Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted April 23, 2003 Oh my goodness. Yes, you should always learn from history. One of the reasons why Hitler failed was because he didn't listen to his advisors. Vince, is the same way. No Vince isn't going to kill himself, but if he doesn't listen to people, his wrestling empire will fail. That is what I am comparing, why is it only like 3 of you can see that? Why should Vince listen to Paul Heyman? His wrestling empire also crumbled ECW crumbled mainly from his financial, not creative decisions. Look at Smackdown during the Heyman and post-Heyman era as head writer and you tell me which is better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted April 23, 2003 Eh- Heyman may have put on great matches but it didnt really do anything for anyone in the end. Week after week the matches were great but he kept putting the same match out there for three months and I was pretty bored with it by January. Plus- he was able to give them the world on SD! yet on PPV the matches would always be dissapointing because they didnt have enough time. I don't think all those long matches with high impact bumps helped Edge and Angle's neck. SD! may have had better workrate in the fall but I still enjoy SD! today Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Banky Report post Posted April 23, 2003 "Hitler also combined his insistence on personal control with a leadership style that often consisted of equal parts indecisiveness and stubbornness. He sometimes put off difficult decisions for weeks, especially as the military situation grew worse. In 1943, for instance, his inability to make up his mind about an attack at Kursk eventually pushed the attack back from April to July - by which time the Soviets were well prepared. Arguments among his commanders and advisors did not help the situation. By late 1942 Hitler's subordinates had split into cliques that competed for increasingly scarce resources, while he remained the final arbiter of all disputes. His senior commanders felt free to contact him directly; they knew that the last man to brief him often got what he wanted. At other times, though, Hitler would cling to a decision stubbornly, regardless of its merits. His decision to attack in the Ardennes in 1944 is one good example: his commanders tried, both directly and indirectly, to persuade him to adopt a more realistic plan, without success." Ahh, 1944...the year Hitler went insane. In 1945 he also refused to believe that Germany had lost. He got dellusional after Mindway, Alamain, and Stalingrad - but it was his stubborn belief that they had not lost the war. Ardenndes, the late start for Barbarossa, declaring war on America, and Operation Sealion are a few of his blunders - but there were so many things he did succesfully that were a team effort. Even in terms of production, he didn't have his pulse on the entire war effort. He was indifferent to the Balkans, thus other people were responsible for it. I'll admit by 1943 onwards that there are very slight comparisons to Vince McMahon - in an odd kinda way. But there are so many other factors that contribued to Hitler's insanity, paranoia, and stubborness that Vince doesn't have to deal with. I just can't grasp the comparison since Hitler's war effort is so much more complex that a wrestling company. PS. I am not saying Hitler did good in Europe. But he had an amazing streak from Sept 39 - Dec 41. Keeping in mind his rearmament of Germany from 1933 onwards, his success is what lead an entire nation to follow him in his rigid beliefs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest notJames Report post Posted April 24, 2003 "Hitler also combined his insistence on personal control with a leadership style that often consisted of equal parts indecisiveness and stubbornness. He sometimes put off difficult decisions for weeks, especially as the military situation grew worse. In 1943, for instance, his inability to make up his mind about an attack at Kursk eventually pushed the attack back from April to July - by which time the Soviets were well prepared. Arguments among his commanders and advisors did not help the situation. By late 1942 Hitler's subordinates had split into cliques that competed for increasingly scarce resources, while he remained the final arbiter of all disputes. His senior commanders felt free to contact him directly; they knew that the last man to brief him often got what he wanted. At other times, though, Hitler would cling to a decision stubbornly, regardless of its merits. His decision to attack in the Ardennes in 1944 is one good example: his commanders tried, both directly and indirectly, to persuade him to adopt a more realistic plan, without success." I think if Molestomp had dropped this kind of knowledge, this thread wouldn't have veered into angry ranting so quickly. Well played, Triple R. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Banky Report post Posted April 24, 2003 "Hitler also combined his insistence on personal control with a leadership style that often consisted of equal parts indecisiveness and stubbornness. He sometimes put off difficult decisions for weeks, especially as the military situation grew worse. In 1943, for instance, his inability to make up his mind about an attack at Kursk eventually pushed the attack back from April to July - by which time the Soviets were well prepared. Arguments among his commanders and advisors did not help the situation. By late 1942 Hitler's subordinates had split into cliques that competed for increasingly scarce resources, while he remained the final arbiter of all disputes. His senior commanders felt free to contact him directly; they knew that the last man to brief him often got what he wanted. At other times, though, Hitler would cling to a decision stubbornly, regardless of its merits. His decision to attack in the Ardennes in 1944 is one good example: his commanders tried, both directly and indirectly, to persuade him to adopt a more realistic plan, without success." I think if Molestomp had dropped this kind of knowledge, this thread wouldn't have veered into angry ranting so quickly. Well played, Triple R. I think he found it off of a website or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EternallyLazy Report post Posted April 24, 2003 Let me extend a "fuck you" to most of you here complaining. Do you know how many offensive remarks you people make on an every day basis?!? Jesus Christ people, get lives! Molestomp didn't say a goddamn offensive thing. This level of misinterpreting another man's statement is getting a little too close to the ridiculousness of Political Correctness for my tastes Oh wait wait wait wait... I forgot. Bitching... on an internet wrestling board? Nevermind... carry on. I wouldn't want to disrupt the most important thing in your lives Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EternallyLazy Report post Posted April 24, 2003 I also forgot that this is the exact same message board where several people said it was okay for a 45 year old man to "date" a girl as young as 8 years old as long as nothing "sexual" was involved Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 24, 2003 Of course I found it off a website and it took me 20 seconds to find - what? do you think I actually learned something in 20th Century History Class other than how to end a presentation on the Coldwar with triple bill cosby impressions? (Oh, dats right. Best Presentation... Ever.) I knew of Hitlers 'mental state' before this thing started which is why I said Molestomps comparison was valid (Plus I really hate McMahon). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lord of The Curry Report post Posted April 24, 2003 YEAH BABY YEAH! Triple impressions of Bill Cosby AND me and Rudo going at it Mike Tyson's Punch-Out style = best history presentation ever! Don't get us started on our presentation in Grade 11 Law Class, that was something to behold as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted April 24, 2003 Oh my goodness. Yes, you should always learn from history. One of the reasons why Hitler failed was because he didn't listen to his advisors. Vince, is the same way. No Vince isn't going to kill himself, but if he doesn't listen to people, his wrestling empire will fail. That is what I am comparing, why is it only like 3 of you can see that? Why should Vince listen to Paul Heyman? His wrestling empire also crumbled ECW crumbled mainly from his financial, not creative decisions. Look at Smackdown during the Heyman and post-Heyman era as head writer and you tell me which is better. It's kind of a double edged sword, though. If Heyman had put been putting out a product that a large number of people wanted to see, he wouldn't have had financial trouble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted April 24, 2003 I am honestly fed up with this. If we can't discuss what I am talking about without people flaming me, then whatever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Banky Report post Posted April 24, 2003 I am honestly fed up with this. If we can't discuss what I am talking about without people flaming me, then whatever. But I proved my point clearly. So I didn't really need to flame you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 24, 2003 Heyman definitely over-reached and went beyond his companies capabilities. But I don't think his product was the problem - he just tried to sign his wrestlers to WWE-esque contracts, he decided to go into the Videogame business, he decided to move to PPV a lil too early (misjudged the market) and the TV deal and subsequent promotion was pretty poor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Psycho Diablo Report post Posted April 24, 2003 I am honestly fed up with this. If we can't discuss what I am talking about without people flaming me, then whatever. Don't worry. If it's not Clique gay jokes, HHH hate, or Fuck Goldberg..there's not much a lot of people here have to say. There ARE a lot of intelligent posters, but the rampant stupidity kind of drags any efforts at real discussion down. Now for my thought: Vince has basically fucked himself over. He's out of touch with his core audience (wrestling fans), pushes guys people don't want to see (A-Train, Big Show, HHH, etc) opposed to ones they genuinely react to (RVD, Booker, Angle, etc), and surrounds himself with people who won't tell him the truth. Three strikes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted April 24, 2003 surrounds himself with people who won't tell him the truth. EXACTLY, that is what I am comparing Hitler to Vince with. That is it, that is it. Thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Hamburglar Report post Posted April 24, 2003 surrounds himself with people who won't tell him the truth. EXACTLY, that is what I am comparing Hitler to Vince with. That is it, that is it. Thank you. Well...surely you could find more pertinent examples? Like for example, a businessman of some kind whose major corporation went to shit because he didn't listen to advice? Not being up on economics I don't have many examples, but I'm sure you could find one instead of going for lowest common denominator-boy Hitler. And Paul Heyman is ghey, that's why ECW fucked up, because he can't book for shit. Fuck, what am I saying, this entire thread is ghey. This argument is ghey. By even replying to it, I have being infected with gheyness. Please, someone, burn this thread now. Fucking hell, Hitler/Vince comparisons? That's not about political correctness, its about fucking idiocy. What's the follow up to this shit, a thread entitled "Vince should employ a Magic Mirror that tells him the Truth"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EternallyLazy Report post Posted April 24, 2003 surrounds himself with people who won't tell him the truth. EXACTLY, that is what I am comparing Hitler to Vince with. That is it, that is it. Thank you. Well...surely you could find more pertinent examples? Like for example, a businessman of some kind whose major corporation went to shit because he didn't listen to advice? Not being up on economics I don't have many examples, but I'm sure you could find one instead of going for lowest common denominator-boy Hitler. And Paul Heyman is ghey, that's why ECW fucked up, because he can't book for shit. Fuck, what am I saying, this entire thread is ghey. This argument is ghey. By even replying to it, I have being infected with gheyness. Please, someone, burn this thread now. Fucking hell, Hitler/Vince comparisons? That's not about political correctness, its about fucking idiocy. What's the follow up to this shit, a thread entitled "Vince should employ a Magic Mirror that tells him the Truth"? Maybe it's because I'm in a really really bad mood... but this board is growing into an effiminate bitch society of whiney wrestling dweebs He compared ONE aspect of Hitler's personality to Vince McMahon's personality. And everyone starts to whine and cry about him being insensitive... incredible Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 25, 2003 It's "that time of the month" for the board Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Hamburglar Report post Posted April 25, 2003 He compared ONE aspect of Hitler's personality to Vince McMahon's personality. And everyone starts to whine and cry about him being insensitive... incredible Oh, I could care less about sensivity. Its the sheer dumb-fuckery of it that offends. Hitler - Vince Mcmahon. Are you saying you don't find the comparison slightly ridiculous in the least? Such a great example of gimboid behaviour should be rightly mocked, 'tis only fair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 25, 2003 Depends on your feelings towards Vince Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted April 25, 2003 I am an idiot for comparing a simple fact? Hitler didn't listen to people, that is one of the reasons why he failed. Vince isn't listening to people, so his company might fail. It doesn't matter what you're comparing. You have to realize what the name "Hitler" means to some people. Jesus Christ, what an irresponsible comparison. By comparing someone as insiginficant as a fucking wrestling promoter to a man who tried to exterminate an entire race of people, you're greatly trivializing the genocidal maniac. And I don't really care what your basis of comparison is, before you remind us all for the 400th time. You could be comparing the size of their pinkies for all I care. Rapper and athletes surround themselves with yes-men, too. OMG P DIDDY IZ HITLER~!!!! Vince McMahon is a fucking wrestling promoter. Hitler was a mass-murdering fuckhead. By comparing the two, on any level, you, Molestomp, have proven yourself to simply be a fuckhead. That is all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Bruiser Chong Report post Posted April 25, 2003 When one of the nicer and more intelligent mods tells you that you're a fuckhead, it may be time to pack it up. Yes, the two men have that one thing in common, but like countless others have already said, there are thousands and thousands of others who share that same trait. We got the comparison, you made your point, gave one more reason for people to think you're a moron, and that's that. The end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted April 25, 2003 OMG111111!!!1!1 HITLER WAS ANIDIOT MOLE IS AN IDOT MOLESTOMP IS LIKE HILTER FELLAS!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Superstar Report post Posted April 25, 2003 I heard that "Fellas" was a very common word in Hitler's vocabulary. And THEN I read that one time at a restaurant the waiter asked him what drink he wanted, and he replied "Triple Juice." Huh. Bob, I think your comparison is VERY ACCURATE~~~~~~1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted April 25, 2003 I also think Hitler hated Banky Edwards and women's wrestling. They're practically twins! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Banky Report post Posted April 25, 2003 molestomp got told. How funny yet pathetic. Will he ever learn? Awww, are we in for trouble. His stupidity will remain for years to come. Truly sad he has the intellect of a 6 year old dog. I pity the fool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ravenbomb Report post Posted April 25, 2003 I completely agree. Hitler would have never pushed Goldberg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest evenflowDDT Report post Posted April 25, 2003 I completely agree. Hitler would have never pushed Goldberg. Sure he would. He'd headline against Berlin in the world's first Aushchwitz Barbed Wire Inferno Deathmatch for the title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Report post Posted April 26, 2003 Vince McMahon is a fucking wrestling promoter. Hitler was a mass-murdering fuckhead. By comparing the two, on any level, you, Molestomp, have proven yourself to simply be a fuckhead. I just want to see a QED stamped at the end of this. It could be the best proof ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
