Guest Downhome Report post Posted April 6, 2003 I agree with DH. Closing down the board or WWE folder because a few of you don't like the product is ludicrous This has GOT to be a first, we AGREE with one another! Seriously though... ...you have the right to do what you want, so boycott it if you want, and lock down the board if you wish, but remember... ...I have the right to also do what I want, and if you do something as absurd as locking down the board preventing the people who are ok with the product, or at least wish to watch it and discuss it, I will be gone. I'd be willing to bet a few other loyal members would leave also if you did such as that. It's not worth going that far, locking down the board will not help your "cause" anyhow, it is pointless to do that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheArchiteck Report post Posted April 6, 2003 Why May 5th? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted April 6, 2003 I wish you would do it, and then that night Vince would, just in spite of you all, put out the best show in years and just go ape shit over pushing new people and the such. Are you talking about RAW? BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Yeah I'm talking about RAW, it would be funny as hell if Vince did something like that just to spite everyone going so overboard about things. I know I'd do it if I was him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted April 6, 2003 I wouldn't leave the board but it would piss me off a great deal. Boycott all you want but don't ruin it for others who don't share your sentiments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted April 6, 2003 Why May 5th? Because according to Brian it's the first day of sweeps, two weeks after Backlash (when the post ppv bump will go down) and ummm other stuff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted April 6, 2003 For a RAW in this day and age to be WWE's best show in years, not only does everyone on the roster need to be on their A+++ game, as well as the writers pulling out miracles from their ass, but I also believe that the stars need to be aligned *just* right for a RAW of today to even compare to some of the classics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sakura Report post Posted April 6, 2003 A boycott is "overboard"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted April 6, 2003 Well one of the best RAWs ever (5.21.01) happened in May and last year on (5.29.02- i think) we had RVD v. Eddy. So who knows... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted April 6, 2003 Barron, if they want to have a show that is close to even *those* two, they'd have to shake their habit of putting on pointless matches (i.e. Maven vs. Rosey) as well as having matches that are 2 minutes long and end in rollups. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted April 6, 2003 Oh I know- I was just pointing out how the last two years May has been a good year for RAWs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest creativename Report post Posted April 6, 2003 Yeah I'm talking about RAW, it would be funny as hell if Vince did something like that just to spite everyone going so overboard about things. I know I'd do it if I was him. Er...if Vince could just turn a switch and put on an unforgettably good show, don't you think he'd have done it by now? And every week, for that matter? I hope you realize that if Vince did try to do that, we'd end up with Necrophilia: Part Deux. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted April 6, 2003 A boycott is "overboard"? A boycott is not, shutting down the site just because some of you do not enjoy WWE is. You should not force your personal views on those of us who are being entertained at the moment. Hell, a boycott will not work anyway. Even IF enough of people got on board to do this to make a difference in the ratings, and trust me in saying that that many people will NOT join you, Vince would not take it to heart and just magicly begin to job out HHH and start pushing who you want. Simply put... ...Vince will do what Vince wants to do, period. If You guys just stopped watching, he would try to shape his company into something else in order to get new fans of some sort. He will always just do what HE wants, and untill he personally wants all of the "smark favorites" to be the top guys on the shows, no one will change his mind. I would have thought all of you would have figured this out by now. If wrestling fans, true WRESTLING fans totally left WWE, Vince would not make his company more wrestling fan friendly, he would make it even MORE Sports Entertainment, in order to attract those types of fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted April 6, 2003 Er...if Vince could just turn a switch and put on an unforgettably good show, don't you think he'd have done it by now? And every week, for that matter? That got me to thinking: do they put on mediocre shows on purpose, or do they truly believe just before RAW comes on every Monday that they have a Grade-A show planned? If Vince IS able to put on an unforgettable show at any time, it doesn't exactly take away from the assumption that the fanbase is only there to be taken advantage of. DH's marvellous revelation that Vince does whatever he wants to do doesn't either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted April 6, 2003 Er...if Vince could just turn a switch and put on an unforgettably good show, don't you think he'd have done it by now? And every week, for that matter? That got me to thinking: do they put on mediocre shows on purpose, or do they truly believe just before RAW comes on every Monday that they have a Grade-A show planned? If Vince IS able to put on an unforgettable show at any time, it doesn't exactly take away from the assumption that the fanbase is only there to be taken advantage of. DH's marvellous revelation that Vince does whatever he wants to do doesn't either. Do not pick at me like that, it only angers me. I only pointed it out because you people seem to think that if a few of you do not watch, he'll change his mind. It does not work like that. In not watching the shows, he will simply go even MORE left field than he is already. He'll never do for his company something ONLY because the fans want it, it isn't how he works at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted April 6, 2003 By the way, I don't think that ANYTHING we as fans do will ever change anything. That will not happen untill the people on the inside, the workers, writers, those in the office, etc... decide to finally stand up to Vince and Co. and THEY decide to do something about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MillenniumMan831 Report post Posted April 6, 2003 If you pay money to go to a live event- then you're not really hurting them. Go to a live event and have a lot of fun- or else it's a waste of money. I was at the Cleveland Raw with HHH vs. Maven and I guarantee you, you could hear a pin drop during that match. The only time the crowd would pop in the slightest, is when Flair would walk around because we were hoping he'd cheat. There's no way to enjoy a HHH segment. I understand that Raw's problem isn't all HHH, but it's the biggest part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted April 6, 2003 All I got to say is: It is more than a few people. The post-Mania bump this week was barely existent. BARELY. The preliminary Mania numbers flat out stank. Frankly, I am seeing no indications of any sort of growth. And if Vince doesn't do something because "the fans want it", that's poor business practice, plain and simple. I agree that he has his own agenda, and that's fine, but that will mean the difference of a few more PPV buys or purchased live event tickets. And to brush it off as 'expendable' or whatever is foolish. "No, I would not like that $30, thank you!" Vince could afford to pass off a portion of his fanbase as expendable in 1998 when he had a clear winning formula, but you cannot say that he has a similar formula today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted April 6, 2003 I have a cable box, and I'm watching. I'll tell you why: Not only am I a wrestling fan, but I am a WWE fan. I'm not ashamed to say it. The WWF was a synomnym for wrestling in my household and it still is today. I have every right to criticize when something happens I don't like: That's my right as a fan and it applies to sports teams, movies, TV shows, etc. But I'm not going to boycott just because a don't like a few things that are going on. Especially not now when it seems Booker is getting another shot, Goldberg is coming in (and is still very over), and Jericho is going over HBK next month. Add to that that RVD now has a title, and I'm sticking around a few weeks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted April 6, 2003 All I got to say is: It is more than a few people. The post-Mania bump this week was barely existent. BARELY. The preliminary Mania numbers flat out stank. Frankly, I am seeing no indications of any sort of growth. And if Vince doesn't do something because "the fans want it", that's poor business practice, plain and simple. I agree that he has his own agenda, and that's fine, but that will mean the difference of a few more PPV buys or purchased live event tickets. And to brush it off as 'expendable' or whatever is foolish. "No, I would not like that $30, thank you!" Vince could afford to pass off a portion of his fanbase as expendable in 1998 when he had a clear winning formula, but you cannot say that he has a similar formula today. I agree with you on many things, but I do not think Vince is just going to change the way he does things. I don't think we'll see any sort of real change, untill Shane or whoever takes controll of the company, and we might not see that for many years. I'm not putting any of you down, as like I said, do what you think will help. I just really don't think anything like this would work, as Vince obviously doesn't care what the smarks on the net think. Vince has also lost a lot of fans who will NEVER return. Pro. Wrestling went through a boom, and that's it. The ratings we see right now may stay this way for years, no matter what Vince does or does not do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted April 6, 2003 If you pay money to go to a live event- then you're not really hurting them. Go to a live event and have a lot of fun- or else it's a waste of money. I was at the Cleveland Raw with HHH vs. Maven and I guarantee you, you could hear a pin drop during that match. The only time the crowd would pop in the slightest, is when Flair would walk around because we were hoping he'd cheat. There's no way to enjoy a HHH segment. I understand that Raw's problem isn't all HHH, but it's the biggest part. It all depends on the segment. At Survivor Series I was going crazy for Triple H and chanting his name and mocking Shawn. And at the last RAW I went to- there was no HHH! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted April 6, 2003 I have a cable box, and I'm watching. I'll tell you why: Not only am I a wrestling fan, but I am a WWE fan. I'm not ashamed to say it. The WWF was a synomnym for wrestling in my household and it still is today. I have every right to criticize when something happens I don't like: That's my right as a fan and it applies to sports teams, movies, TV shows, etc. But I'm not going to boycott just because a don't like a few things that are going on. Especially not now when it seems Booker is getting another shot, Goldberg is coming in (and is still very over), and Jericho is going over HBK next month. Add to that that RVD now has a title, and I'm sticking around a few weeks. Very well put, there is another reason that I will never stop watching or will never boycott it... ...even when times are bad, even when nothing seems to go the way you want it to, there are always those little moments where you truly mark out, truly fee like a fan again, and truly feel satisified. I watch Pro. Wrestling for these moments, however offten or not so offten they occur. I've put up with months/years of a bad product here lately, and I am not starting to enjoy it again, so all of this time was worth it to me. Just like back in '93 or so, when I dealt with the crap, in order to finally see the moments that I'll never forget. Blah, just ignore me, I dunno. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LatinoHeat Report post Posted April 6, 2003 Well one of the best RAWs ever (5.21.01) happened in May and last year on (5.29.02- i think) we had RVD v. Eddy. Those shows were in Benoit's hometown in Canada. I always make sure to watch the western Canada shows because they always deliver a great show. I don't know if they're going back this year though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted April 6, 2003 5.21.01 took place in San Jose Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 6, 2003 I think this is a good idea. If we are serious about this (all those who want CHANGE in the WWE) then it has to be organized. Quit debating about whether or not we should do it - that doesn't do anything but keep us from the task at hand. Just doing nothing will not change anything. The rest of this thread should be used to discuss means of getting our point across to the WWE. We have one month to plan and we have enough smart people here to think of some really effective means of protest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LatinoHeat Report post Posted April 6, 2003 Was 5.21.01 the day after Judgment Day ppv where we had that austin/hhh vs benoit/jericho quad tear 1 match? The next week there was that ****2/4 Austin/Benoit match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted April 6, 2003 The ratings we see right now may stay this way for years, no matter what Vince does or does not do. That says a few things. Namely: -It makes a better case for Vince to perhaps listen to his fans, because it wouldn't hurt. -It indicates that the current fanbase is WWF/E loyal, likely watching for many many years. They aren't fair weather fans. there are always those little moments where you truly mark out, truly fee like a fan again, and truly feel satisified I agree 1000% (not a typo) with you. I have to say it again, January 19th was that kind of night. I don't think I have to explain further. Hell, this is WHY I read spoilers every week, so I know what parts to watch that I know I will enjoy, and what parts to avoid if I think it'll annoy or anger me. Had I tuned into RAW on its live airing on Monday and seen the opener of HHH (*sigh*- I try not to mention him at all here) beating Hurricane, I cannot say that I would not have been irritated. And who wants that? I don't watch television to get PO'ed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted April 6, 2003 Yes. 5.28 was Austin v. Benoit with the Montreal finish. The next night was the more famous match in Edmonton with the ten Germans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LatinoHeat Report post Posted April 6, 2003 Ah. That's what I was thinking of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 6, 2003 Ok, let's see who is in... Me (RavishingRickRudo) (1) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted April 6, 2003 I think this is a good idea. If we are serious about this (all those who want CHANGE in the WWE) then it has to be organized. Quit debating about whether or not we should do it - that doesn't do anything but keep us from the task at hand. Just doing nothing will not change anything. The rest of this thread should be used to discuss means of getting our point across to the WWE. We have one month to plan and we have enough smart people here to think of some really effective means of protest. I am not debating if you should to it or not, I am just saying that THIS is not the way to change anything, it will not matter or factor into any Vince McMahon equation. What needs to be done is for those in the company, such as the workers, to stand up to Vince. I was hoping that Ausin would help do so after his return, but it doesn't look like that will happen now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
