X-2 Thoughts

May 4, 2003

Sakura:

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I don't want to see the a Phoenix Saga either. I hated it in the comics and the cartoon. I just never got into it. Brotherhood of Mutants has already been done, but I really don't want to see Pocky. Mr. Sinister, maybe.

Yuna:

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... somehow they just are. They use to knock down Sentinels in the cartoon, so they must have some sort of bang.

May 4, 2003

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Silent conversation!~ I haven't read the comics or seen *much* of the toons, but how could little sparklies be "dangerous"?

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I would imagine that there's a varying degree of intensity for each spark. Maybe when they explode they let out a burst of energy that could be harmful? Like a grenade perhaps. Although, like I said I'm not familiar with Jubilee, so I wouldn't know.

May 4, 2003

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I swear if they do like time travel with Cable, Bishop and Apocalypse the whole franchise will be the next Batman.

That would be fuckin' awesome. I loved that series.

May 4, 2003

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The ending was kind of sad, but I hope like hell they don't do the Phoenix saga. Characters who die should stay dead.

Cyclops didn't have alot of screen time.

Iceman was more of a girl than Rogue.

Sometimes Magneto's costume looked very silly.

Colossus turning into steel was cool.

Magneto using his powers to escape the prison was cool.

Nightcrawler in the beginning of the movie was somewhat cool, but it paled in comparison to the Matrix stuff that had come on right before the movie.

The Blackbird landing in the middle of the street seemed kind of silly.

It was kind of neat seeing Mystique standing next to Nightcrawler because you could see how similar they looked. Were they related in the comic?

I was surprised that they showed Wolverine using his heightened senses in one scene (hearing the soldiers enter the mansion) but they didn't have him use his sense of smell to know that Mystique was with him in the tent.

I marked out when Gambit's name appeared during Mystique's search.

I marked out when they had Hank McCoy on the tv.

I thought the part where Charles Xavier was in the White House was cheesy as hell.

Character development was alot better in this movie than in the first one.

Edited May 4, 2003 by pinnacleofallthingsmanly

May 4, 2003

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It was kind of neat seeing Mystique standing next to Nightcrawler because you could see how similar they looked. Were they related in the comic?

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Mystique is Nightcrawler's mother.

May 4, 2003

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I too am a bit concerned about how they will explain the whole Pheonix saga. They've already strayed from the comic's storyline. Throughout the movie, Jean already seemingly had these "firery" powers within her, negating all of the cosmic involvement depicted in the comic arc. But like Sakura mentioned, I wouldn't want this franchise to turn into something as cheesy as "X-Men in Space." Fuck, it's hard enough for me to believe that Xavier is rich enough to own all that shit in his mansion, but now space travel? I don't think it would be good.

I marked out for Remy Lebeau and Hank McCoy's cameos as well.

Stan Lee wasn't in this one, perhaps because he already had a "character" in the X-Men universe from the first movie, and it would've seemed too coincidental for a pedestrian to be in random scenes of both films.

A question I had in the car with friends on the drive home from the theatre: When Rogue touched Pyro's leg to absorb his power, shouldn't Pyro have been in a coma? In the first film, all she did was touch Wolvie for a few seconds and he nearly died. Fucking Wolverine almost died and yet Pyro gets back up immediately unscathed; cheerful, even. My friend suggested that Rogue has perhaps learned to control her powers over the time spent with Xavier. I accepted that.

Speaking of no-selling, you definitely get the impression that Wolverine is damn-near invincible after watching the movie. Gun shot to the head, multiple stab wounds and a broken heart aren't enough to even dent the guy, yet someone who has his exact ability (btw, Lady Deathstrike is a completely different character in the movie, she just shares the name and appearance) dies off after just one fight. I know they didn't have enough time for more stuff with Deathstrike, so I don't really fault them that much. Just a minor complaint amongst a near flawless film.

Also, I like Mystique a lot more after watching X2. I guess the reason why Wolverine didn't smell her soon enough may be because he was still in shock over his crush entering his tent. He did smell her in the fight scene of the first movie, though.

Also, was it really neccessary to have EVERY X-Man in the Oval Office in that final scene? I especially think it took something away from Cyclops' supposed mood right after Jean's death, which wasn't that great to begin with. I laughed out loud too when Marsden was trying to cry in the cockpit. Hugh Jackman going, "She's gone... she... she's g..." didn't help either. But I think it's hard for anyone to take Cyclops seriously because he looks so damn goofy with that visor. The new visor looks better than they one they used in the first movie, though.

Oh yeah, and Nightcrawler left that Jason kid to die in Cerebro. Heheh, thought that was kinda funny. Was Jason or Stryker ever in the comics?

BTW, when do you think we can stop using the spoiler tags?

May 4, 2003

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I've a feeling there's more going on with Xavier having the tech he does than they're letting on. I don't think they're just going to spring Phoenix. Let's give these people some fucking credit, they've done pretty well keeping ahold of things so far.

May 4, 2003

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Also, was it really neccessary to have EVERY X-Man in the Oval Office in that final scene? I especially think it took something away from Cyclops' supposed mood right after Jean's death, which wasn't that great to begin with. I laughed out loud too when Marsden was trying to cry in the cockpit. Hugh Jackman going, "She's gone... she... she's g..." didn't help either. But I think it's hard for anyone to take Cyclops seriously because he looks so damn goofy with that visor. The new visor looks better than they one they used in the first movie, though.

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If Cyclops had been given better character development throughtout THIS film, his reaction to Jean's death would've been MUCH more believable. Her death was sort of anti-climatic, which may be my one complaint with the film (again directly attributed to the lack of storyline development between Logan, Jean and 'Clops)

BTW, when do you think we can stop using the spoiler tags?

Hopefully soon...maybe after the weekend's over?

May 4, 2003

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Also, was it really neccessary to have EVERY X-Man in the Oval Office in that final scene? I especially think it took something away from Cyclops' supposed mood right after Jean's death, which wasn't that great to begin with. I laughed out loud too when Marsden was trying to cry in the cockpit. Hugh Jackman going, "She's gone... she... she's g..." didn't help either. But I think it's hard for anyone to take Cyclops seriously because he looks so damn goofy with that visor. The new visor looks better than they one they used in the first movie, though.

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If Cyclops had been given better character development throughtout THIS film, his reaction to Jean's death would've been MUCH more believable. Her death was sort of anti-climatic, which may be my one complaint with the film (again directly attributed to the lack of storyline development between Logan, Jean and 'Clops)

Yeah, you might be right. If he was in more of the movie, I might've gotten used to that stupid visor by the time he had a major dramatic scene.

What would've been cool to see during that scene was if Cyclops shot a huge, massive blast into the air while his jaw dropped open screaming, like he does in the comics/cartoon. But I guess it wasn't possible with the Blackbird/X-jet.

May 4, 2003

With the last scenes/emotions of X-2 I can't imagine they'd go "into space"

I think/hope that they go back to the whole humans v. mutants v. other mutants stuff. More specifically, I think that Sentinals would be totally appropriate for the next movie. With their big budget special effects it would be pulled off well, and if they pull off a scene with lots of sentinals and a lot of action, it could be really good.

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But on the other hand, I did see a lot of foreboding things in Jeans eyes, and they wouldn't want to keep the actress out of the next movie. I mean it's not even like we saw Jean Grey die, they obviously are going to bring her back. I just don't think it will involve any sort of outer space anything. Maybe they should just deviate from the comic books entirely and just kill of Cyclops since he fucking SUCKS, as well as Storm. Bring in a good Gambit, have Shadowcat grow up some, and you've got yourself a movie.

May 4, 2003

I'm loving getting all this cool info about the history of X-Men. I never got into it and didn't know anything about any of the characters. I enjoyed the movies though. I'm really into this now. Some of the stuff from the comics is sounding really contrived though, I hope they don't ruin the next movie with ridiculous plots. I enjoy just seeing all the kids with their powers, I hope they bring some of them in. Perhaps someone could post a full list of all the characters and their mutations. That'd be cool, I'd like to put a few names to some of the faces I saw in the movie.

May 4, 2003

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I read somewhere that Sabretooth is going to be in the next movie so take that for whatever it's worth. Also, don't forget that Magneto is on the loose now so the mutants versus other mutants scenario will be presented.

I don't get why people hate Cyclops and love Wolverine so much. I guess it's the way his character is always written. I always felt that there should be something special about him since he is the leader of the X-Men and is dating one of the most powerful psychics in the world. In my opinion, he should be the equivalent of Michael Jordan to the X-Men with Professor X being Phil Jackson. Some people might think his optic blasts are a sucky power, but just remember how long ago he was created. I don't know, I don't see how you could watch Storm do the things that she did, Jean Grey do the things that she did, know that people with powers like these defer to Cyclops and still think of him as some kind of bitch. Also, he might seem like a dick in the movies, but that's because the movies have been written with a pro-Wolverine angle. The guy comes in and tries to get with his girl, takes pleasure in stealing his shit, but Cyclops is the dick. Wolverine steals his bike to go to Alkali Lake and then tells him that it's out of gas. Is Cyclops a dick for telling him to fill it back up? Also, Cyclops wasn't given enough screen time because they decided that it would be better to focus on Wolverine for most of the movie then to distribute the screen time a little more evenly, especially considering the fact that Cyclops watches his girlfriend die at the end of the movie. You figure that since it's hard enough to see his emotions through the visor, his character would get more time to develop so that he doesn't look like a bitch.

Let's see:

1)He gets his ass beaten at Magneto's prison.

2)Wolverine finds the Backstreet Boys CD playing in his car.

3)The one time he gets to use his optic blasts is against Jean Grey when he's under Stryker's control, and even then he gets his optic blast reversed.

4) He was the only member of the X-Men who Stryker used with his mind control stuff.

5) He's crying throughout the end of the movie.

They didn't do a great job of making the leader of the X-Men a good character.

May 4, 2003

Perhaps someone could post a full list of all the characters and their mutations. That'd be cool, I'd like to put a few names to some of the faces I saw in the movie.

The thing about these movies are that they ren't ture adaptations of the comic books. One of the people that I went with (who I didn't even know ever read the comics) was complaining about some people being able to do stuff in the movie that they weren't supposed to be able to do. When you watch these movies, you have to wipe the slate clean.

May 4, 2003

Pinacle-

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They kept Cyclop's character low-key for this movie because it's pretty obvious that Wolverine is going to take a backseat in X3 and Cyclops is going to be a main player in the Pheonix/Dark Pheonix saga.

Yuna_Firerose · May 4, 2003

Some of the stuff from the comics is sounding really contrived though, I hope they don't ruin the next movie with ridiculous plots.

Trying to turn the world leaders into mutants via large, spinning, swirl-design-inducing machine isn't a silly plot?

Perhaps someone could post a full list of all the characters and their mutations. That'd be cool, I'd like to put a few names to some of the faces I saw in the movie.

That'd be awesome. Each mutant is interesting in their own right, and I especially seeing some of the awesome comic book drawings of them.

May 4, 2003

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They've kept Cyclops low key because they want to sell Wolverine stuff. That's why Wolverine has a video game coming out. I don't disagree with the fact that Wolverine might take a backseat to Cyclops in the next movie, but I still think Cyclops could have been portrayed a little better. They made him look like a bitch most of the time in the second movie. Jean Grey made it seem like she would have rather have been with Wolverine than Cyclops but she was only with Cyclops because he was a "good boy." My gripe isn't really with his lack of screen time because that's one of the smal things that addup to making him look bad. You can't spen two movies training the audinece to believe that Cyclops is a pansy and a dickhead then expect them to suddenly care about him in the third.

Mrnoitaull · May 4, 2003

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I think it would be cool to have the next movie be of Apocalypse. Shouldnt cost no more than this one did. And because Jean Grey is gone , this would make room for another x-member,say Angel. That way you could feature the birth of archangel,joining with Apac,fighting then joining back with the X-Men,etc. Though it seems alot, I think its possible.

Edited May 4, 2003 by DrTom

May 4, 2003

You should put a spoiler warning or something with your post.

May 4, 2003

Cyclops takes a backseat to Wolverine simply because Wolverine is the most popular out of the entire X-Men. Simple.

May 4, 2003

That could sow the seeds for a good heel turn.

May 4, 2003

Are you taking about Cyclops joining the Brotherhood and either Wolvie or Storm being the leader of the X-Men? That would be sweet.

May 4, 2003

very sweet. I wouldn't mind seeing a big screen throwdown between Wolvie and ol' One Eye.

May 4, 2003

Let's hope it doesn't end up like it did in Age of Apocalypse timeline and Wolverine gets his arm blasted off.

May 4, 2003

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One of the reasons why I have been talking about Cyclops so much is because he's underrated as a character. Right now, his character is more interesting than Wolverine's if you ask me. Think about it for a second.

Wolverine found out about Weapon X and Stryker, but will never find out EVERYTHING. He found out what he needed to know for the most part though.

I care more about the future of Cyclops than the past of Wolverine. Pyro left the X-Men, but he did it silently. I would love to see Magneto get in Cyclops's head. I would also love to see Mystique do it the way she did to Wolverine. Also, the weakness of him having the visor could be a strength. You couldn't see his emotions that well, which would be a strength if he ever turned into a bad guy. The things that they could do with a Cyclops heel turn could be huge. We never got to hear the President make his speech, for all we know, he could have Sentinels ready to go after the X-Men by the next movie. There are alot of angles that they could play up if they did it. Also, how would it impact the X-Men if Cyclops gaveup on their philosophy? Also, him leaving the X-Men would open up a spot for anothercharacter to take his place, like Hank McCoy for example. I think they should do something with Cyclops in the next movie.

May 4, 2003

They should eventually do a Weapon-X movie with Wolverine, Sabertooth, Maverick, Deadpool, Omega Red, etc.

May 4, 2003

They should eventually do a Weapon-X movie with Wolverine, Sabertooth, Maverick, Deadpool, Omega Red, etc.

Why? Because Wolverine is the centerpiece of it all.

May 4, 2003

He's also the centerpeice of the X-Men movies too. That's like saying, "Let's take Superman out of this Superman movie and make a movie that's REALLY CENTERED around him."

While we're talking about the X-Men movie, did anyone else think the League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen trailer looked cool as hell?

May 4, 2003

He's also the centerpeice of the X-Men movies too. That's like saying, "Let's take Superman out of this Superman movie and make a movie that's REALLY CENTERED around him."

The first two, yes, but I have a strong feeling X3 will be centered around Scott.

May 4, 2003

I think that X3 might end up the Scott and Jean movie.

And yes. LXG looks to be of teh rule. Great literary figures coming together to fight evil? I'm f'ing there.

May 4, 2003

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Let me just say that the only reason I advocated the killing of Cyclops and Storm was that I think both of their characters were not portrayed well in the movie. It's true that they only had 2 hours to fill, but Iceman surely got more screen time and uh "power-time" than Cyclops did. They did kind of mess him up though, considering that he couldn't beat Lady Deathstrike, but Wolverine did, although it certainly didn't look easy. I've always liked Cyclops because he was one of the guys that could kill you by looking at you. You can't get more accurate than that

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