russo is stupid? an idiot?

[syxx2001 0]

Speaking of the NWA-TNA, there is a difference in opinion between the two top creative writers of the promotion, Jeff Jarrett and Vince Russo. Russo wants to focus on making new stars like Ron Killings, Amazing Red, etc, while Jarrett believes that outside players and suprises each week are the key. As it stands right now, they are working on mixing both of their ideas together to come up with a winning forumla.

 

Credit: wrestlingobserver.com

 

That damned Russo. Fuck him.

[Guest Mad Dog]

I think as long as they keep each other in balance it will be fine. They should be building up those stars but the "who might show up this week" atmosphere is what they need.

 

And why not feed a surprise guest to the Ron Killings and Reds of the roster.

[Guest bob_barron]

Russo always worked programmes with the midcarders- that was one of his strengths- he's still a huge moron though

[Guest newblood03]

why do u guys continually praise TNA for there shows then call russo an idiot....when he is the main one writing for them booking etc.

[Guest El Satanico]

Well the original post is clearly dripping with sarcasm.

 

Kinda surprising that Russo doesn't think that weekly surprises is the right way they should be booking. I come on it's Mr. Swerves...or at least we were lead to believe that Russo loves swerves and surprises.

[syxx2001 0]

new blood, that is something that will boggle me for ages.

[Guest bob_barron]

I don't really praise TNA all that much.

 

The show I saw absolutely sucked and made me lose faith in TNA a bit. I'm probably gonna see another show in a couple weeks and I hope they can put on a good product

[Guest geniusMoment]

The reason most people criticize Russo is because of WCW from Oct. 99-Jan. 00 and April 00-Nov. 00. I mean come on did you watch those shows. MIA, G.I. Bro, he deserves to be shot for some of the stuff he wrote.

[Astro101 0]

I like Russo for wanting new talent, and rewarding those who worked long and hard such as Jarrett and Booker T when wCw was still running.

 

I think what they're doing is fine, the mix between old and new. It shouldn't be one way or the other. So far, the show is clicking.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

This has always been the one good thing you could make a case for about Russo.

 

He tries to get everyone over.

 

There isn't anyone on the roster (and by roster I mean people who appear at least 2 times a month) that isn't doing something.

 

The rest of his writing I could take or leave at best...but he does try to get people over.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

Russo's heart is in the right place, he wants to make new star...TV star. Many times his stupid gimmicks he comes up with kill their career (Mark Henry the sex addict, Mike Awesome the 70s guy or Fat Chick Thriller), and as I said, he wants to make TV stars, he doesnt like wrestling. But as it is now, TNA has a good balance and they use his strengths and Jarret's to create an entertaining product.

[Guest MrRant]

Who books Xplosion? It is just dark matches with no point? They should use it to further some stuff if possible.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

It's just dark matches.

[Guest MrRant]

Would you consider that a waste? I personally would as it could be used to setup minor feuds for those that are there most of the time but underused. Personal opinon though.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I don't know what they're doing. I don't see why they don't do it like this:

 

Every week a few of the stars fall into the dark match range. One time I saw Elix Skipper there, Sometimes a memeber of AMW is there...or who knows who. Sometimes guys like Sanders end up there for the week too.

 

They should put the known people against each other and the unkown guys against each other.

 

Then they should show the two matches with the known guys on the Xplosion show and spend the other half of the show showing some highlights, new interviews taped just for the show and previewing the next week.

 

That's what I'd do.

[Guest MrRant]

Yeah I don't find it taking advantage of anything by just doing dark matches. Even if they further the minor feuds on Xplosion and then when they have the two feuding wrestlers on the PPV wrestle each other they can play a quick highlight package from Xplosion.

[Guest RedJed]

This is the bottom line on Russo........his intentions are positive, always have been, as he has always tried to push new talent in line, etc. The problem is that by himself he has little or no idea at times how to do it the right way, and the particular talent (lets just Mike Awesome in WCW for example) turns into a fucking joke. Thats why its great that the Jarretts and Russo are finally seemingly working TOGETHER on the writing, as it shows lately. Jerry Jarrett has decades of wrestling booking experience under his belt (most of it in eras that mattered and used the general basics of booking 101) so he can filter out the good ideas from the bad of Russo's mind most of the time. And in a vice versa way, Russo can do the same since obviously his writing approach is different and some elements of Russo writing is what can take things to a new school type level. So its an entirely hand in hand deal with them........anyone who just thinks thats its all Russo or all Jarrett that is writing these shows lately is way off.

 

Oh yeah and Syxx or New Blood (since I think its obvious its the same person, right?).......like I just said, the reason why everyone praises TNA lately but maybe still is on Russo's jock is because he's NOT solely writing these shows filterless. He can't be given the complete praise for these shows, we dont know how much he is writing of them. None of us know what idea is his, and what is Jarretts, etc. No offense but you REALLY need to get off this whole subject of why everyone should love Russo, I don't think you're seeing the big picture of things and it gets old to keep going over it again and again. He's a nice asset right now for the company but if he was allowed to go balls out, I'm afraid there would be ALOT more bitching here about the shows. Just my two cents, but the past speaks for itself.

[Guest EN090]

I think Jerry just edits the shows so its not full blown crash TV. Therefor we don't see backstage segment after backstage segment. The storylines, however, seem a lot like Russo booking. The Raven/Styles/Jarrett world title struggle, AMW breakup, Trinity/Kid Kash.

[syxx2001 0]

nope, im one and, well, one. im not new blood. and like always, people are looking at the bad things he did, but no one remembers the monster push he gave to lance 'god' storm, or when he flamed 'mr. no push' hulk hogan on ppv, or when he gave booker t the world title. if there hadn't of been russo, i doubt you would see the hurricane, even tho he isn't funny, or sean o'haire. and im not saying "treat him like a god", but give him a chance. you all, or a majority praise tna and call it the best thing since pockets on pants when they put on a 5 star show but when it gives a bad show, you hear nothing but "fuck russo. he doesn't know what hes doing". uh, weren't you just giving praise to him for putting on a good show?

 

like i said, you dont have to suck his dick and clean his feet, but at least give the man his props when he deserves it and not throw all of the shit his way when you dont know who writes what. because today you call raven/jarrett the best build up of the year but as soon as raven drops the belt to francine, you say "russo", which is appropriate, but you dont know who did it for sure or not. and this just doesn't go for russo, but everything in life. everyone writes down the negative but never remembers the positive one does.

[Guest RedJed]

nope, im one and, well, one. im not new blood. and like always, people are looking at the bad things he did, but no one remembers the monster push he gave to lance 'god' storm, or when he flamed 'mr. no push' hulk hogan on ppv, or when he gave booker t the world title. if there hadn't of been russo, i doubt you would see the hurricane, even tho he isn't funny, or sean o'haire. and im not saying "treat him like a god", but give him a chance. you all, or a majority praise tna and call it the best thing since pockets on pants when they put on a 5 star show but when it gives a bad show, you hear nothing but "fuck russo. he doesn't know what hes doing". uh, weren't you just giving praise to him for putting on a good show?

 

like i said, you dont have to suck his dick and clean his feet, but at least give the man his props when he deserves it and not throw all of the shit his way when you dont know who writes what. because today you call raven/jarrett the best build up of the year but as soon as raven drops the belt to francine, you say "russo", which is appropriate, but you dont know who did it for sure or not. and this just doesn't go for russo, but everything in life. everyone writes down the negative but never remembers the positive one does.

Thats a very loose generalization on maybe 2 or 3 people on the board here that have been that biased, man. You're making it sound like all have that mindset, which isn't true.

[Guest bob_barron]

no one remembers the monster push he gave to lance 'god' storm

 

You mean like at New Blood Rising when he made Lance Storm look like a complete joke and completely killed any momentum he had?

 

when he flamed 'mr. no push' hulk hogan on ppv

 

Who cares? He called Hogan a piece of shit and didn't really do anything for business except get Russo sued.

 

or when he gave booker t the world title

 

That's what happens when you have discrimination lawsuits.

 

im not saying "treat him like a god", but give him a chance

 

I think we gave him a chance to truly shine in WCW. That promotion is dead now.

 

you all, or a majority praise tna and call it the best thing since pockets on pants when they put on a 5 star show but when it gives a bad show, you hear nothing but "fuck russo. he doesn't know what hes doing". uh, weren't you just giving praise to him for putting on a good show?

 

I must've missed any of these posts being made recently. I was getting sick of him hogging all the airtime a while back and the shows have seemed to improved since Russo left. The show I ordered ended with some segment where Russo was talking about beating up kids. I mean- Why I would way pay $10 to see a guy talk about that?

 

but at least give the man his props when he deserves it and not throw all of the shit his way when you dont know who writes what.

 

Russo does have his good qualities like trying to get all the midcarders visible. He just goes about it thr wrong way.

 

as soon as raven drops the belt to francine, you say "russo", which is appropriate, but you dont know who did it for sure or not.

 

If someone has a proven track record of doing stuff like that then it's fairly obvious who booked what. Russo has a history of men dropping titles to women. I don't mean to be a dick but have you heard of capitalising words? It just makes your posts hard to read and take seriously.

 

Russo did some good stuff in the WWF a while back but once 1999 came around it seems like Russo lost it all

[syxx2001 0]

well red jed, maybe im getting this board confused with the LOP board, cause there were a few people there that said they wont even give tna a chance just because russo is involved.

[Astro101 0]

More news on Russo/Jarrett

 

"Some news on the weekly process of writing NWA:TNA PPVs

 

Recently, NWA:TNA writing process has settled down quite a bit.

 

Vince Russo is apparently writing much of the show each week. After that, Jerry Jarrett reportedly goes through the scripts and edits it. Finally, Jeff Jarrett looks at the original and edited versions, and comes out with the final script.

 

Interestingly, most of the stuff that Jerry overrules and Jeff reinstates are angles where Jeff is beaten down. Jerry apparently wants Jeff booked very strong, whereas Russo seems Jarrett more like Stone Cold, getting beaten down sometimes to build heat.

 

Credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter"

 

Guess those references to SCSA weren't far off.

 

I'm sorta surprised. I thought that at least Jerry had the final say, not Jeff.

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

It's kinda nice to see a guy have some say over his own character and not go into Nash mode.

 

As for Russo, it seems like by himself he just gets out of control. He did fine in WWF with the McMahons above him, and he'd doing fine now with the Jarretts above him.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

Russo's got the right idea there. The fans were completely sick of Jarrett, and making him look really really strong wouldn't help anything. I'm still hoping he jobs to Raven, but then again, I'm biased because I'm a major Raven mark.

[Guest EN090]

You mean like at New Blood Rising when he made Lance Storm look like a complete joke and completely killed any momentum he had?

 

I guess you're in the line of thinking where one believes that if someone loses a match or is made look bad once he is no logner over. Your opinion but it's been proven to be BS over and over.

 

Who cares? He called Hogan a piece of shit and didn't really do anything for business except get Russo sued.

 

He got rid of an old piece of crap that screwed over many talented guys in the business. That's gotta be a positive.

 

That's what happens when you have discrimination lawsuits.

 

Cop-out. Russo has always backed Booker T and talked about how good he was.

 

I think we gave him a chance to truly shine in WCW. That promotion is dead now.

 

I hope you're not talking about his first WCW run where ratings were up from a 2.9 to a 3.5 before he was fired. Not only that but he was given 3 F'N months to turn the company around. Not even god could turn WCW around in three months.

 

As far as the death of WCW - He gets a little responsibilty for what he did in 2000. I enjoyed a lot of 2000 but I do admit that he was starting to lose it at the end. Who wouldn't in that situation though?

 

But he gets nowhere near as much responsibilty as Bischoff who put them something like 200 million dollars behind. Nowhere near as Bill Busch who CHris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Perry Saturn, and Dean MAlenko left because of. Nowhere near as much as Hogan, Nash, etc who used their political powers to screw over young talent many times. Nowhere near as much as Jamie Kellner who hated wrestling and banished them from TBS/TNT even though they were still scoring some of highest ratings at the time. And nowhere near as much as Brad Siegel who couldn't take his balls in his hand and take control of the company.

 

If someone has a proven track record of doing stuff like that then it's fairly obvious who booked what.

 

Just like it was fairly obvious who booked the Dupp Cup right? Everyone was pointing the finger of blame at Russo until we found out that Jerry Jarrett booked that little gem.

[Guest bob_barron]

I guess you're in the line of thinking where one believes that if someone loses a match or is made look bad once he is no logner over. Your opinion but it's been proven to be BS over and over.

 

It killed all of Lance Storm's momentum and since afterwards he was transferred to a feud with Hugh Morrus it never really recovered.

 

He got rid of an old piece of crap that screwed over many talented guys in the business. That's gotta be a positive.

 

Not really- all it did was kill 20 minutes on a Pay Per View and get Russo sued. It was a nice mark-out moment for Hogan haters but it didn't really do anything for anyone. Russo's shoot interview ended up giving us the Steiner v. Goldberg v. Nash feud.

 

Cop-out. Russo has always backed Booker T and talked about how good he was.

 

I just find the timing of the whole thing to be very suspicious.

 

I hope you're not talking about his first WCW run where ratings were up from a 2.9 to a 3.5 before he was fired. Not only that but he was given 3 F'N months to turn the company around. Not even god could turn WCW around in three months.

 

Ratings don't mean that much- it's the Pay Per Views that are important. Starrcade 99 drew the second lowest buyrate of the year for WCW and this was well into his reign.

 

I don't know where you're getting your Nitro ratings from. Russo never drew a 3.5 on Nitro in his first run. His best rating was a 3.4 which he drew on November 22nd but it was just a one week thing as the rating went back down to a 3.1.

 

I'm not placing the sole blame on him for the death of WCW but he did a play key role in it. He didn't listen to what the fanbase wanted and as a result WCW completely crashed and burned. Him playing hot potato with the WCW title just continued to piss off the fanbase.

 

Just like it was fairly obvious who booked the Dupp Cup right? Everyone was pointing the finger of blame at Russo until we found out that Jerry Jarrett booked that little gem.

 

The Dupp Cup thing was a little suspicious but I won't dispute it. The NWA I've seen involving Russo was painful and boring and made me want to change the channel. He sucks on the mic and I'm so glad they took him off TV.

[Guest Zack Malibu]

I stick up for Russo a lot, because I like his booking philosophy of "there's a place for everyone". In WCW he managed to individulize most characters, something unheard of in the nWo era. Bischoff was content with just sticking guys out there...it was Russo who gave them some personality.

 

The Mike Awesome ordeal, as told in the Mike Awesome shoot, was because he was friends with Horace and Hulk Hogan. That's why he went from Career Killer to Fat Chick Thriller.

 

Booker T. himself voluntarily decided to break out his original G.I. Bro gimmick to help further the MIA angle.

 

Lance Storm benefitted GREATLY from Russo being there. I wouldn't call his feud with Morrus his downfall, as they were trying to elevate Hugh. Remember when Goldberg came out and praised him, etc.? They were just trying to make a new star.

 

As for NWA, it's nice to see they have a system going. The last few shows have been done incredibly well IMO. My only complaint is that SEX is getting very nWo-ish, with so many people joining (Barton and Young are the two examples I have for this). However, let's not forget that Raven and Mike Sanders have also gotten praise for their booking in the past (Raven moreso) and can contribute at any time. What they need to do with NWA is settle on the core of talent to push (which they appear to be doing, but still guys like Truth are MIA with no explanation), scatter the surprises,and things will work out fine.

[Astro101 0]

Well, from those reports, dunno how true, I had read that Russo took himself off. Jeff Jarrett is the one that's always lobbying to put him on tv since he thinks Russo is good at a heel.

[syxx2001 0]

yea i read that too. russo wants to be off tv, but jarrett wants him on tv. and astro, jeff owns the company so he should get the final say. and does anyone have a pic of jerry. for some reason i see him as a dusty rhodes lookalike.