Guest Anglesault Report post Posted April 24, 2003 Just giving it to him will make no one care and ruin all the work since December. There's no reason to gve him a secondary belt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewisyourHero Report post Posted April 24, 2003 Not even the "Kurt Angle is your personal Jesus" title? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lightning Flik Report post Posted April 24, 2003 Just giving it to him will make no one care and ruin all the work since December. There's no reason to gve him a secondary belt. Well, if it's a secondary title, then why not play it out like this? Note: This is only going to work with heel Angle. If the WWE brings him back as face, then meh to this. This also assumes that WWE has can actually write storylines. This furthermore assumes that I write this out so it doesn't sound bad. And yes, the part with the match and afterwards gets iffy, but I just thought of this. What do you expect? Genius in one shot? Anyways... Say Angle comes back and the WWE announces that he's lost a ton of weight from getting back in shape and training to be better than before. He's weighing in at just 220lbs (I'm trying to be consistant, but like that's needed with WWE). Now upon Angle's return he makes a promo cutting the facts that he's glad that Brock respects him and had a blast in their match. What's even more, is the fact that he can't WAIT to for their rematch for the WWE Title. However, Angle's not really prepared to face Brock again. Sure, he's back and healthier than EVER, but frankly he wants to make sure that he's more in shape then he's ever been in his life. Thusly he needs a way to test that. And he challenges the THEN current Cruiserweight Champion (could be Mysterio, Hardy, hell even Kendrick for all I care). Of course Angle and the Champion have words and they do insult tradings and then we get the Champion stating that if Kurt wants him, he'll put the title on the line cause the Champion believes he'll beat him. Now the two have a match (at SD! or at a PPV) and subsequently Angle wins the match. Although, it's for the Cruiserweight title, and Angle won it, he doesn't want it. All he wanted was the match again the Champion, not the actual title itself, however Angle gets stuck with it. Have Kurt immediately come out the following SD! and cut a promo about how he doesn't want the title and feels that it is beneath him to be the Cruiserweight Champion. MAKE him demean the title. You know, typical Angle style. Then have the current contender for the Cruiserweight title (or the former Champion, either one will do) and have him correct Angle and admit that there is something demeaning about this whole situation. It's him being the Champion. Have the Challenger tell Kurt off about how it's demeaning to the title to be on someone who went into a match for it, but didn't even want it in the first place. The Challenger will also have to make sure that he gets under Angle's skin about how Kurt claims he's such a great athlete and Champion of Champions, yet when he's a true Champion, he's nothing more than a chump. While this feud is going on, make them build up the title by having Kurt rarely beat out any other competitors for the title. Not by making Kurt look weak by any stance, but having the Cruiserweights just seemingly look good each and every night. Also letting them cut a twenty minute match, and giving the Cruiserweight title a ME posting on SD one in a blue moon would only benefit more. Also making sure the Challenger can actually beat hosses and can actually put on a match and have history with Angle would help as well. Hence why I had stated Kendrick, but Mysterio would also work well as he's never beaten Angle (or just in a very long time if I'm mistaken). Of course the feud will build from what I've mentioned and so would the title. That's about as far as I can come up with before I start adding things that will only bring up more and more flaws then some that can already be seen. I mean, Cruiser title match in the ME slot in the WWE? Please, even I know that's a farce. All I'm trying to do with that little tidbit is say that you CAN make a guy who is higher up then the belt have that title. Just make what is at stake all that much more valuable than it was. I say Angle should do this because he's probably the only viable person who could pull it offl; as his character would be the only one that would give it that much more belief to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted April 24, 2003 I'm not thrilled with that at all. Fans don't care about the cruiserweight belt. The Cuisers? Yes. The Belt? No. By it's very definition, the belt is for people who are too small to be anything. How do you get behind that? Too much risk of the belt dragging Angle down with it I would abolish th belt. Let the guys who are currently cruisers still face eachother occasionally, sure. Get a TV title or something for them to feud over Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lightning Flik Report post Posted April 24, 2003 I'm not thrilled with that at all. Fans don't care about the cruiserweight belt. The Cuisers? Yes. The Belt? No. By it's very definition, the belt is for people who are too small to be anything. How do you get behind that? Too much risk of the belt dragging Angle down with it I would abolish th belt. Let the guys who are currently cruisers still face eachother occasionally, sure. Get a TV title or something for them to feud over Ok, firstly: Sorry for suggesting the cruiserweight thing with Angle. Yes, I knew it was a stupid thing to say, but I knew your reaction would be hilarious as hell. Still, egging ya on isn't really right. Now onto why I just quoted you. Also to what I'm getting at in my last posting. Personally, I see the problem is as lack of perception, rather than lack of the division actually being a place for all the "small" guys. You see, the Cruiserweight Championship should be the embodiment of the Champion of that category. The Cruiserweight Champion should be the person who is greatest 220lbs (or 225lbs, whichever works for you) or below. Does this mean the Cruiserweight Champion is better than the WWE Champion if that Champion were say 218lbs? Maybe. Still though, what any federation should do when creating a title is give it a perception of something bigger than itself. Sure, everyone wants to be the WWE Champion, that's a fact. However, all the titles must STILL look like they are valued for a reason. The Cruiserweight Championship still needs to look like that it's for any given worker 220lbs or less to prove that they are the best at that category. Some examples of what I mean: If a TV Championship was born, then that title should be represented as the fact that it proves that this person is the best worker on televised matches. If the International Championship was brought back, then that title should represent that this is the best worker internationally. If the European Championship was brought back, then that title should represent that this is the best worker of either Europe, or European ansectory (perferably this, as it would make just about anyone from North America applicable). If the Hardcore Championship was brought back, then that title should represent that this is the best worker in hard core matches. etc. All the companies true Championship (like the WWE World, or WWE Title) should be, is the shining example of all the foremention titles before it. This title should be the title that says he's the best that the company has to offer. These titles should have perceptions of something more than just "a title for a worker to have because he's not ready enough to be the World Championship". That was the problem with the International, European, and Hardcore (besides the fact that this was overdone). They had just become nothing more than "a title for a worker to have". There was no real passion behind any of the title reigns before their demise. The all too sudden title changes didn't help, but really. What was the purpose of the titles by 2001? Nothing more than a title for someone else to hold. And yes. Two of the titles I stated in example were almost identically the same in usage, but they can be played out differently. It used to be that the Intercontinental Champion would be soon to go after the World title. But in 2001, the title was nothing more than just a place holder for the Angles, Benoits, and Jerichos (hell, add Edge, RVD, Kane, etc. in there as well) to battle with because the WWE would not make them into true WWE World Champions. Hence why I'm stating that you need to change the perception of the Cruiserweight title. Sure, it's not the Company's Top Tier Title, but make it out to be something more than "a title for small guys to use because we aren't willing to give them shots at the world title". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted April 24, 2003 You see, the Cruiserweight Championship should be the embodiment of the Champion of that category. The Cruiserweight Champion should be the person who is greatest 220lbs (or 225lbs, whichever works for you) or below. Still, it's the best of the small guys. All the other titles were (in theory) viewed as climbing up a ladder to the world title. This is nothing but a belt for guys who don't consider themselves big enough. Relegating guys by their weight is detrimental in the long run. I've always felt that way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gWIL 0 Report post Posted April 24, 2003 Both Titles would be nice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted April 24, 2003 Whaddyaknow--Scott Hall actually did something good for the business for the first time in years. (For those who didn't see the original article, he told Angle about Dr. Jho.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lightning Flik Report post Posted April 24, 2003 All the other titles were (in theory) viewed as climbing up a ladder to the world title. This is nothing but a belt for guys who don't consider themselves big enough. Relegating guys by their weight is detrimental in the long run. I've always felt that way. In theory it can still mean that, but by giving it it's own perception it doesn't just end up be that. Yes, making weight orianted belts does screw things up. And yes AndrewTS. Scott Hall apparently did some good while being back here iin the WWE for a bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt Angle Mark 0 Report post Posted April 24, 2003 Whaddyaknow--Scott Hall actually did something good for the business for the first time in years. (For those who didn't see the original article, he told Angle about Dr. Jho.) Technically it was Dr. Jho who contacted Kurt Angle after the Doctor read the article about Kurt 's injury in the Pittsburgh Gazette. Kurt Angle called Scott Hall to ask about Dr. Jho and Hall gave Dr. Jho the highest of recommendations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted April 24, 2003 I know the actual weight, but the WWE declared that their required weight class is 220lbs. WWE's 2003 Preview magazine from January lists the cruiserweight max at 225. One month later, the Matt Hardy 220 angle appears. *sigh* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted April 24, 2003 I know the actual weight, but the WWE declared that their required weight class is 220lbs. WWE's 2003 Preview magazine from January lists the cruiserweight max at 225. One month later, the Matt Hardy 220 angle appears. *sigh* Oh, yeah. I have that too, because I got it when I went to the SD taping a month ago. But hey, consistency never was the WWE's strong suit. Technically it was Dr. Jho who contacted Kurt Angle after the Doctor read the article about Kurt 's injury in the Pittsburgh Gazette. Kurt Angle called Scott Hall to ask about Dr. Jho and Hall gave Dr. Jho the highest of recommendations. Eh, well, that still counts for something I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lightning Flik Report post Posted April 24, 2003 I know the actual weight, but the WWE declared that their required weight class is 220lbs. WWE's 2003 Preview magazine from January lists the cruiserweight max at 225. One month later, the Matt Hardy 220 angle appears. *sigh* Uh, that WAS what I was refering too. Hardy wanted to get himself down to the Cruiserweight class. However, it was Michael Cole who brought it up first I believe about being 220lbs. Or perhaps it was Hardy. Still, I was refering to that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted April 24, 2003 Shawn Michaels, HHH, etc call themselves Grand Slam Champions, but if any of them have won the Cruiser belt, they've certainly never won the Women's belt. By those standards, the only man who could qualify to ever be a Grand Slam would be Harvey Whippleman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted April 24, 2003 Shawn Michaels, HHH, etc call themselves Grand Slam Champions, but if any of them have won the Cruiser belt, they've certainly never won the Women's belt. By those standards, the only man who could qualify to ever be a Grand Slam would be Harvey Whippleman. X-Pac or Michaels could pass for women. Chyna was a former women's champion and IC champion... Okay, I'll shut up now. KURT ANGLE IS WEEEELLLL!! WHOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites