like some paricular point, they might not go through with it.

 

The only thing is that it will piss off the employees royally, and might backfire.

 

EDIT: Snail mail might actually be even more effective--a few hundred (or if we're lucky and work hard, even thousands) of letters, all with the same list of demands printed, being sent to the WWE offices would be sure to catch somebody's eye.

[Guest Choken One]

I refuse to wade through this bullshit pool...

 

So let me get this...

 

You all are planning to Boycott a Television Show...Because you aren't pleased with the product and you believe that your watching CSI:Miami instead will get the message heard.

 

I'm sure the last Six pages has been The Same Old "Screw You Vince, You can't a run a Multi-Billion dollar company! HHH is ruining the sport" whine and cry we've gotten to know about for 5 months...Just a different Name being "held down" (RVD, Booker, Jericho, Kane,Benoit).

 

And you hope to attract enough IWC attention to get some notice......The IWC which is only a tiny fraction of the actual ratings is going to make a DENT in the ratings big enough for the gods to notice us...

 

Well, I will laugh at you guys for your overly Idealistic aventure...But I wish You all Luck.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Don't make me beg Creative

 

Snuff, you in?

 

If a dozen people are in - in just one day - then it's a damn fine start.

 

Downhome, you're definitely right on the money with your ideas to spur change. By no means will this be a *one trick* operation. It will be like a blitzkreig - an 'attack' (for lack of a better term) on every level... Even those 'meaningless' emails. As many mediums as possible.

[Guest Sakura]

Just an idea to throw out here...

 

Boycotting merchandise?

[Guest Downhome]

Just for the record, I will NOT boycott WWE. I will never do so, I am too addicted to Pro. Wrestling. I will however give ideas, but only to people who are serious. So flame me, tell me to go away, or whatever you people have done to me this entire thread. Just think what you will...

 

...I'll help, but only if one wants it.

 

I'll just let you all know if the show on May 5th was great or not.

[Guest Downhome]

Just an idea to throw out here...

 

Boycotting merchandise?

If you don't boycott everything, it will not work.